Supreme Court says no women need apply to Golf Club. Mod warning post 119

WindSock

I doubt that the only "women only" clubs / associations are gyms, or where they might feel physically self-conscious for some reason.

Minorities have their own corners, otherwise the mainstream will engulf them. Look at tLL for example. How come there has to be a single forum on this site dedicated to 50 percent of the population (granted that's not boards.ie population) But there still has to be sections where people of certain groups are allowed their voices to evolve without mainstream hinderance.

What I don't understand is why they are allowed play but not join? Is there some sort of exclusive access to members?

WindSock

aDeener wrote: »

if that's the case why go to one at all..... for fear that their might be other there?oh the horror :rolleyes: what the hell has gender got to do with it?!

Breasts bouncing on a treadmill, although that is not exclusively to women :pac:

Do you take showers with people of opposite genders in your clubs? Some people feel uncomfortable. But others don't, that's why there is the option there.

There are male only gyms, aren't there gay men gyms?

super_furry

Women aren't a minority group.

Zulu

WindSock wrote: »

Working out in a gym can be a bit personal, like toilets and showers. It's a physical thing.

Only for fat birds.

Theta

Members can use the bar and women are not allowed play all the time AFAIK only certain days at certain times.

Prob a Monday morning between 9 and 9.15

WindSock

super_furry wrote: »

Women aren't a minority group.

Minority doesn't just mean numbers.

It can mean wealth, power and influence in society, for example.

WindSock

Zulu wrote: »

Only for fat birds.

Or birds who have had negative and unwanted attention.

Leixlip_Red

Gyalist wrote: »

The strange thing about cases like these is that is usually pussified men - male feminists - who are usually in the forefront of the campaign. The women aren't usually bothered - they have much more pressing things to worry about.

Last week, the big brouhaha in the US was over female White House staff not being invited to play basketball with the President. As usual, the women didn't care but it was other men using it as an excuse to attack the President.

Quick, someone warn Jack Bauer

kincsem

WindSock wrote: »

Why bother letting women play but not give them membership? What are the privilages of membership?

They might be voting in things like lace curtains and cushions and such and such.

Eoin

WindSock wrote: »

Minorities have their own corners, otherwise the mainstream will engulf them. Look at tLL for example. How come there has to be a single forum on this site dedicated to 50 percent of the population (granted that's not boards.ie population) But there still has to be sections where people of certain groups are allowed their voices to evolve without mainstream hinderance.

I still don't see the difference between a men only club and a women only club, using your example.

And more importantly, I don't see the actual problem, other than some irrelevant ideological debate - who exactly has the problem with this? It certainly doesn't seem to be the women who play at Portmarnock. What would be gained by forcing a private club to admit women members?

WindSock wrote: »

What I don't understand is why they are allowed play but not join? Is there some sort of exclusive access to members?

It's a legal technicality as far as I know. As it's just the membership that's exclusive, it means that the principle activity of the club (i.e. golfing) is not discriminatory. The example that was used in this case was that a gay club would not be discrimination, but a gay rugby club would be, as the principle activity is athletic, not association.

robby^5

Women bending over to retrieve their balls, we'd never get a game played if we had to be constantly checking them out.

Warfi

As a representative of women in general, I'd just like to point out that the following:

ads mocking/belittling men
high car insurance
women only clubs
demanding to have membership in Portmarnock club

all exist and are done just to tick men off. No other reason. From birth, all girls are taught how to make men feel as small as possible and are rigorously trained. Did you really think those TV ads were designed to sell as much product as possible? Pfft. Women demanded these ads be made to redress the balance. I personally remember signing the petition when I was three.
And high car insurance isn't down to the person running the company trying to make as much money as possible. No, it's down to those pesky women getting all teary eyed when they're given their quote.
Women only clubs....well that's easy. Women hate men and can't stand the sight of them. It has nothing to do with the fact that women's general appearance is constantly targetted in the media with the message 'If you don't look perfect for men, they'll never be interested in you'.
And demanding membership in Portmarnock club? Once again, they're just doing it to be annoying. Got nothing to do with the fact that the idea is a relic of a time when women were told that they just weren't allowed and that's it.

So just to reiterate, these things are all done just to annoy men. There're no other reasons for it.


Seems to be working a treat too, going by this thread :pac:

Eoin

Warfi wrote: »

And demanding membership in Portmarnock club? Once again, they're just doing it to be annoying. Got nothing to do with the fact that the idea is a relic of a time when women were told that they just weren't allowed and that's it.

You know that this action wasn't brought by any women looking to pay 12K for membership, and that not one complaint has ever been made by a woman being refused membership?

Zulu

WindSock wrote: »

Or birds who have had negative and unwanted attention.

I don't believe you, do you've a link to back up that incredible assertion?

Warfi

eoin wrote: »

You know that this action wasn't brought by any women looking to pay 12K for membership, and that not one complaint has ever been made by a woman being refused membership?

so what's with all the 'Women can feck off with their car insurance/women only clubs/anti men ads/general 'women are a pain in the a*se' rant' for?

WindSock

eoin wrote: »

You know that this action wasn't brought by any women looking to pay 12K for membership, and that not one complaint has ever been made by a woman being refused membership?

Very few women play golf, and fewer again can afford that kind of money. The ones who probably can afford it may not like to be the sort to speak up.

Eoin

Warfi wrote: »

so what's with all the 'Women can feck off with their car insurance/women only clubs/anti men ads/general 'women are a pain in the a*se' rant' for?

As I said earlier, I consider the women-only car insurance things as nothing but a marketing concept and I couldn't care less about them. I have little doubt that the same company will sell me car insurance with different branding.

In fact, maybe you could point out where I was "ranting" about any of those things?

What I don't understand is why it's OK for women to have women-only clubs or societies when it's not OK for men to do so.

WindSock

Zulu wrote: »

I don't believe you, do you've a link to back up that incredible assertion?

Well here's one

Pg.6, 1 in 5 women, as opposed to 1 in 10 men.

I'm sure there are plenty of more reports /stats of you looked.

RandolphEsq

dermot01G wrote: »

Ironically, there is not a great deal going on in Portmarnock Golf Club on a Saturday night...one of the disadvantages of no lady members.

They could set up a 'social membership' for women if quiet Saturdays is a problem

robby^5 wrote: »

Women bending over to retrieve their balls, we'd never get a game played if we had to be constantly checking them out.

Not the type of women that play golf believe me!

eoin wrote: »

Presumably they don't have to pay the 12,000 joining fee, so maybe they're not all that pissed off about it.

Their husbands pay the membership fee so that was never an issue for them!


Women golfers are the ultimate bitchy wagons to everyone. More men only golf clubs ftw!

WindSock

eoin wrote: »

What I don't understand is why it's OK for women to have women-only clubs or societies when it's not OK for men to do so.

Or why it's ok for black people to have MOBO's but white people can't have MOWO's? (or similar in Ireland)

Or people of different ethnicities have their own societies exclusive to their culture, but whites don't?

Or why Gay pride can have a day but straight people don't?

Or why gay people have their own clubs but straight people can't have straights only?

Maybe because the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.

kmick

When the management in Portmarnock heard the bogeys were coming after them they summoned all the legal professions who were members to the bar where they all decided that even though the cause was pointless and facile they would fight the government all the way...just for sport.

This is a victory for common sense and a kick up the asre for redtape and pointless laws. Portmarnock I salute you.

Eoin

WindSock wrote: »

Very few women play golf, and fewer again can afford that kind of money. The ones who probably can afford it may not like to be the sort to speak up.

From the Irish Ladies Golf Union website:
"Golf is the highest participation female sport in Ireland, with almost 60,000 female golfers in the country aged from 8 to 88, playing on a regular basis."

Is it so alien a concept that maybe they just don't give a ****e? And in case you missed my question earlier - what will be gained by forcing private clubs (men only ones, of course) to accept members that they don't want to?

WindSock wrote:

Maybe because the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.

I would argue that the pendulum has swung the other way, especially in the work place.

kmick

WindSock wrote: »

Or why Gay pride can have a day but straight people don't?

We have Paddy's day now come on?

Warfi

eoin wrote: »

As I said earlier, I consider the women-only car insurance things as nothing but a marketing concept and I couldn't care less about them. I have little doubt that the same company will sell me car insurance with different branding.

In fact, maybe you could point out where I was "ranting" about any of those things?

What I don't understand is why it's OK for women to have women-only clubs or societies when it's not OK for men to do so.

I didn't say you were ranting...I was refering to the posts in this thread that ranted about women getting x,y,z while men forlornly look on.

My original post was just pointing out that most women aren't spending their time trying to get back at men for years of 'repression', for want of a better word. Some of the threads in this forum go ape when there's evidence of positive discrimination towards women. It regularly spills over into displays of paranoia

RandolphEsq

WindSock wrote: »

Or why it's ok for black people to have MOBO's but white people can't have MOWO's? (or similar in Ireland)

Black trash isn't acceptable for hill billy black people, but white trash is acceptable for hill billy white people

PeakOutput

WindSock wrote: »

Maybe because the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.

does that make it right?

if a group of guys want to go and hang out or work out without women watching them whats the difference to a group of women doing it? there is none and thinking otherwise is hypocritical and you know it

women can play the golf course as far as i know they can use all the facilities i dont think even curves is that accepting

Stercus Accidit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60t5PVqsSt0

CPT. SURF

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Black trash isn't acceptable for hill billy black people, but white trash is acceptable for hill billy white people

Absolutely. They are called "Blacknecks", and they are alive, well, and thriving in my area. They aint no gangstas either ya hear, amen to jesus

GreeBo

WindSock wrote: »

Very few women play golf, and fewer again can afford that kind of money.

Errr that gets my vote for most sexist comment ever!

Warfi

GreeBo wrote: »

Errr that gets my vote for most sexist comment ever!

If only I could vote :pac:

ejmaztec

Yareli Unimportant Nanny wrote: »

TotalFitness gyms also have a separate area for the fat chics ladies to exercise.

This is a good day for the men of Ireland.

That's reason enough for a separate area, whereas the other ones can remain in full view at all times, especially in the showers.:D

kowloon

GreeBo wrote: »

Errr that gets my vote for most sexist comment ever!

No word of a lie though, all women spend every penny they make on expensive handbags and crap cars with 'friendly faces'. It are fact.
Men spend money on meat and fighting.

Stercus Accidit

kowloon wrote: »

No word of a lie though, all women spend every penny they make on expensive handbags and crap cars with 'friendly faces'. It are fact.
Men spend money on meat and fighting.

If you are very good at fighting one need not spend ones acquired wealth on meat, you can simply take the meat of others.

kowloon

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

If you are very good at fighting one need not spend ones acquired wealth on meat, you can simply take the meat of others.

That's the spirit .

WindSock

Is it so alien a concept that maybe they just don't give a ****e? And in case you missed my question earlier - what will be gained by forcing private clubs (men only ones, of course) to accept members that they don't want to?

No, a lot of women don't give a sht on a lot of things, but that doesn't mean we all are going to get complacent about it. For instance, I think there is still a high amount of misogyny in this country. I see it in this thread and any other thread concerning women in here. I don't think anything will ever be gained by forcing anyone to do any thing they don't want to do, that will only further stoke the fires, imo. And I don't see why the golf club would be different. However, I like to challenge certain attitudes instead and leave a reminder that some of us still feel marginalised on society a lot of the time, or more than we should in this day and age.

eoin wrote: »

From the Irish Ladies Golf Union website:
"Golf is the highest participation female sport in Ireland, with almost 60,000 female golfers in the country aged from 8 to 88, playing on a regular basis."

Yeah but they're probably too busy fighting for gay rights rather than womens' :P

I would argue that the pendulum has swung the other way, especially in the work place.

Not many workplaces are aptly suited to cater for the working mother (or father). It's not written into policy yet. Maternity leave is not a great solution, imo.

You know as well as I do a manager would rather hire a 30 something year old male over a female.

ScumLord

WindSock wrote: »

Or people of different ethnicities have their own societies exclusive to their culture, but whites don't?

They do, when you go over to the UK or US you'll find plenty of Irish or Polish clubs, two pretty white nations.

Or why gay people have their own clubs but straight people can't have straights only?

I don't think gay clubs are exclusively for gay people they're just targeting a gay market.

WindSock

kmick wrote: »

We have Paddy's day now come on?

Paddys day doesn't celebrate 'straightness'

kowloon

WindSock wrote: »

You know as well as I do a manager would rather hire a 30 something year old male over a female.

Not the lecherous feckers I work with.
On the other hand, I've had female bosses who much prefer the boys, which kills any notions of sisterly solidarity.

WindSock

ScumLord wrote: »

They do, when you go over to the UK or US you'll find plenty of Irish or Polish clubs, two pretty white nations.

Yes but that's they consider themselves a different ethnicity to the rest of America.

There are no legitimate Irish clubs here that disallow non-Irish joining.

WindSock

kowloon wrote: »

Not the lecherous feckers I work with.
On the other hand, I've had female bosses who much prefer the boys, which kills any notions of sisterly solidarity.

20 somethings, maybe...

Well business is business, and money is money. Both female and male bosses know women of that age may go off and have kiddies soon.

Dravokivich

T'is a good day to be a man!

- Drav!

Zulu

WindSock wrote: »

Maybe because the straight white middle class male in Ireland is the dominant class and culture and we have to live and abide by that in almost every other aspect of our daily lives.

Thats total horseshit, do you have any proof to back up that total bullshit of a lie?

ballsymchugh

Lux23 wrote: »

That's my thought exactly. Boy though I would love to be the only female member of a gentleman's club, I would have my pick of them every saturday night.

until you pick the one that was mouthing off to all the lads about his syphillis...

stovelid

I, for one, am delighted to see the Supreme Court spending time and tax-payer's money legislating on the burning issues of the day.

Cadiz

5starpool wrote: »

There are loads of women only things in this world too. Big deal.

The big deal is that golf clubs receive state funding. I couldn't care less about a bunch of past it old farts/men with no sex lives etc wanting to keep their club women only, they're welcome to it, but I don't want my taxes/lotto money spent on it.

WindSock

Zulu wrote: »

Thats total horseshit, do you have any proof to back up that total bullshit of a lie?

How about you explain why you think it is horse****. Or was that bull****?

Warfi

Zulu wrote: »

Thats total horseshit, do you have any proof to back up that total bullshit of a lie?

I think Windsock is only debating the point of the thread. There are other ways of responding to a point when you don't agree with it.

MagicMarker

If you state something as fact, generally it's up to you to back it up, not for someone else to disprove your theory.*

*In response to windsock.

edit: Unless you're a Christian of course.

walshb

I've played many a time on golf courses, and it's bad enough being held up by wrinkly old men, who are slow, but the wrinkly old women are far bloody slower.

It's a geriatrics game, but sometimes it takes the piss!

Zulu

WindSock wrote: »

How about you explain why you think it is horse****. Or was that bull****?

So you've got no proof at all, do you?