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'The Rules', and how to break them..

  • 02-11-2009 11:19pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭


    I hate the term 'rules' (prefer 'conventions' meself...) but since there's been a bit of discussion 'round these here parts on rules and why they need to (and should!) be broken, I thought it might be good to show our favourite images where breaking them just works. Lest we get bogged down in golden means and filling the frame...

    Mine is this one from 1951 by Irving Penn:

    d4696334x.jpg

    I guess I'm just about to contradict everything I said about Baz's photo and the shirt being the point of focus, but I love how the sleeve dominates in this - the image (as far as I know) is called 'big sleeve'. And it cuts her eyes! Can you imagine if one of us posted this what flack it would get for that! :D But to me it's just perfection in fashion photography. The way the big bright shape of the sleeve balances with the round blackness of the hat. It's almost abstract, and one of the reasons I'm finding myself more and more drawn to... <gasp> fashion photography </gasp>

    Anyone else?

    Edit: I didn't know Penn died last month :(


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Heh. This reminds me a bit of that infamous thread on one of those 'win or lose' flickr groups where someone posted a HCB picture. It was duly lambasted on high for blurriness, grain (someone suggesting that the poster go a bit 'lighter on the grain effect in future'), bad composition, you name it. Then there was a big reveal from the OP. The discussion went downhill from there. It was a wonderful trainwreck of a thread :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,723 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    on first inspection i was about to say what a wondefull image Sinead - I see nothing wrong with it - perfection - it highlighights everything correctly to my tired eyes - but i do believe you need to learn the rules before you can start breaking them - im dyslexic and other learning difficulties - so i find the technical aspects so hard to learn - just have to go on instinct


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    I think this is the gem you're referring to Daire:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭sineadw


    Yep, I remember that one :D And this one posted by Noah (I miss Noah..) way back: http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/06/great-photographers-on-internet.html


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    i find the whole rules thing goes two ways. theres the tech whores, who demand all is by the rules or its a pile of poo, then the art whores who go mad a shoot like they stick the camera behind them a shoot without looking, and sometimes get great shots. Both camps can get great and sh1te shots... discussing this... merely shows us which camp folk are in hehe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭sineadw


    KarmaGarda wrote: »
    I think this is the gem you're referring to Daire:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366

    In fairness- i also remember agreeing that a great photo is not *every* photo taken by a great photographer... whether it breaks the rules or not. Just because its a HCB, it doesn't make it art..

    fight... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    sineadw wrote: »
    In fairness- i also remember agreeing that a great photo is not *every* photo taken by a great photographer... whether it breaks the rules or not. Just because its a HCB, it doesn't make it art..

    fight... :D

    NEVER! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭sineadw


    KarmaGarda wrote: »
    NEVER! :mad:
    Ever?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    sineadw wrote: »
    Ever?

    Only on sundays when I wear my pink dress and go by the name of bubblegum lips.


    I'm awesome at staying on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭sineadw


    KarmaGarda wrote: »
    Only on sundays when I wear my pink dress and go by the name of bubblegum lips.

    now THAT'S what i call breaking rules! :D

    Ah but... does no-one else have a favourite but me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    I don't have a favourite so to speak, but I do have another example:

    It's from a guy on flickr called Brian Schulman:

    2533682224_e40525b0d4.jpg

    To state the obvious it's overexposed, centrally composed, but it's still one of my flickr favourites. Very clever photograph


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    sineadw wrote: »

    Ah but... does no-one else have a favourite but me?


    you oof buzz , Faye gots it too I discovered

    4065900959_8e4860f4a1.jpg

    cheek barely in focus but i like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭Fionn


    ah yeah!
    thats what's great about photography - you can create a crappy looking photograph and imply you ment to have it that way :D;):p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭Fionn


    ha haaa

















    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭KarmaGarda


    Fionn wrote: »
    ah yeah!
    thats what's great about photography - you can create a crappy looking photograph and imply you ment to have it that way :D;):p
    Fionn wrote: »
    ha haaa

















    :)

    ammm.... :confused:


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