100Mb NTL

weeder

Lads, a lad i know is claiming that NTL are upgrading his 20Mb line to 100Mb after christmas free of charge and that he heard from an "inside source" so I immidiately call bull**** but I was just wondering are these plans actually in place?as i just laughed at him

Spear

weeder wrote: »

Lads, a lad i know is claiming that NTL are upgrading his 20Mb line to 100Mb after christmas free of charge and that he heard from an "inside source" so I immidiately call bull**** but I was just wondering are these plans actually in place?as i just laughed at him

UPC alreadly provide 120meg in the Netherlands, Poland and Slovakia. The more usually quoted timeframe is the Summer.

mehmeh12

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

Does your friend know if they will be upgrading the chorus 10mb broadband express package?

DingDong

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

Does your friend know if they will be upgrading the chorus 10mb broadband express package?

The same was said about the chances of having 20Mb BB in Ireland and surprise surprise that's here. Virgin media's network(it was NTL at one point) is pretty much the same as UPC's its HFC(Hybrid fibre-coax). With the introduction of docsis 3 its possible to have a big jumps in speed Link.

Sponge Bob

It would be much too strong to say it was BS .

It is actually 120mbits and is promised by end April 2010 .

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/12855/

UPC are not known for promising a speed bump and failing to deliver . If they said they would do something before, then they did it.

It may be that areas upgraded post 2010 will get it and that retrofits will be slow but I am sure SOMEBODY will be able to get it in Ireland next year

game4it70

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

smur89

dont know much about NTL promising 100mb Broadband. But i do know that they are running a trial in one area (cant remember off hand where.. maybe Wyattville) where the upgrade will be "Deep Fibre".. which basically means instead of the Fibre / coax mix they upgrade with now. Itll be a fibre ring around the area (as it is currently) and then coax cable going along most houses (some carry the fibre route)... and then a coax cable from this feeding into your house (Drop cable).

The new way will be the same, only the drop cable will also be fibre.

Its just a trial, but if successful will be rolled out in all the upgrade areas.

Dont know how relevant this is!

Sponge Bob

You are confusing me smur , is that trial Fibre to c. 'the street' ( as is done now now) then coax to the house then fibre INTO the house .....or is it Fibre everywhere and no co ax at all ??

DingDong

smur89 has it slightly wrong it called fibre deep. Basically its the removal of all RF amplifiers and replacing them with optical nodes. The drops and distribution remain coax. It has no relevance to UPC move to over 100Mb BB. The current rebuild has been design with docsis 3 in mind so no re-rebuild will be required Sponge Bob.

smur89

..my bad!

GigaByte

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

Well then you'll be very happy with the 100mb, you should have no problem getting your 20mb's then. Just because you have access to 100mb's doesn't mean you need to use it all, at least its there if you need it.

game4it70 wrote: »

I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

The amount of times this stupid question gets asked. :rolleyes:

dogpile

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

Spear

dogpile wrote: »

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

The complaints are likely to be about how they throttle all non-HTTP traffic down to a mere 40 meg during peak hours.

GigaByte

dogpile wrote: »

Get ready for reading complaints about the lousy 70mb speeds people are getting....coming to a broadband forum very close to you soon

Ubernewb (from the future) wrote:

UPC are a bunch of tossers!! I pay for 100mb and can only get 70mb sometimes I get 90mb on a good day. Word on the grapevine is they're going to be upgrading to 500mb. Whats the point do people really need that? Even 3DTube's super HD 3D hologram porn clips only need 350MB, pffft!

Chris_533976

Roll on the super HD 3D hologram porn clips

game4it70

Jebus all i said was i wanted something near the service i pay for.I dont want 100mb.Yes i do download large files but i do that overnight so being a gamer i just want a steady connection without erratic pings.I dont see how 100mb will make my gaming a better experience.
And excuse me if i complain that i get 2-4megs some nights and 100+ pings to uk servers on a 20mb connection but i may just be picky:P

WillieFlynn

game4it70 wrote: »

I would just be happy if the provided near to the 20mb service i pay for with no massive drop in speeds at night and no erratic pings.
I mean how many peeps actually need 100mb?

At work I normally get at least 30Mb during term (100Mb out of term) and up to 250Mb off-peak to my desk.

As to whether anyone would need it at home, most of the time no, but if you have it you get a much better overall internet experience. It is a bit like disk space you can never have enough, your usage will always find a way of expanding to use whatever is there (and more).

Examples where I would find it very useful is when I am running remote backups and few people running graphic intensive applications on a remote desktops from work and would also like to be able to do downloads / software updates / stream TV all at the same time.

The main advantage for me is that I could work from home some days and have nearly the same experience as in front of my computer at work..

game4it70

WillieFlynn wrote: »

At work I normally get at least 30Mb during term (100Mb out of term) and up to 250Mb off-peak to my desk.

As to whether anyone would need it at home, most of the time no, but if you have it you get a much better overall internet experience. It is a bit like disk space you can never have enough, your usage will always find a way of expanding to use whatever is there (and more).

Examples where I would find it very useful is when I am running remote backups and few people running graphic intensive applications on a remote desktops from work and would also like to be able to do downloads / software updates / stream TV all at the same time.

The main advantage for me is that I could work from home some days and have nearly the same experience as in front of my computer at work..

Thats a good example of where it would be of use to some people.
Would they not be better off putting the resources into making the existing service more stable as this i would have thought would suit alot of people more?

Blackdragon

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Roll on the super HD 3D hologram porn clips

Will i need a new Modem?

bk

game4it70 wrote: »

Jebus all i said was i wanted something near the service i pay for.I dont want 100mb.Yes i do download large files but i do that overnight so being a gamer i just want a steady connection without erratic pings.I dont see how 100mb will make my gaming a better experience.
And excuse me if i complain that i get 2-4megs some nights and 100+ pings to uk servers on a 20mb connection but i may just be picky:P

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?

game4it70 wrote: »

Would they not be better off putting the resources into making the existing service more stable as this i would have thought would suit alot of people more?

No, moving to DOCSIS 3 will greatly improve the service, even for those who stick with just a 20mb/s connection.

See at the moment DOCSIS 1 and 2 only use one channel (downstream), which is shared with your neighbours, when they move to DOCSIS 3 it will then use 4 channels rather then just 1.

That means you and your neighbours will have 4 times as much bandwidth to share, which means you will be much more likely to get closer to 20mb/s.

BTW I don't think they'll upgrade 20mb/s to 100mb/s, going by what they currently offer in the Netherlands, I guess they will upgrade 20mb/s to 60mb/s, while 90mb/s and 120mb/s will be new, higher priced products. See here:

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

game4it70

bk wrote: »

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?

Oh i do as its amazing how even a small upload can effect gaming.
Good to hear the upgrades will help the service so.
Thanks for the info.

Fingleberries

bk wrote: »

Don't game and do big downloads at the same time. Big downloads will always interfere with the quality of the gaming, this is true of all Broadband services, not just cable.

At least throttle back your download and upload speed. Also why not just set your downloads to run during off-peak times?



No, moving to DOCSIS 3 will greatly improve the service, even for those who stick with just a 20mb/s connection.

See at the moment DOCSIS 1 and 2 only use one channel (downstream), which is shared with your neighbours, when they move to DOCSIS 3 it will then use 4 channels rather then just 1.

That means you and your neighbours will have 4 times as much bandwidth to share, which means you will be much more likely to get closer to 20mb/s.

BTW I don't think they'll upgrade 20mb/s to 100mb/s, going by what they currently offer in the Netherlands, I guess they will upgrade 20mb/s to 60mb/s, while 90mb/s and 120mb/s will be new, higher priced products. See here:

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

Will they be freeing up some space on the cable by ending Analogue TV packages that use the same pipe at the moment?

Or is this simply a change from DOCSIS 2 to 3 resulting in better performance?

bk

Fingleberries wrote: »

Will they be freeing up some space on the cable by ending Analogue TV packages that use the same pipe at the moment?

Or is this simply a change from DOCSIS 2 to 3 resulting in better performance?

I don't know for a fact, as I don't work for UPC, however my understanding is that UPC have been upgrading the quality of the cable throughout the network. That means the cables can carry far more bandwidth then in the past, which means they should be able to add the 3 additional channels needed for EuroDOCSIS 3 without needing to discontinue the analogue TV service.

Switching from DOCSIS 1/2 to 3 means you go from using the equivalent bandwidth of 1 analogue TV channel to the equivalent of 4 analogue TV channels, which gives you much more bandwidth.

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if UPC drop the anaolgue TV service at some stage to make room for more digital channels, HD channels and BB. However it would be risky for UPC, as it is a major selling point for UPC and they could end up losing lots of customers to Sky.

rom

bk wrote: »

I don't know for a fact, as I don't work for UPC, however my understanding is that UPC have been upgrading the quality of the cable throughout the network. That means the cables can carry far more bandwidth then in the past, which means they should be able to add the 3 additional channels needed for EuroDOCSIS 3 without needing to discontinue the analogue TV service.

Switching from DOCSIS 1/2 to 3 means you go from using the equivalent bandwidth of 1 analogue TV channel to the equivalent of 4 analogue TV channels, which gives you much more bandwidth.

BTW I wouldn't be surprised if UPC drop the anaolgue TV service at some stage to make room for more digital channels, HD channels and BB. However it would be risky for UPC, as it is a major selling point for UPC and they could end up losing lots of customers to Sky.

Is there still an analogue tv service ? Didn't know that.

Well they have moved to N3 with all digital channels i all i know. An installer was out replacing my modem yesterday and told me that they are indeed offering 100Mbit in the new year and they have invested 90M Euro to do this. As a mere hobbyist the Motorola modems that they used to use are capable of a 155Mbit downstream.

Hopefully they will increase the upstream in the same magnitude.

bk

rom wrote: »

Is there still an analogue tv service ? Didn't know that.

Well they have moved to N3 with all digital channels i all i know. An installer was out replacing my modem yesterday and told me that they are indeed offering 100Mbit in the new year and they have invested 90M Euro to do this. As a mere hobbyist the Motorola modems that they used to use are capable of a 155Mbit downstream.

Hopefully they will increase the upstream in the same magnitude.

Yes, anaolgue TV service is still available outside Cork, handy for kitchen TV's, etc.

What is the model of the modem, both your new one and the old one?

Sponge Bob

Did they not have enough spectrum for it on the cable in Cork bk ???

Freddie59

mehmeh12 wrote: »

Sounds like grade A BS alright..a 100 mb cable connection in Ireland of all places..granted i do know somebody in belfast who has 50mb fibre optic with virgin media but thats technically part of Britain.

1. Why is it BS? According to who, exactly?:rolleyes:

2. That 50Mb connection in Belfast is not pure FTTH. It's HFC - just like UPC's network.:P

bk

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Did they not have enough spectrum for it on the cable in Cork bk ???

Cork analogue TV under Cork Multichannel had always been scrambled, you needed those awful "Black boxes" to descramble the analogue TV channels.

So when UPC took over, they simply replaced the descrambler boxes with digital TV boxes and completely switched off the old analogue TV service. I guess they figured most people in Cork never even knew you could get unscrambled analogue, so what you don't know, you won't miss.

smur89

120mb broadband coming this year. We haven't been told when yet, but soon I assume.

... Also getting video on demand to digital tv and a few new channels

M.J.M.C

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/12855/

mehmeh12

Presuming chorus does actually get this done by the end of the year what kind of price structure will they have?