100Mb NTL

shinfujiwara

I'm very curious to know not only how much the 100mbps plan will cost (probably €80) but how much will the 30/80mbps plans cost. Because I find 80 euros a very large amount of money to pay just for internet connection, and you'd still need to pay that €7.75 with it. It doesn't attract me too much.

If we take Netherlands, there is a big difference in the price between their 120mb/s and 90mb/s. I would most definitely buy the second one. So, I'm hoping for a well priced 60-80mb/s plan for Ireland. It'd be great.

http://www.upc.nl/internet/

nani17

Isn't Netherlands more expensive then Ireland

shinfujiwara

nani17 wrote: »

Isn't Netherlands more expensive then Ireland

About broadband? They're way ahead of Ireland.

As far as I know you can get high speed FTTH (fiber-to-the-home) in different places in there. While in Ireland just a very few lucky Magnet costumers can get it, whit "only" 50mbps/50mbps bandwidth.

And they've been getting this 120mb/s from UPC for a long time now.

sk1

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

Dub24. Random phone call

hi, the phone nr did not start with 042.. ?

anyway, can you post some speedtest results, if it really costs 80eur/month it´s a decision which need to be backed by performance, hope they have no 1 year minimum contract on this as well...

i have the 30mbit now and i´m getting 3.51mb/s max which is ok for my needs (at the moment)

dub45

colinod0806 wrote: »

@ dub45

its not that i disagree with anything you are saying but i dont see what you think you are going to achieve by banging on about it on boards.
all you are doing is making threads go of topic into the same argument.
ps: using the term "fanboy" makes you sound a tool;)

I can assure you that I am only too conscious of banging on about it but thats the point of banging on. Unless the topic is raised regularly the likes of UPC and others who use the term "unlimited" to deliberately deceive people will not do anything to change their approach - at least Vodafone seem to be recognising peoples' concerns about this in their forum. And besides many people read the posts here so hopefully it makes those people aware of the issue too.

It is also noticeable that the UPC spokesperson is conspicuous by his/her absence in the debate.

As regards the the term "fanboy" I don't particularly like it either but how else do you describe somebody who blindly defends UPC no matter what the issue is?

dub45

Freddie59 wrote: »

Just like Eircom!;):D

And as I am forever pointing out two wrongs don't make it right:rolleyes:

Freddie59

dub45 wrote: »

As regards the the term "fanboy" I don't particularly like it either but how else do you describe somebody who blindly defends UPC no matter what the issue is?

Similar to those who defend Eircom I suppose.;)

lucernarian

Freddie59 wrote: »

Similar to those who defend Eircom I suppose.;)

To be fair to Dub45, there have been times where he/she struck me as an eircom apologist, particularly by his absense on threads that were critical of eircom. But I have seen posts which have rounded on eircom too when they deserved it. So I think he's a pretty balanced poster who has positively contributed many times on this forum.

The issue of caps and fair usage policies are central to a very high speed internet service, as the cap becomes more of a limiting factor on internet usage, for all intents and purposes. It's reasonably easy to manage over 50GB in a day on a good high-end UPC connection. Dishonesty about how you can use an internet connection should never be condoned, and UPC's "unlimited" marketing is factually incorrect.

shinfujiwara

The current cap of theirs (250GB/month) would limit you to just a little over 8GB per day. And that's very low for a 30mb/s connection. Not even NEAR of "unlimited".

Not low just for illegal downloading, no... totally normal and legal things would already blow it up easily. If you download two PS3 demos you may already have downloaded half of your daily cap, 4gb.

Then you are about too sleep, want to watch an HD movie with your lady. OK, you start streaming one and BANG... You're a "baaaad user" now! You dirty little "bandwidth hog"! You're a goddamn unfair user! How do you live with yourself, hum?! You couldn't just wait to watch that movie tomorrow, could you!? Shame on you...

As you can see, that's very little. Unlimited it's not just a lie, but something that can come to haunt you later. You sign up for it, it says unlimited, you are happy downloading games and movies or whatever... Then you get **cked without even know what's wrong!

Monthly cap is just BS! Many don't do it... even in Ireland there is some. Magnet don't do it, why can't a big company do the same? If you want to put a "Fair Usage" thing in your unlimited service, it should be something waaay over the normal usage.

For example, if the guy is using P2P 24/7 like a server/host connection! Imagine that, all the time, with a 100mbps/10mbps plan. Well, this guy's traffic last month could have been something over 35tb!!! Yes, I'm serious, do the math!

sk1

that´s nonsense, bit torrent is limited to 100kb upload regardless if you have set a upload limit >100 or not, so the actual usage is much lower than your fantasy 35tb,

100kb*60sec*60min*24h*30days = 25920000 kb which is /1024 = 253125 MB/1024 = 247.192 GB

i download a lot and i barely reach a average of 1-2gb/day so there is only a handful users who really max out the unlimited limit of 250gb beside this i don´t have the hdd capacity to store all this stuff.

i know ppl who have the 30mbit as well and do just online banking and youtube, facebook, myspace and stuff like this so what they don´t use other ppl can use, thats probably an explanation why upc/ntl is not going after you if you are over the limit.

paulm17781

sk1 wrote: »

that´s nonsense, bit torrent is limited to 100kb upload regardless if you have set a upload limit >100 or not, so the actual usage is much lower than your fantasy 35tb,

There are other clients than Bit torrent. I was uploading at 247kbps earlier.

Thor

sk1 wrote: »

that´s nonsense, bit torrent is limited to 100kb upload regardless if you have set a upload limit >100 or not, so the actual usage is much lower than your fantasy 35tb,

100kb*60sec*60min*24h*30days = 25920000 kb which is /1024 = 253125 MB/1024 = 247.192 GB

i download a lot and i barely reach a average of 1-2gb/day so there is only a handful users who really max out the unlimited limit of 250gb beside this i don´t have the hdd capacity to store all this stuff.

i know ppl who have the 30mbit as well and do just online banking and youtube, facebook, myspace and stuff like this so what they don´t use other ppl can use, thats probably an explanation why upc/ntl is not going after you if you are over the limit.

Don't know where you got that whole 100kb limit, Torrent applications only limits the upload to whatever you set it as.

Can't understand why someone would pay for a 30mb line and not use it for speed. They could save loads of money on a 5mb connection.

On a 30mb line it takes 1 hour to download like 12gbs.

So in 1 day you could download 288gb!

Thats just 1 day of non stop usage. Now i'm not saying that is even done by anyone, The fact is that upc state its unlimited and its clearly not, Anyone who thinks thats fair is an idiot in my books.

rolion

sorry...for being offtopic !
if i want to order 120m as a business account,how does that works ?

hightower1

shinfujiwara wrote: »

If you download two PS3 demos you may already have downloaded half of your daily cap, 4gb.

Ah come one man, I am an avid gamer and 2 demos a day!!! Are you serious! Thats 60 demos a month! You'd download a demo for every single ps3 game in 4 months at that rate. Thats just ridiculous. Consider there are only approx 6 main title releases a month. I download maybe one or two a month tbh and same with my friends. I downloaded the force unleashed demo the night it became avail and thats a full on AAA title = 1 gb demo.

There is no realistic way you could let alone would download 2 of these mythically large demos per day.

vibe666

sk1 wrote: »

that´s nonsense, bit torrent is limited to 100kb upload regardless if you have set a upload limit >100 or not, so the actual usage is much lower than your fantasy 35tb,

you're doing it wrong. :rolleyes:

if you're going to rant, please do your best to make sure you're right before you start.

you can set any BT client to whatever upload you like and as long as you have the bandwidth and there is the demand for the torrent from other users, your client will do as it's told.

if yours isn't then you need to check your configuration, or change your client.

paulm17781

hightower1 wrote: »

Ah come one man, I am an avid gamer and 2 demos a day!!! Are you serious! Thats 60 demos a month! You'd download a demo for every single ps3 game in 4 months at that rate. Thats just ridiculous. Consider there are only approx 6 main title releases a month. I download maybe one or two a month tbh and same with my friends. I downloaded the force unleashed demo the night it became avail and thats a full on AAA title = 1 gb demo.

There is no realistic way you could let alone would download 2 of these mythically large demos per day.

I know people who buy games from Steam every day, presumably they also download demos on XBLA & PSN too. Are you implying that since you don't do it no one possibly can?

shinfujiwara

hightower1 wrote: »

Ah come one man, I am an avid gamer and 2 demos a day!!! Are you serious! Thats 60 demos a month! You'd download a demo for every single ps3 game in 4 months at that rate. Thats just ridiculous. Consider there are only approx 6 main title releases a month. I download maybe one or two a month tbh and same with my friends. I downloaded the force unleashed demo the night it became avail and thats a full on AAA title = 1 gb demo.

There is no realistic way you could let alone would download 2 of these mythically large demos per day.

I know that, dude. I'm an avid gamer too and I don't download two demos every day. I'm just making a point. With 2 simple things in regular day (downloading demos and watching a movie) you already blow up the cap.

I didn't even consider lots of web surfing, Youtube HD videos, Vimeo HD videos, softwares downloading, high res photos being loaded all the time, uploading stuff like videos/photos, updating OS, updating software, updating games, etc. etc. etc. You see my point, right?

It's a VERY low cap and yet they use the word UNLIMITED?! Even if it was 1TB the word "unlimited" still wouldn't be right... But it would have a whole different meaning, don't you agree?

shinfujiwara

sk1 wrote: »

that´s nonsense, bit torrent is limited to 100kb upload regardless if you have set a upload limit >100 or not, so the actual usage is much lower than your fantasy 35tb,

100kb*60sec*60min*24h*30days = 25920000 kb which is /1024 = 253125 MB/1024 = 247.192 GB

i download a lot and i barely reach a average of 1-2gb/day so there is only a handful users who really max out the unlimited limit of 250gb beside this i don´t have the hdd capacity to store all this stuff.

i know ppl who have the 30mbit as well and do just online banking and youtube, facebook, myspace and stuff like this so what they don´t use other ppl can use, thats probably an explanation why upc/ntl is not going after you if you are over the limit.

I know a guy with 1Gbit of download and upload in Japan. He uploads terabytes per month, every month. He's contributing with his upload speed in an "Anime Tracker".

There is no limit in the upload speed, my math was completely right. That could be totally possible in Ireland if we had 100/10mbit connection. But the major companies wouldn't let us do it with their stupid limitation. It's called "unlimited limitation". XD

hightower1

hightower1 wrote: »

Ah come one man, I am an avid gamer and 2 demos a day!!! Are you serious! Thats 60 demos a month! You'd download a demo for every single ps3 game in 4 months at that rate. Thats just ridiculous. Consider there are only approx 6 main title releases a month. I download maybe one or two a month tbh and same with my friends. I downloaded the force unleashed demo the night it became avail and thats a full on AAA title = 1 gb demo.

There is no realistic way you could let alone would download 2 of these mythically large demos per day.

What's ridiculus is your petty assumptions about how people use (and should use) their internet connection.
:rolleyes:

vibe666

RVP 11 wrote: »

What's ridiculus is your petty assumptions about how people use (and should use) their internet connection. :rolleyes:

it's always been his only argument and its getting very tired which is partly why he's the one and only poster who managed to make it onto my ignore list.

unfortunately, i still have to see his posts quoted in other peoples posts so it's far from a perfect solution, although with time and a little bit of luck more and more people will add him to their ignore lists and eventually he'll just go away.

jor el

vibe666 wrote: »

unfortunately, i still have to see his posts quoted in other peoples posts so it's far from a perfect solution,

You can always ignore it in your head, and you don't have to respond to it either.

All the petty bickering stops now, everyone can and will use their Internet connection in their own way.

Nollog

shinfujiwara wrote: »

I know a guy with 1Gbit of download and upload in Japan. He uploads terabytes per month, every month. He's contributing with his upload speed in an "Anime Tracker".

He in jail yet? I hear Japan arrested thousands of cappers in the last year.

dub45 wrote: »

They sell an "unlimited" product without any qualification on their website. If a product has a limit of x gb then it is not an unlimited product thats a simple fact. It is up to UPC to sell a product that will deliver a service to its customers. If the network cannot handle that product then it should not be sold.

It's unlimited to everyone who doesn't download more than their fair share every single month.

dub45 wrote: »

It should not be up to a customer to consider whether or not their usage is impacting on somebody else's that is what UPC are there for.

Exactly, that's why they limit the people who go over 250 GB on a monthly basis.

dub45 wrote: »

And how come paying extra money allows you to download an amount which is not ok if you are not paying the money? The "impact" on your neighbours is not lessened by you paying the extra money. In fact the "impact" will be increased if you suddenly feel you can now download even more than previously.

I assume they use the money to put you on a different route than your neighbours. It could just be a money-racket.

dub45 wrote: »

Anyway I see they are now advertising "contention free" so there is no need for anyone to worry anymore!

Yeah, I don't know where they get that idea from.

Blackdragon wrote: »

Two questions for you -

Is it unlimited or not?
If i have an unlimited service, then what do you mean by using my connection "fairly"?


250GB is not unlimited, its limited.
Id much rather they simply advertise that. Its still a very high amount of data and still blows most of the competition out of the water.

I'm quite happy with my 250GB limit. I am however quite unhappy with the method in which the term "unlimited" is thrown around by UPC and i'm unsure how so many people can jump to the defense of it of such a dishonest practice

It's unlimited, you don't immediately disconnect when you reach 250 GB in your first month.
I agree with you, FUP/AUP's are like the fine print in a contract.
They can claim unlimited, then have a limit of 1mb. The law-makers are too busy making companies happy to make consumers happy.

Uh, my post was deleted, I hope just for being off-topic. I was editing it.
Sorry if I broke a rule or something.

vibe666

jor el wrote: »

All the petty bickering stops now, everyone can and will use their Internet connection in their own way.

that's exactly the point i've bee trying to get across.

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's unlimited, you don't immediately disconnect when you reach 250 GB in your first month.

its still a limit, its just not a hard limit. a soft limit is still a limit, particularly when it is enforced (however indirectly) by bumping up users to a more expensive package.

sk1

hey, what is now with the speed test results from the person who got the test access ..?

JDxtra

From today's Irish Times:

THE LATEST results for cable television group UPC show it made strong customer gains in broadband and telephony but it continues to lose TV subscribers.

At the end of September, UPC had 184,700 broadband customers. This represented a 37 per cent rise on the previous year.

The company has announced plans to offer 100 megabyte internet speeds before Christmas.

Clanket

sk1 wrote: »

hey, what is now with the speed test results from the person who got the test access ..?

Not happening at all for me. They a nightmare to deal with.

Am getting speeds of 30mb. Was on 15mb before they came out and changed the modem. The first week I contacted them loads trying to get it sorted but not all their staff are trained in support for it. The last time I was talking to them they said everything looked ok from their side so it was probably my computer and something to do with tcp settings. Couldn't be arsed looking at it anymore

janetfinance

Chris_533976 wrote: »

Roll on the super HD 3D hologram porn clips

LOL

colinod0806

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

Not happening at all for me. They a nightmare to deal with.

Am getting speeds of 30mb. Was on 15mb before they came out and changed the modem. The first week I contacted them loads trying to get it sorted but not all their staff are trained in support for it. The last time I was talking to them they said everything looked ok from their side so it was probably my computer and something to do with tcp settings. Couldn't be arsed looking at it anymore

So you could be getting over 3 times the speed with a little tweaking but you cant be arsed..im sorry but i find that hard to believe

vibe666

you'd think UPC would be making a point of trying to get one of their 100mbps test users actually 'testing' their connection.

Bubonic

I notice some ads today during the football, just a glowing red mouse and someone saying coming soon, no brand on it. Could that be a teaser add for the 100mb service?