Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

Ghost Train

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

A just punishment for the crimes committed.

a barbaric punishment in general :shrug:

FruitLover

hooradiation wrote: »

all that other terrible stuff they do to isn't negated just because this one time, they totally murdered the shit out of that one pedophile.

Good thing nobody said it was, then, isn't it.

Gummy Panda

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

Little boys, raped and murdered, and you want to defend the culprit? Wow...

I don't see him defending the rapist. I thought he was defending our society's views on taking a life.

irish_bob

had it been adult women he raped , the women would have been crucified along with him

when a woman is raped in saudi arabia , she gets punished

Acacia

I'm all for harsher sentences on child rapists, but that punishment's a bit too well biblical for my liking, I have to say.

walshb

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

Little boys, raped and murdered, and you want to defend the culprit? Wow...

Care to point out exactly where the poster seems to be defending the culprit, because I cannot see it at all.

Daroxtar

walshb wrote: »

I mean, if you can be jailed for not paying a tv licence, then I think any crime
with the word rape in it should be also a jail sentence.


Technically, the sexual assault or rape of a two or three year old "could" be deemed statutory. Again, this is jail time

"Man accused of putting Rape seed oil into diesel engine"---Jail time?:)

Also, there is a law that makes the age of the offender relative to that of the victim. Half your own age, add 6. Its just not legal statue.

And the rape of a 2 year old is not statutory. Do you think he/ she might have been asking for it?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

walshb wrote: »

Care to point out exactly where the poster seems to be defending the culprit, because I cannot see it at all.

Defending the punishment dealt is defending the criminal. He deserves every single ounce of pain he got, and I hope it was a long and painful death.

Ghost Train wrote: »

a barbaric punishment in general :shrug:

A very very just punishment. Personally I would have done it differantly. He would never have been turned in

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I don't see him defending the rapist. I thought he was defending our society's views on taking a life.

It's very similar in my eyes. People defending another "persons" life, when said "person" took the lives of young children in the cruelist of ways, is not right. That "person" should be killed, removed from society and not further burden society by let live in jail. Costing the parents of the raped and murdered children even more pain and suffering. Imagine paying for your childs rapists upkeep?

walshb wrote: »

Technically, the sexual assault or rape of a two or three year old "could" be deemed statutory. Again, this is jail time

What? No it cannot be deemed statutory. There's a thing called common sense used in these cases, a 2 year old does not have the ability to consent to sexual intercourse, regardless of what you may think...

walshb

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

Defending the punishment dealt is defending the criminal. He deserves every single ounce of pain he got, and I hope it was a long and painful death.

Don't you mean condemning the punishment? You seem to have a habit of jumping in with both feet

Dudess

I just wouldn't like a state to have the power to stoop to the depths of depravity, that's all. But in the parallel universe that is After Hours reasoned thinking, that means I support and sympathise with the most debauched of criminals, and consider counselling a suitable punishment, of course along with time spent in a hotel-like prison complete with games console, DVDs, flatscreen TV, Sky Digital, a personal trainer, gym, pool table, etc...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

walshb wrote: »

Don't you mean condemning the punishment? You seem to have a habit of jumping in with both feet

You have a babit of being wrong.

Condemning the punishment, is just the same as defending it. The fact that one would condemn this type of punishment to such a piece of scum like this man is not right. He got a very very just punishment considering his crimes. If anything, he was let off lightly.

walshb

Dudess wrote: »

punishment, of course along with time spent in a hotel-like prison complete with games console, DVDs, flatscreen TV, Sky Digital, a personal trainer, gym, pool table, etc...

I doubt those jails exist in Saudi, you are mixing it up with Ireland.;)

You also forgot to mention they also get free education and can learn a trade

walshb

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

You have a babit of being wrong.

Condemning the punishment, is just the same as defending it. The fact that one would condemn this type of punishment to such a piece of scum like this man is not right. He got a very very just punishment considering his crimes. If anything, he was let off lightly.

I'm lost.

Defending the punishment is NOT the same as condemning it.

Defending the punishment means one is agreeing with it and approves of it.

At least I think it does

The_Kew_Tour

Look the bottom line is that this man has raped young kids. for me he is a danger to society and may do harm again.

I think on this occassion the sentence is correct decision.

A good friend of mine was raped several years ago the man was free after a poor six months and he ended up raping three more women putting one in coma.

We need to be severe but also look at both sides and most important have to think and ask "Will this perosn do such an act again" if yes then options like one in OP have to be taught for.

oppenheimer1

A Doozer wrote: »

I was thinking about that on the way to work. Not that particular case but how the legal/judicial world have turned. If someone breaks into your home you should be able to beat six shades of snot out of them without getting sued.

This is one line that is often trotted out, has it ever happened here in Ireland? Can you give examples.. Thought you couldn't.

In fact, if I recall correctly, someone got off with shooting an intruder in the back as he was running away

Sheeps

BroomBurner wrote: »

It's the easy way out for scum.

How is being killed an easy way out? It's the end of the road, dead, game over. At least in jail you're still alive.


As for the OP, what happens in when you have some bird who gets locked and shags some miger she takes home from the club and decides she regrets it in the morning and accuses him of rape. It's happened before.

The_Kew_Tour

Sheeps wrote: »

How is being killed an easy way out? It's the end of the road, dead, game over. At least in jail you're still alive.


As for the OP, what happens in when you have some bird who gets locked and shags some miger she takes home from the club and decides she regrets it in the morning and accuses him of rape. It's happened before.

this is about kids as young as 3 not girl on night out who be least 18

Sheeps

adrian280582 wrote: »

this is about kids as young as 3 not girl on night out who be least 18

It doesn't matter what age they accuser is, the possibility exists that the accusations could be false.

Dinner

Barbaric act, for a number of reasons. First there is the execution itself something which I don't agree with but if done correctly there is still at least some dignity remaining within humanity.
Second there is the method of execution, pointless, bloody, barbaric. Beheading does nothing that a lethal injection can't do. And before anybody says it will deter people, will it? Has it ever? Truth is, it won't.
Third there is the crucifiction, another pointless barbaric act. The guy is dead, to do anything more is just going to degrade humanity.

the guy was scum of the highest order, without a doubt. And I don't for even 1 minute defend or condone this guy, but I cannoth condone any execution, let alone one as pointless and bloody as this.

And to everyone baying for blood and yelling *rabble*, how shit would you feel if a guy executed in this manner was found to be innocent? Rather a million guilty men walk free than 1 innocent man is executed.

It sickens me that as a society we still feel the need to become animals in order to punish animals.

davyjose

Jesus lads, get over it. If you rape and murder kids, then no punishment is too extreme for you

/thread

EI111

Biggins wrote: »

The seven-year-old - who escaped unharmed - helped identify the culprit.

An investigation was launched after a 25-year-old father reported that his three-year-old son was missing and that he suspected the kidnapper to be a male driver of a white four-wheel drive vehicle.

Doesn't sound like the most solid evidence to decapitate somebody on

Pace2008

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

Little boys, raped and murdered, and you want to defend the culprit? Wow...

As always, the witch-hunting mob creates false dilemmas - if you're against the idea of crucifixion and mutilation as a form of retribution, you're in support of child rapists.

Condemning the punishment, is just the same as defending it.

And again; does this actually constitute logic in your head or are you just an astute AH troll?

jif wrote: »

would it not work better if the crucifixion came first then after a day or two the beheading thing.

WTF is the point of crucifying him after beheading him?? He should be left to die of thirst in the desert like those children.

Abhorrent.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

walshb wrote: »

I'm lost.

Defending the punishment is NOT the same as condemning it.

Defending the punishment means one is agreeing with it and approves of it.

At least I think it does

Right, if you don't agree with a punishment, that's fair enough, but no doubt the pro-lifers would be all for sending this man to jail, for an eternity. While good people pay for his clothes, shelter, heating and food for the rest of his life.

There are some punishments that are quite unjust, such as jail time for not paying for your TV license.

Then there are punishments which are extremely just, death to a man for raping infants and children.

Think about it for a moment, this man, took young boys and raped them, then let them wander in the desert for them to roast alive under the very hot sun. This man was a monster, he deserved death. Whichever way it was dealt to him too.

Pace2008 wrote: »

As always, the witch-hunting mob creates false dilemmas - if you're against the idea of crucifixion and mutilation as a form of retribution, you're in support of child rapists.

Not quite, but why would you want to defend this piece of scum in any way? Why? The "he has a right to life" argument simply doesn't cut it in this case. Those children also had a right to life, he took that from them and more.

And again; does this actually constitute logic in your head or are you just an astute AH troll?

If you believe I am trolling, report it. I am not, I do have controversial beliefs that some pro-lifers get quite crazy over...

Dave!

Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking.


What a country... Spot on...

The_Kew_Tour

Sheeps wrote: »

It doesn't matter what age they accuser is, the possibility exists that the accusations could be false.

but if its 100% proven that he is guilty then what?

The_Kew_Tour

Dave! wrote: »

Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking.


What a country... Spot on...

Jeez if this was case here there be about million people gone so

timmy69

Alana Shallow Stirrup wrote: »

While good people pay for his clothes, shelter, heating and food for the rest of his life.

No Taxes in Saudi Arabia, point taken though.

uprising

My name is URL wrote: »

No, it's barbaric

so are their stoning laws, watch a video and get perspective

We live in a society where taking a life is not tolerated, be it under law or not

I like it here.. that's just my opinion

It is barbaric, I've seen stoning video's, but if one of those kids were yours I'm sure you'd be all for it.
Actually I'd be all for a drawn out torture on this cuunt, toe's and fingers one day along with a whipping and salt thrown on for good measure, next day a bit more, half his manhood and slice his scrotum, let his balls dangle out for a few days, more salt, feet and hands next, an ear and nose, hot poker up his hole and another in his ear.
A beheading or stoning is too good for this piece of filth.

brendansmith

OP the Saudi Arabian justice system is leaps and bounds ahead of that of the western world.

I pray to my god and to the gods of my family everyday for a bout 6 hours that Brian Cowen will implement it here in Ireland.

Bandit12

Good enough for him.

Biggins

EI111 wrote: »

Doesn't sound like the most solid evidence to decapitate somebody on

I suspect there was more evidence than just that.
If there wasn't, I'd be one of the first to object to the eventual outcome.

They are known to have their own forensic labs (for example) themselves - in a country where funding money towards them is no problem!
A lot of their laws (by our standards) might be considered out of date but I've no doubt they are not that backward (if at all) when it comes to evidence gathering - despite what American :rolleyes: movie films try and portray them as sometimes!

ei.sdraob

speaking of Americans...

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/67521672.html

SEATTLE -- A man and his ex-wife are accused of sexually abusing a 4-year-old girl and streaming the abuse live on the Internet.

Brian K. Beston, 36, of Kent, and Hollie Beston, 31, of Burien, have each been charged with first-degree child rape, first-degree child molestation, exploitation of a minor and dealing in depictions of a minor engaged in sexually-explicit conduct.

According to the statement of probable cause, the two abused the girl between June 2009 and Oct. 23, 2009, and sent child pornography to another accused child molester in San Diego whom they met online.

It was FBI agents investigating the San Diego suspect who brought the Bestons' case to the attention of Seattle police.

Porkpie

If Bob Dylan had his way, everybody would be stoned.

DaveSlats

Yes, but it doesn't really matter how good their labs are, or how well funded the justice system.

Mistakes get made and because of that, rather than any moral imperative, the death penalty is to be avoided.

I believe that the sentencing judge in the case of the Birmingham Six lamented the fact that he was unable to issue a death sentence.

There have been 90 or so death row pardons in the USA on the basis of new evidence or improved forensic techniques. Almost certainly innocent people have been killed there.

Unless you think that is a price worth paying, capital punishment is a no go.

Biggins

Porkpie wrote: »

If Bob Dylan had his way, everybody would be stoned.

Drugs or rocks?

hooradiation

DaveSlats wrote: »

Yes, but it doesn't really matter how good their labs are, or how well funded the justice system.

Mistakes get made and because of that, rather than any moral imperative, the death penalty is to be avoided.

Don't bring that up! It really shits on the whole "torture them until i feel better about myself" parade.

Showing people the faulty premised on which they build their torture fantasies tends to get them awful rilled.

OutlawPete

brendansmith wrote: »

I pray to my god and to the gods of my family everyday for a bout 6 hours that Brian Cowen will implement it here in Ireland.

It's pretty barbaric don't you think to plant bombs in pubs a blow dozens of people to smithereens. How do you feel people like that should be punished?

In the UK in the 70's people like yourself were screaming for hanging to be brought back cause of all those murders.

Thank God they didn't.

Of course the guy in the OP's post seemed to have committed some horrendous crimes but that does that mean we should then lower ourselves to his level and slice him up?

The guy is obviousily sick. Do you really want to live in a world were we murder people for committing crimes even if they are deemed to be inhuman?

It amazes me that as a society we tell our children that violence doesn't solve anything and then on the news we are bombing fellow humans to bits and then try and justify it.

Violence is violence. Evil is evil.

To me strapping some guy to a table and sticking a needle in him to end his life is evil too - just in a different form. Tying a 22 year old to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after he is decapitated by a professional swordsman is barbaric.

speedboatchase

Genuine Q - why is ONLY for people that rape/kill kids do people want the criminal to be poured into molten lava etc? Why is the vitriol only reserved for cases that involve only victims of a certain age? Personally I think Saudi Arabia is a backward, disgusting hellhole though I wouldn't be completely opposed to capital punishment. The way I see is if someone is absolutely proven guilty of commiting horrible acts of injustice then the "jail is the worst kind of punishment for them" argument doesn't really hold up - a lot of criminals thrive on their status in jail their crimes afford whilst the cost of accomodating the criminal and even U.S penalities like lethal injection are quite expensive. If they were brought out on the jail grounds and shot in the back of the head I wouldn't lose any sleep over it whatsoever

ei.sdraob

despite death penalty and having the largest % of population behind bars

the US is still a violent place

there are plenty of studies that show death penalty doesn't deter or even lower the occurrence of serious crimes

OutlawPete

ei.sdraob wrote: »

there are plenty of studies that show death penalty doesn't deter or even lower the occurrence of serious crimes

Yeah, sure you only have to watch those shows on Sky of the Maximum Security Prisons and you see that it's a crazy place where fear is the number one currency. The murder rate in one prison I seen was higher than in some states.

speedboatchase

ei.sdraob wrote: »

despite death penalty and having the largest % of population behind bars

the US is still a violent place

there are plenty of studies that show death penalty doesn't deter or even lower the occurrence of serious crimes

Well that wouldn't be why I'd be an advocate for it. Personally I don't care what happens to a convicted multiple paedo, rapist, murderer. Some people waive their right to exist IMO and I don't really want my taxes going towards them in any way. I used to be anti-death penalty so I'd be aware of the main arguments "worse for them being treated like crap in prison/the governments doesn't have right to take a life/doesn't deter people".

Penn & Teller said that basically support for capital punishment comes down to "Are you okay with the government killing people in your name?". It's an interesting perspective and not something one can easily answer, but I honestly wouldn't care if they did it so long as there wasn't a shred of innocence or doubt and depending on the severity of the crime

DaveSlats

It actually costs more to execute somebody in the US than to keep them in prison for life.

I think the figure for legal costs through the entire appeals process (all appeals are automatic in capital cases) is about $4 million on average.

So, your tax dollars are just going to lawyers.

Happy now?

JupiterKid

The death penalty is always, always wrong. The planned execution in Saudi Arabia is utterly barbaric and doesn't surprise me about that country. It is a backward, Medieval hellhole.

Raping and killing children is one of the most henious and sick crimes there is.

But so also is execution IMO. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of backward neanderthals come out of the woodwork on the AH forum. Just look at some of the sexist, misogynistic sentiments expressed in rsponse ot the Portarnock Golf Club ruling.

timmy69

DaveSlats wrote: »

Yes, but it doesn't really matter how good their labs are, or how well funded the justice system.

kincsem wrote: »

Would an immigrant worker and a member of their royal family be treated equally by their justice system?

Executions never take place until, there are witnesses, confessions or strong evidence to suggest the crime. A full investigation and then trial takes place AFAIK. How it works is, if they even have a slight doubt on the guilt, the suspect then just rots in jail.

In 1970, King Faisal was shot and killed by his nephew on live Television and an audience, was tried, found guilty and then beheaded link.

Biggins

JupiterKid wrote: »

...It never ceases to amaze me the amount of backward neanderthals come out of the woodwork on the AH forum. Just look at some of the sexist, misogynistic sentiments expressed in rsponse ot the Portarnock Golf Club ruling.

Ooo thats a hell of far wide insulting comment!
That's really civilised thinking in response right there...
(not!)

I wonder would us "backward neanderthals" use such civilised language - there again as we are ALL here on AH, we probably would by Jupiderkids far spectrum tainting!

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

Ooo thats a hell of far wide insulting comment!
That's really civilised thinking in response right there...
(not!)

I wonder would us "backward neanderthals" use such civilised language - there again as we are ALL here on AH, we probably would by Jupiderkids far spectrum tainting!

Will you be including Capital Punishment in your agenda when you enter Politics?

Biggins

My name is URL wrote: »

Will you be including Capital Punishment in your agenda when you enter Politics?

No.
As I have mentioned clearly in a a post (49) back, "I agree with it on an emotional level!"
In practical terms - as errors can be made, we should take the road perhaps harder to travel sometimes (given human emotions involved) and simply put away for ENTIRE life, such evil scumbags.

genericguy

why does nobody ever see that by executing murderers, the justice system is preventing the loss of innocent lives?

barbaric or not, these crimes command desperate measures.

pinkos - if somebody came up to you in the street and said "i'm going to rape your arse and kill your family unless you kill me", what would you do?

Biggins

genericguy wrote: »

...if somebody came up to you in the street and said "i'm going to rape your arse and kill your family unless you kill me", what would you do?

Find a way to disable the use of his hands in between meal times?
No able hands (and I'm not advocating removing them), no terrible crimes committed!
(Ok, I am not being practical here but its a better thought than other things that can be done.)

Realistically, I'd wait and guard my family.
If I saw such a person come after them, then I would do what it takes to keep them alive.

Gummy Panda

genericguy wrote: »

pinkos - if somebody came up to you in the street and said "i'm going to rape your arse and kill your family unless you kill me", what would you do?

There is a difference between immediate self defense and planned execution.

All the people calling for the death penalty here, how many would exactly take the position of state executioner?