Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

walshb

SV wrote: »

What, if it contains the word rape in it it should be jail sentence?
That's some odd logic you have going there.

and no, that young would be called child molestation, which is a more serious crime.

How's that odd logic. Simple, rape or statutory rape are crimes and I believe they deserve jail time. How is this odd?

You are correct with the latter part of your post. Usually, the rape of a prepubescent person is termed child molestation

Biggins

Gummy Panda wrote: »

You justify the barbaric acts of a state due to the barbaric acts of an individual?

I get your point.
Saudi Arabia however might argue however that what you deem their single "barbaric" act of ridding their country of this man (in this case), would be right in their eyes due to his many more so "barbaric" acts which are greater in number.

One mans meat is another's poison as they say - what we see as "barbaric" - others see as necessary and not so.
They might be right, they might be wrong - if one is a religious person and get to the gates of heaven/paradise/utopia, only then will we know the true answer to that question.

Till then we/they can only go on what each's society for a given time deems as "barbaric".

...but again, I see your point.

SV

walshb wrote: »

How's that odd logic. Simple, rape or statutory rape are crimes and I believe they deserve jail time. How is this odd?

You are correct with the latter part of your post. Usually, the rape of a prepubescent person is termed child molestation

If you believe that they deserve it yourself personally then that's fair enough.
I don't but that's your own choice.

but to say that just because the crime contains the word rape in it means it deserves a prison sentence is bloody ridiculous.
How about if it's called "carnal knowledge of a minor" as it sometimes is?

genericguy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

You justify the barbaric acts of a state due to the barbaric acts of an individual?

yes.

rehabilitation. does. not. fcuking. work.

Biggins

I'd just like to mention that the criminal might have gotten the tough penalty maybe more so because of the double methods of pure evil he was capable of doing and had done already.
He not just molested one child - he was killing a child too (and maybe others?)

walshb

SV wrote: »

If you believe that they deserve it yourself personally then that's fair enough.
I don't but that's your own choice.

but to say that just because the crime contains the word rape in it means it deserves a prison sentence is bloody ridiculous.
How about if it's called "carnal knowledge of a minor" as it sometimes is?

See, there's that word again, minor. Now, the clue is there.

Borneo Fnctn

I think the man probably deserves to die but why do they have to make such a spectacle of it? It disturbs me that people get satisfaction from seeing a man's mutilated body.

CPT. SURF

Saudia Arabia...Camels, Shish Kabobs, hot weather, cool lookin swords, fossil fuels. They sound like a great bunch of lads tbf

Gummy Panda

genericguy wrote: »

yes.

rehabilitation. does. not. fcuking. work.

says who? you?

Whats your experience in the rehabilitation of sex offenders?

Handsome Bob

Biggins wrote: »

When they are both to the cold high degree that this man as found to be, they should NEVER be let out again.
EVER!
No if's - no buts.

Well I would bloody well hope that someone who raped five kids would get a life sentence.

genericguy wrote: »

well that won't really happen in ireland tbh. they get out, they do it again, and again and their punishment is a cushy number in arbour hill with free food, gym, pool tables and a tv. and of course early release cos they pray to our father who aren't in heaven every night.

That's the problem with prison, when they have so many perks it's hard for them to learn the error of their ways. The more serious the offence, the ****tier their perks should be.

the laws should just be changed so they at least get mandatory life sentences, and so they don't get protection in prison. send them in with anto and deco, tell everyone that they raped somebody and let nature take its course.

Again, throwing them in with Anto and Deco will most likely lead to them making quick work of them. I don't want it to be quick, I want them to have to live with what they did and to understand the consequences of what they did. Personally, if a sibling was murdered, I'd want the **** who did it locked up for life. Seeing him get the death penalty would give me no satisfaction.

when i rise to power though, all rapists will recieve one year sentences, to minimise costs to the tax payer. however, they will have their willies cut off, and will, at the behest of the victim, receive unsupervised, unrecorded weekly visits from an able bodied relative of the victim.

and that is all.

Good luck with that.

SV

walshb wrote: »

See, there's that word again, minor. Now, the clue is there.

I thought your problem was with the word rape?

FruitLover

WTF is the point of crucifying him after beheading him?? He should be left to die of thirst in the desert like those children.

ei.sdraob wrote: »

does the 19 year old here in Ireland who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend deserve beheading as per OPs proposal?

Depends. How many three-year-olds did your guy leave to die of thirst in the desert after raping them?

ei.sdraob wrote: »

all i did was highlight a case here in Ireland (there are many more) to make the OP and other think

A completely incomparable case, as I hope you've realized by now. Otherwise, don't expect to be taken seriously in this thread.

jackpalance wrote: »

It disturbs me that people get satisfaction from seeing a man's mutilated body.

Societal revenge. Helps the psychological healing process.

walshb

SV wrote: »

I thought your problem was with the word rape?

Yeh, that too.

Not really a problem by the way. I think you are making more of it than I.

SV

walshb wrote: »

Yeh, that too.

lol.


so..lets say, a 16 year old girl, due to turn 17 in 15 minutes has sexual intercourse with her just gone 17 year old boyfriend.
Should he be sent to jail?
it is statutory rape after all(that word you don't like :eek:)

walshb

SV wrote: »

lol.


so..lets say, a 16 year old girl, due to turn 17 in 15 minutes has sexual intercourse with her just gone 17 year old boyfriend.
Should he be sent to jail?
it is statutory rape after all(that word you don't like :eek:)

Let's say a 20 year old has sex with a 14 year old?

See where this goes?

SV

walshb wrote: »

Let's say a 20 year old has sex with a 14 year old?

See where this goes?

I do alright.
but do you think that in my example the guy should go to jail?

walshb

SV wrote: »

I do alright.
but do you think that in my example the guy should go to jail?

I can see your point and I agree with it; but the law is the law, and a line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise, the law may as well not exist at all.

minidazzler

walshb wrote: »

Let's say a 20 year old has sex with a 14 year old?

See where this goes?

Prison that's where it goes. But NOT the same situation as the first post. Now the thread is just getting OT and it's annoying with all the Hypotheticals.

walshb

minidazzler wrote: »

Prison that's where it goes. But NOT the same situation as the first post. Now the thread is just getting OT and it's annoying with all the Hypotheticals.

So bow out then?

genericguy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

says who? you?

Whats your experience in the rehabilitation of sex offenders?

get out there and look at the rates of re-offending yourself, both in terms of sexual offences and crimes in general. they're very freely available. and they ain't pretty. i get off my hole and read up on things before i rant, why can't you pinkos do it too?

walshb

Sex offenders usually do and will offend again. Now, to be a sex offender can be quite ambiguous. A person who is convicted of rape in a court may never rape again, or indeed, may not have raped in the first place. Many times, it is a case of a jury or judge believing the woman over the man, and the man may not have even raped her.

dlofnep

Other people have been executed there for apostasy according to that. That's f*cking retarded.

Still - That rapist deserves everything he gets.

Onearmedbandit

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SV wrote: »

lol.


so..lets say, a 16 year old girl, due to turn 17 in 15 minutes has sexual intercourse with her just gone 17 year old boyfriend.
Should he be sent to jail?
it is statutory rape after all(that word you don't like :eek:)

Will you stop going on about statutory rape like it is relevant to the OP's argument?

The case the OP was talking about a scumbag who raped and murdered children, it wasn't statutory rape (which in your above example would involve consent) and had nothing to do with statutory rape.

The OP's original argument was that in cases like the one mentioned in Arabia (extreme circumstances involving multiple acts of heinous crimes) deserve a sentence as harsh as the one put down and I agree with it.

I think you are going off-topic.

Ghost Train

minidazzler wrote: »

Prison that's where it goes.

But if there married, in saudi arabia its fine. wikipedia says "Saudi clerics have justified the marriage of girls as young as 9"

I wouldn't be in favour of the death penalty. Reading about the laws in Saudi Arabia it seems pretty extreme. Do think child murders and serial killers deserve the most severe punishments, but still think a line should be drawn at taking someone life

The public display thing just seems barbaric to me

SV

Onearmedbandit wrote: »

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Will you stop going on about statutory rape like it is relevant to the OP's argument?

The case the OP was talking about a scumbag who raped and murdered children, it wasn't statutory rape (which in your above example would involve consent) and had nothing to do with statutory rape.

The OP's original argument was that in cases like the one mentioned in Arabia (extreme circumstances involving multiple acts of heinous crimes) deserve a sentence as harsh as the one put down and I agree with it.

I think you are going off-topic.

Would you ever read the thread and realise that I wasn't the one who started the retarded comparison

edit: and also that I agree with theOP./

Borneo Fnctn

FruitLover wrote: »

Societal revenge. Helps the psychological healing process.

Yeah call it whatever you want.

SV

walshb wrote: »

But you were the first one to use the word statutory, were you not?

I'm sorry for calling the case what it was.
The person who started the comparison introduced that case arguing it was the same as the case in the OP.

super_furry

What if it's a false conviction?

Onearmedbandit

SV wrote: »

Would you ever read the thread and realise that I wasn't the one who started the retarded comparison

edit: and also that I agree with theOP./

Apologies, I was getting sick of seeing statutory being mentioned and compared to what the original scumbag did.

Gummy Panda

genericguy wrote: »

get out there and look at the rates of re-offending yourself, both in terms of sexual offences and crimes in general. they're very freely available. and they ain't pretty. i get off my hole and read up on things before i rant, why can't you pinkos do it too?

who is a pinko?

Where is your 100% re-offending rate? is it ireland, us, uk, germany, etc? So every different attempt/theory of rehabilitation has failed?

I usually post a link to the facts before i make a definite statement.