Pat Kenny nearly loses rag with Jack O'Connor

irish_bob

Paulzx wrote: »

I thought public servants were the only "rich people" left in this country. Make up your mind.

If "this country" pisses you off so much why don't you feck off out of it and good riddance

thats original

pmacdot

TheZohan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8eGD9V6aM

Pat.

Pat asked for it, the rest of us knew what JOC meant. It was a stupid question. He is afraid he will have to foot more of this bill than the rest of us.
He was earning 8/9 times JOC salary.

The_Minister

pmacdot wrote: »

Pat asked for it, the rest of us knew what JOC meant. It was a stupid question. He is afraid he will have to foot more of this bill than the rest of us.
He was earning 8/9 times JOC salary.

LOL
O'Connor makes over €100,000 a year.
He also sits on numerous boards.

And for the record, I had no idea what J'OC was talking about

pmacdot

The_Minister wrote: »

LOL
O'Connor makes over €100,000 a year.
He also sits on numerous boards.

And for the record, I had no idea what J'OC was talking about

Well as property has had a great deal to do with the current crisis, bringing it up in the current climate is perfectly legitimate, trophy houses or whatever. Some people only want to mention public sector issues, it does not suit when someone goes back to the source of the crisis. Some poor sods are now in serious debt just to have a home. A home is not what JOC was talking about, I think you and others know that.

efb

And that's Pat's home so why did he refer to it? Cheap dig.

pmacdot

efb wrote: »

And that's Pat's home so why did he refer to it? Cheap dig.

Do agree it was a mistake but PK was a little silly to ask what a trophy home was!! Pat can dish out but cannot take it.

laugh

pmacdot wrote: »

Do agree it was a mistake but PK was a little silly to ask what a trophy home was!! Pat can dish out but cannot take it.

Trophy homes have zero to do with the problem, 80,000 semid's a year do. "Trophy homes" often give employment to specialized artisan construction workers with far greater skills than those needed to fire up 150 or 250 identical homes. Kenny paid for his house with money he earned as a home to bring up his young family. RTE paid him what they felt was right and I'd imagine he had it paid for before the Celtic tiger was even a cub.

Sheeps

The house I live in is worth a lot more than Pat Kenny's.
/smug

galwayrush

Sheeps wrote: »

The house I live in is worth a lot more than Pat Kenny's.
/smug

So is the house i'd like to live in.;)..................oh wait............:(

stackerman

pmacdot wrote: »

Do agree it was a mistake but PK was a little silly to ask what a trophy home was!! Pat can dish out but cannot take it.

Silly ? Why ?
J O'C mentioned it and if he brings it up we are ALL entitled to know what his great plan is and what he's talking about. Pat's job is to ask the questions and get to the bottom of what his guests are saying (not easy when you are dealing with a begrudging unionist) :mad::mad:

irish_bob

from readng thie thread , one would think pat kenny is guilty of wrongdoing regarding the value of his house , thier is a rather spitefull attitude developing in this country and the unions are at the steering wheel , the politics of envy is becoming increasingly apparent

Mossy Monk

pmacdot wrote: »

Do agree it was a mistake but PK was a little silly to ask what a trophy home was!! Pat can dish out but cannot take it.

I was glad he asked. I had no idea what a trophy home was.

Victor

darkman2 wrote: »

"Trophy houses" - ffs.

Its not bad, you know: http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=swd93sggr3cd&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=29511583&encType=1

Paulzx

irish_bob wrote: »

thats original

About as original as the same rubbish you constantly repeat

efb

pmacdot wrote: »

Do agree it was a mistake but PK was a little silly to ask what a trophy home was!! Pat can dish out but cannot take it.

Pat wanted clarification, he was entitled to push for more than drab clichés...

It would be his job as the interviewer to "dish it out", rather than to "take it".

"JO'C" squirmed in thee chair as he realised his cheap digs are exposed as just that outside a union rally. He should go back to FÁS and cream the expenses off that State Quango...

pmacdot

laugh wrote: »

Trophy homes have zero to do with the problem, 80,000 semid's a year do. "Trophy homes" often give employment to specialized artisan construction workers with far greater skills than those needed to fire up 150 or 250 identical homes. Kenny paid for his house with money he earned as a home to bring up his young family. RTE paid him what they felt was right and I'd imagine he had it paid for before the Celtic tiger was even a cub.

I would consider people stocking up on semi-ds to have trophy homes. Basically the mad rush to acquire property is responsible for the mess. Construction may have given jobs but it was a false economy building far more house p.a than Britain even allowing for catching up. It was unsustainable and the shame lies fairly and squarely with a shambolic government who presided over the gold rush. Plenty of ordinary people could have done better managing the economy. After the NIce treaty in 2002 basically we had Poles building apartments for themselves.
Pat Kenny's house is irrelevant to the debate, I agree. My point was that JOC comment on trophy homes was clear to me.
ICTU did not cause the property mess but are now trying to defend their members interests the same way as NAMA etc is basically defending the banking system. Members pay JOC to defend them so they should not be chastised for doing that and attempting to spread the burden more fairly.

Stark

pmacdot wrote:

My point was that JOC comment on trophy homes was clear to me.

Well to me it sounded like JOC was simply making digs at people who had nice houses as it seemed like they were flashing their wealth. Hence it needed clarification.

amacachi

For an official SIPTU clarification I'd guess a trophy house would be one that's any bigger than the biggest any of their members own.

irish_bob

Paulzx wrote: »

About as original as the same rubbish you constantly repeat

thats an opinion and i dont give a 4X about yours , how do you like those apples

OutlawPete

Just an opinion here so don't shoot me

I don't think Pat was too bothered about the house part at all. I think he knows on such issues he can handle himself - as he showed anyway.

What I think bothered him was the word 'trophy' as that word has been used before in a newspaper but it didn't refer to his house at the time, it was in reference to his wife.

I'm sure he has taken lots of stick over it as she is a little younger and very very pretty and so when articles appear in papers etc you are going to have a little resentment built up inside. I think when he heard the word 'trophy' it just triggered those 'other' trophy remarks over the years.

Just a theory mind ..

MikeC101

O' Connor had to be careful with what he said - he has to keep propogating the myth of these hordes of ultra rich with their gigantic mansions who don't pay enough tax, but be careful not to encroach upon the "ordinary workers" he claims to represent.

Being no doubt aware that it's quite likely the same percentage of his union members own second homes that they rent out as do any other type of employee in the state, he couldn't refer to second homes as a decadent luxury, so instead went for the option of "trophy homes", because it sounds, you know, what those uber rich types might have.

Kenny rightly called him on it and he was foolish enough to try to get in a sly dig (one that doesn't make a lot of sense - it is Kenny's primary residence is it not?).

Really, wouldn't more people building trophy homes in Ireland give a bit of a boost to the economy, rather than people buying second homes outside the country?

Still, I can't believe that Jack O Connor is the best PR guy they have, he was fairly abysmal.

pmacdot

keving wrote: »

Silly ? Why ?
J O'C mentioned it and if he brings it up we are ALL entitled to know what his great plan is and what he's talking about. Pat's job is to ask the questions and get to the bottom of what his guests are saying (not easy when you are dealing with a begrudging unionist) :mad::mad:

A unionist thought those guys were up North!! Listening to some of you I would swear that no bad government or banker ever brought the country to its knees!!! nama nama nama

pmacdot

MikeC101 wrote: »

O' Connor had to be careful with what he said - he has to keep propogating the myth of these hordes of ultra rich with their gigantic mansions who don't pay enough tax, but be careful not to encroach upon the "ordinary workers" he claims to represent.

Being no doubt aware that it's quite likely the same percentage of his union members own second homes that they rent out as do any other type of employee in the state, he couldn't refer to second homes as a decadent luxury, so instead went for the option of "trophy homes", because it sounds, you know, what those uber rich types might have.

Kenny rightly called him on it and he was foolish enough to try to get in a sly dig (one that doesn't make a lot of sense - it is Kenny's primary residence is it not?).

Really, wouldn't more people building trophy homes in Ireland give a bit of a boost to the economy, rather than people buying second homes outside the country?

Still, I can't believe that Jack O Connor is the best PR guy they have, he was fairly abysmal.

I think Bertie's comment about people who warned about an economic collapse and committing suicide was far far worse!! I suppose that was acceptable to all those lying bankers and politicians. Bertie should be made account for the mess.

irish_bob

pmacdot wrote: »

I think Bertie's comment about people who warned about an economic collapse and committing suicide was far far worse!! I suppose that was acceptable to all those lying bankers and politicians. Bertie should be made account for the mess.

and this is relevant how to this thread

efb

Bertie's flawed 'take what you want' partership models were far worse than his comment on those talking down the economy, but maybe some people don't have an issue with him doubling the Public Sector wagebill...

stackerman

pmacdot wrote: »

Listening to some of you I would swear that no bad government or banker ever brought the country to its knees!!! nama nama nama

Your not listening then.
They did, never said otherwise, but this lynch mob mentality with regard to anyone that SEEMS to have a few quid is bit much. Go back and listen to the Pat/J O'C pod cast and listen to the figures the Tax woman gives. There aint no pot of gold out there thats gona fix this.

Theta

pmacdot wrote: »

A unionist thought those guys were up North!! Listening to some of you I would swear that no bad government or banker ever brought the country to its knees!!! nama nama nama

Sigh.

sparkling sea

In my humble opinion Jack O Connor fully represents the views of the people who pay his wages, thats why he talks aload of rubbish.

On the one hand he states the public sector workers should not have to take cuts - on the other hand he states that private sector workers should not be taxed any further. Private sector workers taxes are used to pay the wages of public sector workers. Many private sector workers have lost their jobs so taxes have dropped dramatically, someone has to lose, and he justs stirs the pot by pretending the status quo can remain.

vinylmatt

Pat has plans for us all:

We're heading back to the 50's (or maybe the 30's).

omahaid

vinylmatt wrote: »

Pat has plans for us all:



We're heading back to the 50's (or maybe the 30's).

Thats pretty ****e my friend

Mossy Monk

It's awful.

phaedrus1979

I think the point is being missed. The comment by Jack was not a low blow or a jibe, it was relevant. Thats because on the salary he has had in the 00's Pat Kenny is not an ordinary person, he earns more than the president of the US on direct gross income. He is a player. Why is this relevant?- since the beginning of the noughties theres been a seismic shift in RTE towards taking a conservative US/UK looking line on social issues, you know, protect the wealthy, undermine the rest of society. Pat Kenny at the end of the "frontline" always says he will "set the agenda" in the morning. And what agenda is that? every week on the radio he has a show covering- unmarried mothers, social welfare, public workers being overpaid and so on, unimaginatively , all the bugbears of the right. But RTE is a public service broadcaster, who is asking for this agenda? The galling part is that in the midst of all this he's getting paid out of the public purse, its offensive to see overpaid elitists preaching a mantra of pro-business anti-worker sentiment when we are paying his overinflated wages. I'm not looking for a rabid trotskyite to cover current affairs, but a little variety and balance would be nice, we've copied all the bad stuff from British TV..badly, maybe someday we will be able to cover some of the good stuff from Channel 4.

ILikeBananas

Sick bump

Speak Now

Goodman phaedrus1979 well worth waiting 4 and a half years for your first post :pac:

vinylmatt

But I can't watch TV any longer, it's too stupid. Keyboard cat will bring details of PKs fails in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

q6zczk_3m2g

DrumSteve

**** Necro Thread...! Get the pitchforks!

vinylmatt

Seems like only yesterday...

FloatingVoter

I wish Pat Kenny would stop coming on here trying to drum up publicity for himself.

Unique User Name

phaedrus1979 wrote: »

I think the point is being missed. The comment by Jack was not a low blow or a jibe, it was relevant. Thats because on the salary he has had in the 00's Pat Kenny is not an ordinary person, he earns more than the president of the US on direct gross income. He is a player. Why is this relevant?- since the beginning of the noughties theres been a seismic shift in RTE towards taking a conservative US/UK looking line on social issues, you know, protect the wealthy, undermine the rest of society. Pat Kenny at the end of the "frontline" always says he will "set the agenda" in the morning. And what agenda is that? every week on the radio he has a show covering- unmarried mothers, social welfare, public workers being overpaid and so on, unimaginatively , all the bugbears of the right. But RTE is a public service broadcaster, who is asking for this agenda? The galling part is that in the midst of all this he's getting paid out of the public purse, its offensive to see overpaid elitists preaching a mantra of pro-business anti-worker sentiment when we are paying his overinflated wages. I'm not looking for a rabid trotskyite to cover current affairs, but a little variety and balance would be nice, we've copied all the bad stuff from British TV..badly, maybe someday we will be able to cover some of the good stuff from Channel 4.

Wow you've been waiting two years and this is the best you can do. For shame!!!

vampire of kilmainham

pat kenny is a roide id roide his ass