6th of november March (Union's ?)

Sully

At it now, just watching it begin!

alpha2zulu

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by! They could have easily had a bit of courtesy and moved in to let the traffic past and marched down O connell Street rather than Bridge St and the Quay,but such is life.

After Jack O Connors performance on Frontline with Pat Kenny during the week and reading the ICTU 10 Point "plan" I sleep a lot easier knowing its Lenihan in charge of the purse strings even with all his faults personally speaking:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x3sr4cCXE

Cabaal

shapez wrote: »

And what about the ones who do work hard, go beyond the call of duty and are never recognised for their achievements in what they specialize in?

What I've seen is the people you speak about get into positions in their workplace that they shouldn't have gotten in the first place. And when management discovers this they can't move them and what happens, Another job is created out of thin air to clean up the mess!!

You've backed up my point even more
Its clear the public sector needs reform but the problem is that even if you find the useless people and want to lay them off the unions will likely strike anyway! :eek:

In fairness I've even come across one situation where a public sector worker couldn't be fired but they could stop her working with the public so she came into work and did nothing each day and got paid....thats insane and wouldn't happen in the private sector.

Cabaal

alpha2zulu wrote: »

After Jack O Connors performance on Frontline with Pat Kenny during the week and reading the ICTU 10 Point "plan" I sleep a lot easier knowing its Lenihan in charge of the purse strings even with all his faults personally speaking:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x3sr4cCXE

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

alpha2zulu

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

I know he originally started as a Binman for one of the Dublin boroughs, not sure what Economics experience he found there unless managing his 127k salary has given him a few pointers

I know its great to imagine that the country can be saved without any pain but anybody with a bit of cop on will realise their figures are total nonsense and plenty are seeing through their drivel.

well butty

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm curious to know just what are Jack O Connors qualifications for knowing how to save the world...sorry I mean Ireland

He left school at 15, worked as a bin man, became the Union Representative and then the leader of SIPTU in 2003. All the left-wing experience to run a modern economy!!

RockPaper

alpha2zulu wrote: »

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by!

Well I was marching today and there was definitely more than a couple of hundred people taking part. I saw banners from SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses, and signs from Clonmel, Kilkenny and Wexford-not just the 'usual suspects'.

well butty

RockPaper wrote: »

alpha2zulu wrote: »

Passed by in the car at 230, only 200-300 there max at the Glen-just the usual suspects if the banners are anything to go by!

Well I was marching today and there was definitely more than a couple of hundred people taking part. I saw banners from SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses, and signs from Clonmel, Kilkenny and Wexford-not just the 'usual suspects'.

They all looked the same to me - bloated civil servants. They could do with the walk anyway!!:):)

Cabaal

well butty wrote: »

He left school at 15, worked as a bin man, became the Union Representative and then the leader of SIPTU in 2003. All the left-wing experience to run a modern economy!!

So its come to this a binman thinks he knows better then people working for the minister for finance who have numerous degrees in business and god knows what else (yes lads its not just the minister that wakes up in the morning and decides to cut taxes). Lets not forgot numerous other agency's within the EU and beyond.

Sure I guess the binman knows better :rolleyes:

alpha2zulu

SIPTU, IMPACT, Unite, TEEU, TUI, CWU, Public Sector unions, Fire Service, Nurses

Bit of a theme going on there...


Real pity there is no 'Public sector STFU and get back to work and feel the pinch now like everybody else rather than loading national debt on to the next generation for the sake of your cosy salary and pension package' protest march.

I'd definetly love to be at the head of that one.

well butty

It was funny really to see the obviously middle class, well paid civil servants getting cozy with the diehard socialists in order to try and bolster their campaign. Sick really...

The_Thing

So its come to this a binman thinks he knows better then people working for the minister for finance who have numerous degrees in business and god knows what else (yes lads its not just the minister that wakes up in the morning and decides to cut taxes). Lets not forgot numerous other agency's within the EU and beyond.

Sure I guess the binman knows better

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist

Brian Cowen is a solicitor. He has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Cowen says NAMA is the only option available.

Brian Lenihan is a barrister. He also has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Lenihan says NAMA is the only option available.

Neither of these men would get on the short list to run a mid-sized European city.

Joseph Stiglitz is a professor of economics at Columbia University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 and is a former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank.

Joseph Stiglitz thinks NAMA is a crime.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

alpha2zulu

The_Thing wrote: »

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist


Joseph Stiglitz is a professor of economics at Columbia University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 and is a former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank.

Joseph Stiglitz thinks NAMA is a crime.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

Who do i beleive...not Mr. Binman for starters.;)
While Lenihan may be no economist, you are forgetting that he has a huge staff at his disposal inluding many economists so I don't see where your going with that one.

As for the nobel committee, they have showed themselves this year to be well left of centre with awarding Obama the peace prize 9 months into his tenure, purely as a smack in the face to Bush.

Cabaal

The_Thing wrote: »

NAMA Is Criminal, Says Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Winning Economist

Brian Cowen is a solicitor. He has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Cowen says NAMA is the only option available.

Brian Lenihan is a barrister. He also has no training or qualifications in economics, yet Brian Lenihan says NAMA is the only option available.

Now let me ask you something — who do you believe?

sigh,
You missed my point, the people working for Lenihan have numerous qualifications in economics and business, its not just Lenihan deciding what he's doing.

Same goes for Cowen,

This is fact,

deise blue

RTE reported 8,000 people marched yesterday , organisers reported 10,000 a figure TV3 agreed with.
I thought somewhere closer to 10,000 myself.
The biggest pro rata turnout in the country.
Great to see.

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

RTE reported 8,000 people marched yesterday , organisers reported 10,000 a figure TV3 agreed with.
I thought somewhere closer to 10,000 myself.
The biggest pro rata turnout in the country.
Great to see.

I think you need to stay off the booze or adjust the glasses. I saw the entire parade yesterday and there was a maximum of 3000 people there. However, it is in the interest of the Unions to pump it up.

deise blue

well butty wrote: »

I think you need to stay off the booze or adjust the glasses. I saw the entire parade yesterday and there was a maximum of 3000 people there. However, it is in the interest of the Unions to pump it up.

And of course it's in the interests of anti trade unionists to play down the figures.
Independent estimates ( Rte and the Gardai ) estimated the crowd as being 8,000 whereas the Unions claim 10,000.
As a marcher myself the 10,000 figure seem closer to the truth !

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

And of course it's in the interests of anti trade unionists to play down the figures.
Independent estimates ( Rte and the Gardai ) estimated the crowd as being 8,000 whereas the Unions claim 10,000.
As a marcher myself the 10,000 figure seem closer to the truth !

RTE and the Gardi - independent. Are you for real? Both public sector and both unionised! Stop will you, as you are making a mockery of the whole thing!!!

deise blue

well butty wrote: »

RTE and the Gardi - independent. Are you for real? Both public sector and both unionised! Stop will you, as you are making a mockery of the whole thing!!!

Have to correct you.
Gardai are not permitted to join a Trade Union !
Even the Independent gave the figure as 8,000 and they are the biggest anti union paper in Ireland.

nkay1985

deise blue wrote: »

Have to correct you.
Gardai are not permitted to join a Trade Union !
Even the Independent gave the figure as 8,000 and they are the biggest anti union paper in Ireland.

But they have the 24-7 allliance for a representative body. And the point that he was obviously making is that the Gardai hold a stake in this debate and so it would be in their benefit to report turnout as higher than it actually was.

I'm not saying that happened by the way. I wasn't at the march so can't say either way. Just that you tried to pick apart someone's argument on a little technicailty in their post while ignoring the main thrust of it.

soldering iron

nkay1985 wrote: »

But they have the 24-7 allliance for a representative body. And the point that he was obviously making is that the Gardai hold a stake in this debate and so it would be in their benefit to report turnout as higher than it actually was.

I'm not saying that happened by the way. I wasn't at the march so can't say either way. Just that you tried to pick apart someone's argument on a little technicailty in their post while ignoring the main thrust of it.

You did not attend This Union march, well!, well, there's one for the books.

Like all the other time's that unions called for Protest marchs there is nothing going to come out of it.For the ordinary worker

Mickdots

thought john halligan came across really well, no bull**** but straight to the point!! after that it was typical union ****e

deise blue

Waterford Today gives the total who marched at 9,000.

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

Waterford Today gives the total who marched at 9,000.

Sensationalist to say the least. Waterford Today are only playing follow my lead from the objective Garda figures.

The_Thing

sigh,
You missed my point, the people working for Lenihan have numerous qualifications in economics and business, its not just Lenihan deciding what he's doing.

Same goes for Cowen,

This is fact,

Are these the same so-called experts who have advised Lenihan not to close the tax loop-hole which allows the Golden Circle of Anglo Irish Bank share holders to claim tax relief on their losses after the Irish tax payer having bailed them out?

soldering iron is correct - a protest march gets us nowhere. What we need is a week long nationwide strike to make them take us seriously.

Cabaal

The_Thing wrote: »

soldering iron is correct - a protest march gets us nowhere. What we need is a week long nationwide strike to make them take us seriously.

Yep that's one sure way of making companys close up shop, I know I would if I was operating in Ireland...in fairness who can blame them eh?

Reality doesn't exist in a number of people's worlds here I guess....

deise blue

well butty wrote: »

Sensationalist to say the least. Waterford Today are only playing follow my lead from the objective Garda figures.

Estimated figures to date :
An Gardai,the Indo and RTE - 8,000
TV3 and the Unions - 10,000
Waterford Today - 9,000
Me - a marcher 10,000
Well Butty - disinterested observer - 3,000
Spot the odd one out !

Cabaal

deise blue wrote: »

Estimated figures to date :
An Gardai,the Indo and RTE - 8,000
TV3 and the Unions - 10,000
Waterford Today - 9,000
Me - a marcher 10,000
Well Butty - disinterested observer - 3,000
Spot the odd one out !

deise blue/unions - individuals who want to big up their campaign, so if we take an average how about we settle on 8,500

deise blue

Cabaal wrote: »

deise blue/unions - individuals who want to big up their campaign, so if we take an average how about we settle on 8,500

Another one who is apparently in denial !
As I say the highest pro rata turnout in the country , a tribute to the people of Waterford who clearly demonstrated their opposition to Government cuts and who clearly see that there is a fairer way to proceed rather than cutting pay , social welfare and children's benefit.
There are always people are quite happy to disbelieve all available evidence of the large numbers involved as it does not suit their personal agenda.
Let's cheer you up - we'll settle on 50 !

well butty

deise blue wrote: »

Another one who is apparently in denial !
As I say the highest pro rata turnout in the country , a tribute to the people of Waterford who clearly demonstrated their opposition to Government cuts and who clearly see that there is a fairer way to proceed rather than cutting pay , social welfare and children's benefit.
There are always people are quite happy to disbelieve all available evidence of the large numbers involved as it does not suit their personal agenda.
Let's cheer you up - we'll settle on 50 !

You really are delusional!:)

And another point that annoyed me. We had representatives from outside our City from Kilkenny. A nice move by Kilkenny not to dirty their own door step. When everything turns around (and it will) the Country and companies who want to invest in Ireland will remember the militant unions in Waterford (not Kilkenny). How foolish was that!!