100Mb NTL

Thor

Limericks wrote: »

Yeah that is true but my point was directed at the fact the terms only contain 15mb, 30mb, and 100mb. because if they where to change the 15 and 30 to something higher before the product was released then the part of the terms about paying a fee to downgrade within the first 4 months (and others) would mean nothing to the 15mb and 30mb packages.

I hope I am making sense, I am very tired right now :P

I get ya, It makes sense from them not to change the terms pre-maturally, I made that point a few posts up myself, I believe the change is just for the people in limerick, Which have 100mb broadband.

We will see the change in the terms later once they announce the new packages for everyone.

vibe666

Thor wrote: »

We will see the change in the terms later once they announce the new packages for everyone.

fingers crossed.

Nollog

Thor wrote: »

Well word is that the 100mb package is going to cost €70-80.

So imagine having to pay €50 for 30mb and then say €75 for a three times the speed connection, It only makes sense to push the 30mb to 60mb and charge the same and then charge €70-80 for the 100mb.

Edit** Just to note, Its what upc are/is doing in other countries.

I see.
So you're saying they'd change all their packages to something like 8, 25, 50, 100?
I was just thinking a 70mb bump would be far too much to ask of anyone, even Jesus.
But a 20mb bump would be doable.

Thor

/\/ollog wrote: »

I see.
So you're saying they'd change all their packages to something like 8, 25, 50, 100?
I was just thinking a 70mb bump would be far too much to ask of anyone, even Jesus.
But a 20mb bump would be doable.

Well i think it would be unfair to charge us the same they charge everyone one else for a lower mb package(Although things like that happen alot in ireland).

UPC have been fair with the prices in all countries and have charged the same for every package.

So it would make sense from them to do it here aswell.

vibe666

well, i hope i'm wrong and they do right by everyone.

hopefully as someone mentioned the new T&C's might just be for the limerick trial users, but i have a nasty feeling we're gonna get the shaft. :eek:

Thor

vibe666 wrote: »

well, i hope i'm wrong and they do right by everyone.

hopefully as someone mentioned the new T&C's might just be for the limerick trial users, but i have a nasty feeling we're gonna get the shaft. :eek:

I honestly can't see upc justifying something like that,

If they want to make money they will have a 60mb package and possibly a 90mb package, It just makes sense to have that.

Most people will go for inbetween as they care more about the value then the speed.

I JUST WANT A 100MB LINE ALREADY!!!

hightower1

vibe666 wrote: »

you can keep arguing all you want, but until you actually have a valid point it's not even going to be sporting of me to keep shooting you down so you might want to give up now before it gets too bad. :rolleyes:.

Please point out where this shooting down has occurred? Simply saying something doesnt make it so. Its as simple as this .. you had high hopes of something and were waaayyy off the mark and then had a strop here because of it. Grow up.

podgeandrodge

soooo- as we get into these type of speeds - what do most people feel they will benefit most by? 700mb "media clips" in 1 minute instead of 3? Emails checked in half a second rather than 3 seconds? Browsing can't really be faster to the eye can it?

Where is the real benefit unless you are downloading so much that you will probably reach even UPC's download limit? HD streaming etc?

(Genuine question - I used to plague UPC as to when each upgrade would take place but since 30mb arrived downloading time is becoming irrelevant)

Jesus Wept

podgeandrodge wrote: »

soooo- as we get into these type of speeds - what do most people feel they will benefit most by? 700mb "media clips" in 1 minute instead of 3? Emails checked in half a second rather than 3 seconds? Browsing can't really be faster to the eye can it?

Where is the real benefit unless you are downloading so much that you will probably reach even UPC's download limit? HD streaming etc?

(Genuine question - I used to plague UPC as to when each upgrade would take place but since 30mb arrived downloading time is becoming irrelevant)

Thinking alone the same lines, I'm thinking I'll downgrade to the 15mb line and save myself 25e per bill.
I don't I'll notice much or any difference.

Feidhlim

podgeandrodge wrote: »

soooo- as we get into these type of speeds - what do most people feel they will benefit most by? 700mb "media clips" in 1 minute instead of 3? Emails checked in half a second rather than 3 seconds? Browsing can't really be faster to the eye can it?

Where is the real benefit unless you are downloading so much that you will probably reach even UPC's download limit? HD streaming etc?

(Genuine question - I used to plague UPC as to when each upgrade would take place but since 30mb arrived downloading time is becoming irrelevant)

There is a need for it, granted not for checking your emails but access to the internet offers more then checking emails.

IPTV? Video on demand?

Its not even just about downloading some clips or music anymore. Its about the household having an internet connection that could facilitate several users accessing high bandwidth content.

We may not have access to a lot of services at the moment but 100mb is, or at least will be, required and in a couple of years probably wont be fast enough for us.

vibe666

hightower1 wrote: »

Please point out where this shooting down has occurred? Simply saying something doesnt make it so. Its as simple as this .. you had high hopes of something and were waaayyy off the mark and then had a strop here because of it. Grow up.

how about every single thread we've both posted in where you eventually pussy out when you realise your hollow and pointless fanboy arguments are exactly that?

considering most of the shooting down has been based on YOU repeatedly stating your own misguided opinion as fact and then failing to back it up with any evidence, you might want to re-think your strategy (again).

and how exactly was i way off the mark? we still don't know whats going to happen, it was mearly a guess based on current evidence.

not to mention the fact i've already said several times i'd have much more interest in a higher AUP and better upload than a download speed increase.

feel free to keep trying tho, as easy as you make it for me, i do still quite enjoy making you look like an idiot particularly given how often you give me the opportunity.

Shayanzadeh

Honestly, I'm only looking forward to higher upload speeds...
At the moment 1.7MB/s down is enough, 1MB/s up would be nice with that

Jesus Wept

So much for 25meg...



If I downgrade to 15meg, should I expect 8meg?

Why can't they just be consistent?

Thor

The-Rigger wrote: »

So much for 25meg...



If I downgrade to 15meg, should I expect 8meg?

Why can't they just be consistent?

There is no 25mb connection, Just 30mb.

Jonathan

Thor wrote: »

There is no 25mb connection, Just 30mb.

There is actually. It is a legacy package.

Jesus Wept

Thor wrote: »

There is no 25mb connection, Just 30mb.

Would be 30 had I asked for the upgrade but I read about people having so many connection issues that I never requested it.

They started bumping those of us on the old 20 meg to 25 meg last week.

Thor

The-Rigger wrote: »

Would be 30 had I asked for the upgrade but I read about people having so many connection issues that I never requested it.

They started bumping those of us on the old 20 meg to 25 meg last week.

I remember when i got the 30mb i had to sign a new contract for 12 months, But i was told if i wanted to wait a few months i would get the 30mb anyway.

vibe666

if they are moving people to 25mbps now, maybe that means their eventual plan is going to be to scrub the 30mbps and go with 8mbps, 15mbps, 25mbps, 50mbps and 100mbps.

wouldn't make any sense to keep a 25mbps package AND a 30mbps package long term and it would look a lot more like the other 100mbps territories if they did that.

eircom are so f**ked.

Jesus Wept

Kind of different results between speedtest.net and the dutch upc speedtest website.

Thor wrote: »

There is no 25mb connection, Just 30mb.

vibe666 wrote: »

if they are moving people to 25mbps now, maybe that means their eventual plan is going to be to scrub the 30mbps and go with 8mbps, 15mbps, 25mbps, 50mbps and 100mbps.

wouldn't make any sense to keep a 25mbps package AND a 30mbps package long term and it would look a lot more like the other 100mbps territories if they did that.

eircom are so f**ked.

I presume those currently on 25meg would be bumped to the 50meg in that case as they are paying the same as the current 30meg holders.

FloatingVoter

The-Rigger wrote: »

I presume those currently on 25meg would be bumped to the 50meg in that case as they are paying the same as the current 30meg holders.

This is just conjecture, but given that the 30meg holders (me included) have already "signed" for another 12 months with upc, the 25meg bunch (those of you who waited for the auto-upgrade) would probably have to commit to another 12 months to get the bump to 50. Still, maybe nobody is getting any freebies and this is just pie in the sky.

Ziycon

vibe666 wrote: »

if they are moving people to 25mbps now, maybe that means their eventual plan is going to be to scrub the 30mbps and go with 8mbps, 15mbps, 25mbps, 50mbps and 100mbps.

wouldn't make any sense to keep a 25mbps package AND a 30mbps package long term and it would look a lot more like the other 100mbps territories if they did that.

eircom are so f**ked.

Its all marketing, they are only upgrading existing customers to 25mb and you have to pay the same price as the 30mb, this is to give existing customers more of a reason to request and upgrade to 30mb and have to sign a new 12 month contract, its a way to force people into a new contract. Its all about keeping as many customers as long as possible!

Jesus Wept

I would have signed for another 12 months if the upgrade was going to be stable rather than worse than what I had.
They should try harder.

Was told on phone that 100Mb is not for sale yet and is been tested.

bestie

I see in the Netherlands they get 25 mb for 25 euro, we get only 8mb for 25 euro..

also alot more options available.

Crann na Beatha

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WillieFlynn

The sunday business post has an article which says 100Mb for 80 euro from next month.

Jesus Wept

WillieFlynn wrote: »

The sunday business post has an article which says 100Mb for 80 euro from next month.

UPC has promised that the service’s advertised speeds of 100Mbs for downloads and 10Mbs for uploads will ‘‘very closely’’ match actual speeds experienced by customers.

‘‘You won’t get any lower than 85 or 90 Mbs on this service," said Coan. ‘‘We feel it’s very important that, if we tell you you’re going to get a speed of 100 Mbs, you actually get that speed. There is a problem in the broadband market, as a whole, with operators advertising speeds that don’t live up to actual performance."

:rolleyes:

No ****.

vibe666

WillieFlynn wrote: »

The sunday business post has an article which says 100Mb for 80 euro from next month.

i actually quite like the sound of this:

UPC is currently developing a new television platform with Samsung, based on a shared approach to delivering programming and internet content.

Coan said that the platform would take advantage of UPC’s high broadband speeds.

could be interesting if they do it right.

interesting that they made no mention of the 'august' rollout suddenly becoming 'october'.

crashoveroid

WillieFlynn wrote: »

The sunday business post has an article which says 100Mb for 80 euro from next month.

Sweet thanks for the update.

ronkmonster

Any idea what happens for people on the Broadband extreme package?
I currently pay €80 for 30Mbit

vibe666

ronkmonster wrote: »

Any idea what happens for people on the Broadband extreme package?
I currently pay €80 for 30Mbit

well, you'd have to assume you'll be one of the few people who actually gets 100mbps, although whether or not you just 'get it' or have to ask for the upgrade is anyone's guess at the moment.

you will of course be obliged to post all your speedtests here for the rest of us to drool over, assuming you can find any way of actually testing 100mbps accurately.

watty

You need a dedicated secret speed test computer at INEX to test 100Mbps..

Or see how long it takes to download ALL the linux ISOs from HEAnet mirrors...

ronkmonster

vibe666 wrote: »

well, you'd have to assume you'll be one of the few people who actually gets 100mbps, although whether or not you just 'get it' or have to ask for the upgrade is anyone's guess at the moment.

you will of course be obliged to post all your speedtests here for the rest of us to drool over, assuming you can find any way of actually testing 100mbps accurately.

Steam maybe? I get the a lot of the 30Mbit speed from them currently. Around 3.5Mb/s when downloading games.

I'm more interested in the increased upload anyway, download speed is fast as it is.

cgarvey

ronkmonster wrote: »

Any idea what happens for people on the Broadband extreme package?
I currently pay €80 for 30Mbit

Eh? It costs €42 a month according to their site. You sure you don't mean €80 per bill (2 months), or are you on some non-standard package? If it's €80/bill, then don't forget that the SBP article says €80/month for 100Mb.

crashoveroid

ronkmonster wrote: »

Steam maybe? I get the a lot of the 30Mbit speed from them currently. Around 3.5Mb/s when downloading games.

I'm more interested in the increased upload anyway, download speed is fast as it is.

More up more down its all good cant wait to get this

hightower1

vibe666 wrote: »

how about every single thread we've both posted in where you eventually pussy out when you realise your hollow and pointless fanboy arguments are exactly that?

considering most of the shooting down has been based on YOU repeatedly stating your own misguided opinion as fact and then failing to back it up with any evidence, you might want to re-think your strategy (again).

and how exactly was i way off the mark? we still don't know whats going to happen, it was mearly a guess based on current evidence.

not to mention the fact i've already said several times i'd have much more interest in a higher AUP and better upload than a download speed increase.

feel free to keep trying tho, as easy as you make it for me, i do still quite enjoy making you look like an idiot particularly given how often you give me the opportunity.

Lmao, internet tough guy huh ;-). Please do point out where you "shot me down" I could do with the example.:-)

ronkmonster

cgarvey wrote: »

Eh? It costs €42 a month according to their site. You sure you don't mean €80 per bill (2 months), or are you on some non-standard package? If it's €80/bill, then don't forget that the SBP article says €80/month for 100Mb.

Broadband extreme is for people who continually download over the 250gb cap, so yes it's non standard and not advertised. We pay 80 a month for true unlimited downloads at 30Mbit.

Someone mentioned that in other markets, the Extreme package got the full 100Mbit speed.

Thor

hightower1 wrote: »

Lmao, internet tough guy huh ;-). Please do point out where you "shot me down" I could do with the example.:-)

Okay i think you and vibe666 need to get a virtual room!!

Lets all concentrate on the 100mb goodness

bk109

ronkmonster wrote: »

Broadband extreme is for people who continually download over the 250gb cap, so yes it's non standard and not advertised. We pay 80 a month for true unlimited downloads at 30Mbit.

Someone mentioned that in other markets, the Extreme package got the full 100Mbit speed.

Err,It's 42(49 and change) for the 30meg + no cap,or 57 with the phone

ronkmonster

bk109 wrote: »

Err,It's 42(49 and change) for the 30meg + no cap,or 57 with the phone

There is a cap of 250gb on that package.
Do a search of boards and you'll see others mention it.
The real unlimited package is extreme for 80/month

bk109

ronkmonster wrote: »

There is a cap of 250gb on that package.
Do a search of boards and you'll see others mention it.
The real unlimited package is extreme for 80/month

Heh,sure - 2 small problems -
1- I do consistently by myself 300+gigs of usage monthly,without taking into account my housemates
2- The highest priced BB package from UPC I saw was the FibrePower30(the former Extreme which was also 42),so ... where's the 80Euro one
PS. 80 Euro might be with phone or tv or whatever

ronkmonster

It's not advertised, it's only for consistent heavy downloaders. Maybe they are revising limits for the 100Mbit rollout.
They usually send letters out before forcing you over. I never got my letters though.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55073542

bk109

That's the thing,I'm certain me and the 4 other people that share the connection have gone over the 250 limit since we first got the account nine months ago and it was at the highest available tier since Day1... Either way,It works and when possible - Upgrading again...

vibe666

hightower1 wrote: »

Lmao, internet tough guy huh ;-)

coming from someone who's idea of acting the tough guy is spending his spare time running round in fields with toy guns dressed as a soldier making 'pew pew pew' noises, that has to be my favourite quote of the week and that really does qualify for a LMAO. :D:D

hightower1 wrote: »

Please do point out where you "shot me down" I could do with the example.:-)

there's been plenty, but the most recent one that springs to mind is this one although they all follow the same formula where you come up with some fanboy argument in response to another poster and then attempt to back it up by inventing some other crap and trying to pass it off as fact to support your initial argument, then it continues for a few more posts whilst you're asked to back up your claims with some facts and you then make up more crap to try and support it, but eventually give up so you don't have to admit that you don't actually have a point or possess anything even remotely resembling the truth.

if i'm brutally honest, you're consistently high levels of bull**** are actually beginning to get ever so slightly tedious, so you've finally made it onto my ignore list. feel free to talk as much crap as you like from now on, because i'm never going to see it.

ronkmonster

I don't know how strict they are on the 250gb but that's when they start looking at your account.

Hoping I get free bump up though

vibe666

bk109 wrote: »

Heh,sure - 2 small problems -
1- I do consistently by myself 300+gigs of usage monthly,without taking into account my housemates
2- The highest priced BB package from UPC I saw was the FibrePower30(the former Extreme which was also 42),so ... where's the 80Euro one
PS. 80 Euro might be with phone or tv or whatever

you're talking about the 'ultra' package, not the extreme one (the extreme package costs double the price of the ultra package and just removes the 250gb AUP/FUP on your connection, but does not increase your speed), but has never been advertised and is reserved for users who break the 250gb AUP/FUP in a high usage area where a single users high useage is likely to be affecting other users.

so you either 'A' haven't actually broken the 250gb limit in the FUP/AUP (do you have bandwidth measurement software on your PC's or router so you can say for sure what your usage is?), or 'B' you're not in a high usage area and as a result of that, they are not applying the 250gb limit to your connection.

bk109

vibe666 wrote: »

you're talking about the 'ultra' package, not the extreme one (the extreme package costs double the price of the ultra package and just removes the 250gb AUP/FUP on your connection, but does not increase your speed), but has never been advertised and is reserved for users who break the 250gb AUP/FUP in a high usage area where it is likely to be affecting other users.

so you either 'A' haven't actually broken the 250gb limit in the FUP/AUP (do you have bandwidth measurement software on your PC's or router so you can say for sure what your usage is?), or 'B' you're not in a high usage area and as a result of that, they are not applying the 250gb limit to your connection.

I think it's the latter. As for measuring - Just a widget on desktop + the stats when I seed *buntu

madma

i was told last week that we were getting an upgrade to 25mb. i think we've 5mb or something. anyways it sais to just unlpug the moem from power supply, but broadband speed is still the same. the laptop is a bit wrecked though, cant get updates and few other things wrong which make it freeze alot which is annoying so need a knew laptop

anyone know how i can check to see if this was given to me by checking on the laptop or should i just ring UPC?

ronkmonster

try speedtest.net
should give you somewhere between 15 and 25 if you've been upgraded

Jesus Wept

How many people are getting the correct upload?
Only ever seem to get between .08 - 1.1, way below what it ought to be.