Dublin 15 Historic Pictures Thread

beauf

That bus went down porterstown road AFAIK.

Pat Dunne

donaghs wrote: »

anyone got a map of old bus routes? Did the 37 turn at Myo's and go down carpenterstown road ? (i.e. before Laurel Lodge existed).

No, the original 37 was from the Ashtown Roundabout, Navan Rd (Halfway House), turning right at Skreen Road, then left on to Blackhorse Ave, crossing the North Circular Road, onto Aughrim Street and the Manor Streer.
For some reason I have a recollection of a bus terminus in Villa Park Garden, Navan Rd, but I can’t join up the dots just yet. Possibly it could have an earlier 37 Terminus, before been extended to Ashtown, but I’m unsure.
The No.80 turned left at Myos, then right at Castleknock College and followed the Porterstown Rd, through the Sandpits past Porterstown Church, on to the Main Gates at Luttrellstown Castle, then turning right and over the Level Crossing at Clonsilla and stopping at it Terminus at Clonsilla Church Of Ireland, which was also Terminus for the 39A.

beauf

Back then all the villages, Castleknock, blanch, Clonsilla had considerable stretches of farmland between them. It wasn't endless housing estates merging into one another as it is now.

For example When you crossed the tracks at Coolmine you were in the countryside. Nothing but fields.

daymobrew

beauf wrote: »

That bus went down porterstown road AFAIK.

AFAIK Luttrellstown Road is the one that goes past Sandpits.
Poterstown Road goes by LCC.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/53.37267/-6.40655

beauf

daymobrew wrote: »

AFAIK Luttrellstown Road is the one that goes past Sandpits.
Poterstown Road goes by LCC.

I always knew it as Porterstown Road, its also that on Google though that is often wrong. its also given as Porterstown for a lot of addresses for example the Castleknock Hotel website. https://www.castleknockhotel.com/

But looking at maps its seems it should be Luttrellstown Road. I wonder whats porterstown link road (dr troy bridge to clonsilla rd) and whats porterstown road, officially.

daymobrew

beauf wrote: »

But looking at maps its seems it should be Luttrellstown Road. I wonder whats porterstown link road (dr troy bridge to clonsilla rd) and whats porterstown road, officially.

I think that Dr Troy Bridge is Diswellstown Road, the crossroads to Luttrellstown Road is Porterstown Link Road.

beauf

That seems to be what is on http://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9def898f708b47f19a8d8b7088a100c4

Dantonio

This was for the 237 bus, part of the City Imp, local bus service. It was running in the 90s I think.

donaghs wrote: »

Yes, but wasn't there an old bus stop until recently opposite Castleknock College (st. vincent's) on the carpenterstown road. And one near "The Glen" too? Maybe that was for the 80.

ChannelNo5

The 37 originally had its terminus at villa park gardens before it then moved up to ashtown. There was only one Bus on the route that went in and out to town all day. We used to talk to the driver and conductor when they were taking their breaks at villa park.

Rosser

ChannelNo5 wrote: »

The 37 originally had its terminus at villa park gardens before it then moved up to ashtown. There was only one Bus on the route that went in and out to town all day. We used to talk to the driver and conductor when they were taking their breaks at villa park.

Yep the bus driver was Joe and the conductor was Noel, two absolute gentlemen.

ChannelNo5

Rosser wrote: »

Yep the bus driver was Joe and the conductor was Noel, two absolute gentlemen.

God yes you're right I remember now.

dibs101

Anyone know where I might get any photos of Joe Malones coal merchants that used to be over the railway tracks in Coolmine in the 80’s?

Guinness69

https://www.facebook.com/groups/320676788135706/?ref=share

dibs101

Guinness69 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/320676788135706/?ref=share

Thanks.... I’ve actually tried to join that group and heard nothing back!

VonLuck

Odd request, but does anyone have any photos of the old landfills in Dunsink or around the Tolka Valley River? Was surprised to hear that Tolka Valley Park used to be a landfill, especially as a river runs through it.

Pat Dunne

Guinness69 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/320676788135706/?ref=share

Can’t get the link to open in FB.

Jebus Diced

VonLuck wrote: »

Was surprised to hear that Tolka Valley Park used to be a landfill, especially as a river runs through it.

The river was 1km away from the dump on the other side of the road!

Pat Dunne

VonLuck wrote: »

Odd request, but does anyone have any photos of the old landfills in Dunsink or around the Tolka Valley River? Was surprised to hear that Tolka Valley Park used to be a landfill, especially as a river runs through it.

Jebus Diced wrote: »

The river was 1km away from the dump on the other side of the road!

I seem to remember a very large land fill project in the late 60’s or very early 70’s in what is now the Tolka Valley Park, which runs parallel to the Tolka Valley Road (R102) right down to the N2.

miamee

As you are driving the M50 from Finglas to Blanchardstown there is a large hilly area on the left, you'll often see horses in there. That was Dunsink dump.

beauf

miamee wrote: »

As you are driving the M50 from Finglas to Blanchardstown there is a large hilly area on the left, you'll often see horses in there. That was Dunsink dump.

He's not referring to that but a much older one pre 1970s.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/how-green-is-my-tolka-valley-1.1358679

I just assumed those marsh lands were natural never occurred to me they weren't.

Pat Dunne

miamee wrote: »

As you are driving the M50 from Finglas to Blanchardstown there is a large hilly area on the left, you'll often see horses in there. That was Dunsink dump.

Yes that was Dunsink Dump. However, it is the earlier land fill facility, which was known as the Finglas dump and was located in what is now the Tolka Valley Park, which runs parallel to the Tolka Valley Road (R102) right down to the N2.
I posted about earlier.

miamee

I didn't know there were two separate ones. I must be too young to remember :pac:

Pat Dunne

miamee wrote: »

I didn't know there were two separate ones. I must be too young to remember :pac:

Long before Blanchardstown had either Quinnsworth in Roselawn or SuperQuinn behind the Greyhound. We were all bundled into the the family car and “brought” shopping to SuperQuinn in Finglas village and on our way we would see the dump in action.
The Tolka Valley dump resembled something out of a post nuclear disaster movie. Guess that why it stuck in the mind for over 50 years.

VonLuck

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Long before Blanchardstown had either Quinnsworth in Roselawn or SuperQuinn behind the Greyhound. We were all bundled into the the family car and “brought” shopping to SuperQuinn in Finglas village and on our way we would see the dump in action.
The Tolka Valley dump resembled something out of a post nuclear disaster movie. Guess that why it stuck in the mind for over 50 years.

That's why I'd be very curious to see what it looked like! If you walk along the river you can see some rusty water running out of the hill from all the metal still corroding away beneath the ground.

beauf

You might be able to do a foi request to fingal on any environmental reports.

jlang

Talk of dumps reminds me of something the boards historians may be able to help me with. Story goes that they planned to fill Dunsink to local ground level but as it was filling quickly, they redefined full as "ground level plus ten metres" (or something to that effect). This allowed the landfill to receive rubbish for another couple of years until alternatives became available. And this explains why there is now a very noticeable windswept grassy hilltop across the road from the Observatory which was presumably built near the top of the natural hill.

Thing is that while I recall hearing this at the time well enough to confidently say it to others, I didn't find a reference to back myself up (news article or planning ref, etc).

beauf

When I first saw the Dunsink dump it was mostly level with the Observatory and I would say those large diggers where working below the road level in some places. It was a long time ago now though. I think my first memory was of being quite small, and it was like driving down a country lane and was quite hidden. The Mad Max wasteland vista happened over many years.

It seems strange now to look at the M3/M50 and they are basically valleys in places now. But that was all dug out. Its unrecognisable.

Pat Dunne

beauf wrote: »

When I first saw the Dunsink dump it was mostly level with the Observatory and I would say those large diggers where working below the road level in some places. It was a long time ago now though. I think my first memory was of being quite small, and it was like driving down a country lane and was quite hidden. The Mad Max wasteland vista happened over many years.

It seems strange now to look at the M3/M50 and they are basically valleys in places now. But that was all dug out. Its unrecognisable.

The Land fill I referring to is not Dunsink.

beauf

Pat Dunne wrote: »

The Land fill I referring to is not Dunsink.

I was replying to jlang.

You'd have to be 60-70+ to know about the one you're talking about. So I thank you for making me feel slightly younger.

Pat Dunne

beauf wrote: »

I was replying to jlang.

You'd have to be 60-70+ to know about the one you're talking about. So I thank you for making me feel slightly younger.

What that you to do with the price of fish?

Still in my 50’s and loving everyday of it.

Rosser

beauf wrote: »

I was replying to jlang.

You'd have to be 60-70+ to know about the one you're talking about. So I thank you for making me feel slightly younger.

I’m 46 and I remember it well, our neighbour had an allotment up Scribblestown Lane, the ruin of Scribblestown House was still there.

Gaspode

Scribblestown house is still extant isnt it? The owner sells Christmass trees from there most years & has/had a paintball facility there too. Unless there was an older version of the house that predated yhe one there now?

beauf

Rosser wrote: »

I’m 46 and I remember it well, our neighbour had an allotment up Scribblestown Lane, the ruin of Scribblestown House was still there.

Probably my memory failing so. I don't remember it at all, and I was older than you. But I have never had a great memory. Used to be on the River road and Dunsink lane a lot from the end of the 70s onwards. Anything I can find says it was covered in by then. Maybe it wasn't visible from the River Road. But the Wetlands were already established, they haven't changed much in all that time. Maybe its my memory playing tricks. I assume they were close to old dump. Maybe not. I didn't even know there was another dump till someone mentioned it. Even now I can only find two mentions of it online. No photos. Pity. The only time I went up to Scribblestown was to the Aricultural place and the pitch and putt. Haven't been there in years. Didn't know about airsoft/paintball. Wouldn't mind trying that.

I can remember going over a hump back bridge to Dunsink and there were some very like medieval looking ruins beside it. Anyone know what that was. I think it was mentioned on one of the local history books.

Rosser

Gaspode wrote: »

Scribblestown house is still extant isnt it? The owner sells Christmass trees from there most years & has/had a paintball facility there too. Unless there was an older version of the house that predated yhe one there now?

I might be wrong on the name, there was a derelict gate lodge at the gate in to
the allotment and a lime tree avenue, not honestly sure where the house was other than it had burned down at some stage

Bargain_Hound

VonLuck wrote: »

That's why I'd be very curious to see what it looked like! If you walk along the river you can see some rusty water running out of the hill from all the metal still corroding away beneath the ground.

Could you highlight what section of the river this is? Would love to take a look

VonLuck

Bargain_Hound wrote: »

Could you highlight what section of the river this is? Would love to take a look

It's down near the golf course. You can actually see the rust on the footpath on Google Earth:

daymobrew

VonLuck wrote: »

It's down near the golf course. You can actually see the rust on the footpath on Google Earth:

I was unsure where you meant but I found it on Google Maps

beauf

I would have assumed it was between scribblestown lane and the river road since thats wetlands and the neighboring estate is referenced in old articles about it.

Did it really extend as far as Tolka Park Golf course? I used the river road a lot very late 70's and early 80's. I have no memory of this dump.

VonLuck

I got sucked into looking at old photos of the area and the best I could get was the construction of the Ratoath Road bridge over the Tolka. You can see the mound in the background has been freshly built up.

beauf

Found this...

https://www.facebook.com/GlasnevinHeritage/photos/finglasremember-the-finglas-dump-you-could-dump-yer-granny-and-nobodyd-bat-an-ey/539008529583152

https://digital.ucd.ie/view/ucdlib:47337

https://digital.ucd.ie/view/ucdlib:47337

VonLuck

beauf wrote: »

Found this...

https://www.facebook.com/GlasnevinHeritage/photos/finglasremember-the-finglas-dump-you-could-dump-yer-granny-and-nobodyd-bat-an-ey/539008529583152

https://digital.ucd.ie/view/ucdlib:47337

https://digital.ucd.ie/view/ucdlib:47337

I believe that's the Dunsink dump based on the position of the church in the background. Very interesting. Still no luck in finding photos of the one along Tolka Valley - the aerial shot you've posted seems to be just on the verge and is around the time it would have closed.

I found another shot of the Tolka River from 1986 along the Ballyboggan Road. Doesn't really help, but it's an interesting shot nonetheless, especially the old Cardiff's Bridge.

beauf

Seems to have lost the original one I posted.

https://digital.ucd.ie/view/ucdlib:47341

These are 73/74 and written media reports say it was closed late 70's. I wonder how accurate these dates are, both on the photos and the media reporting.

ozmo

Clonsilla Village - taken by me in 1997 - shows the Thatch cottage that's gone now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0iSIQ37-3Q

Pat Dunne

ozmo wrote: »

Clonsilla Village - taken by me in 1997 - shows the Thatch cottage that's gone now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0iSIQ37-3Q

Such a pity that Lohunda Lodge has become rather exclusive and removed from the Community of Clonsilla.

Polar101

ozmo wrote: »

Clonsilla Village - taken by me in 1997 - shows the Thatch cottage that's gone now.

I hadn't realised the "Pharmacy/Chinese" building is so new.

Brock Turnpike

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Such a pity that Lohunda Lodge has become rather exclusive and removed from the Community of Clonsilla.

What is Lohunda Lodge used for now?

ozmo

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

What is Lohunda Lodge used for now?

Its used a lot when we are not in lockdowns.
Mostly AA meetings - sometimes I can hear Band practice when I walk by.
Was used recently for weightwatchers and some some Gospel choir meetings.

Brock Turnpike

ozmo wrote: »

Its used a lot when we are not in lockdowns.
Mostly AA meetings - sometimes I can hear Band practice when I walk by.
Was used recently for weightwatchers and some some Gospel choir meetings.

Ah right. It hasn't changed much in recent years so? It's been like that for a good 20 years or so as I know people who used it for some of those purposes back then.

Pat Dunne

ozmo wrote: »

Its used a lot when we are not in lockdowns.
Mostly AA meetings - sometimes I can hear Band practice when I walk by.
Was used recently for weightwatchers and some some Gospel choir meetings.

It appears to be exclusively used by AA and the rest of the time it’s locked up.
It’s a great pity, because with a little imagination it could become a thriving Community Cafe and Garden with the additional green space to the rear been used.

Jebus Diced

I know this is a pictures thread but here's an article I seen on RTE news about James Connolly hospital with a video from 1998...

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2023/0617/1388985-blanchardstown-hospital-investment/