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Patton Flyer (mod warning post #404) SEE POST #659 ALSO

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    #722
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    To be honest though, what has happened in this whole thread, and the whole saga with Trevor Patton, kind of sums up exactly what is wrong with the department of transport perfectly. They caused this mess themselves and have no idea what the hell to do anymore it seems.


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    #723
    DalkeyResident
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭DalkeyResident


    Justice has been done, from what I have heard in Dalkey, Trevor has been handed the license from today, after the Aircoach one expired yesterday.

    The other good news is now the service is legal, I hear that Aircoach will be stopped from operating from the stops on their Greystones route which conflict with Trevor Patton's legal service, soon it looks like this British owned company may well be on their way out of Ireland, which is no more than they deserve.


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    #724
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    -Chris- wrote: »

    DalkeyResident, you keep repeating the same racist or xenophobic sentiments and they will no longer be tolerated.

    If you continue with this train of discussion, you will be banned or infracted as appropriate.
    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    Justice has been done, from what I have heard in Dalkey, Trevor has been handed the license from today, after the Aircoach one expired yesterday.

    The other good news is now the service is legal, I hear that Aircoach will be stopped from operating from the stops on their Greystones route which conflict with Trevor Patton's legal service, soon it looks like this British owned company may well be on their way out of Ireland, which is no more than they deserve.


    See you in a week.


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    #725
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    I have heard rumours that Patton has received the license that he was looking for. If this is the case, I am confused as to how two private operators can have a license for identical routes.:confused:

    Apologies, I didn't realise they were returning with a licence.


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    #726
    Ham'nd'egger
    Registered Users Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭Ham'nd'egger


    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    Justice has been done, from what I have heard in Dalkey, Trevor has been handed the license from today, after the Aircoach one expired yesterday.

    I doubt if that guy had a dog licence never mind one for a bus.


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    #727
    Robus
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭Robus


    I just noticed a window was smashed on one of the two buses that have been parked up (ditched) in a housing estate in Dalkey for the last few weeks, probably haloween kids last night but may help them to find more appropiate (and safer ) parking


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    #728
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    To be honest I'm not sure these rumours have any foundation, as from looking around the only word that has been about him getting a license has been from that newsletter, and that is only hearsay in an advert rather than a clear statement that it will be coming back.


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    #729
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    devnull wrote: »
    To be honest I'm not sure these rumours have any foundation, as from looking around the only word that has been about him getting a license has been from that newsletter, and that is only hearsay in an advert rather than a clear statement that it will be coming back.
    all the rumour about this character and company so far has been just that, speculation based on advertisements in a local free paper.


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    #730
    Rock Steady Edy
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    Personally, am very happy with the Aircoach service and would be happy to write a letter of support.

    The rear axles on the Patton Flyers always sounded like they were about to crack at any minute.

    I would find it difficult to believe that Aircoach were only given a 1 year licence.


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    #731
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    how can Patton even get a licence, you have to be "in good standing" with the Gardai, he cannot possibly be since he has already flaunted the law for years

    :confused::confused::confused:


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    #732
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    how can Patton even get a licence, you have to be "in good standing" with the Gardai, he cannot possibly be since he has already flaunted the law for years

    :confused::confused::confused:
    the same guards that give convicted criminals taxi licences!


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    #733
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,304 ✭✭✭markpb


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    the same guards that give convicted criminals taxi licences!

    That's not true. The Gardai objected, the prospective taxi driver took them to court saying that they were denying his right to earn a living and the court ruled in his favour.


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    #734
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Rock Steady Edy wrote: »
    Personally, am very happy with the Aircoach service and would be happy to write a letter of support.

    The rear axles on the Patton Flyers always sounded like they were about to crack at any minute.

    I would find it difficult to believe that Aircoach were only given a 1 year licence.

    All licenses are for a year, Normally the holder is able to renew them without any trouble.

    I suspect the speculation may come from here:
    http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp?id=12487&lang=ENG&loc=1701

    As the list, last updated in June, shows the majority of public transport licenses are up for renewal at the end of October.


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    #735
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I see yesterday Aircoach announced their service is changing to serve Killiney and Terminal 2 along with Royal Marine Hotel now listed also. Seems the second stop in Dalkey has now been dropped:
    http://www.aircoach.ie/news.article.php?ID=255


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    #736
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    So both licence will continue now?

    Apart from some miss placed patriotic custom for the Patton Flyer I really cannot see how he can compete with Aircoach along this route? Their new timetable retains all the stops they previously had...

    How exactly do they plan on getting buses up to and into the Castle? Up Barnhill and Killiney Rd? Pretty tight along there for a full size coach plus not the easiest access to the hotel itself.


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    #737
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Does Patton actually have a license or is that just hearsay?

    The fact that they have two stops for each terminal, seems to suggest that there will be a second lot of bus stops in terminal 2 when it opens, as opposed to everyone going over to Terminal 1 as I believed would happen.

    To be fair though, they have dropped the Ulverton Road stop as of today, although that was an additional stop that Patton never had himself anyway.


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    #738
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    website is dead:
    Google search wrote:
    H-SPHERE. Account suspended. Account for domain www.thepattonflyer.ie has been suspended. Powered by H-Sphere.


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    #739
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I know it was saying that before, but it isn't anymore.


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    #740
    KC61
    Registered Users Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    devnull wrote: »
    Does Patton actually have a license or is that just hearsay?

    The fact that they have two stops for each terminal, seems to suggest that there will be a second lot of bus stops in terminal 2 when it opens, as opposed to everyone going over to Terminal 1 as I believed would happen.

    To be fair though, they have dropped the Ulverton Road stop as of today, although that was an additional stop that Patton never had himself anyway.

    I assume that the Ulverton Road stop is dropped as the buses will be heading north along Hyde Road and it would be impossible to do both.

    I note however that for the return journey coaches will start at Terminal 1 and then loop around to Terminal 2 before proceeding to Dalkey. A rather convoluted route around the airport.


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    #741
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I would imagine it is due to the fact from when Terminal 2 opens, the majority of airlines will still be departing from terminal 1, although over the first few weeks I read Aer Lingus and the transatlantic will gradually switch across.


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    #742
    DalkeyResident
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭DalkeyResident


    Really, at the end of the day it's all going to be immaterial soon when Trevor comes back and takes this route and Aircoach have no license for it.

    It is interesting though that they are now main streaming this route, removing the local stop in Dalkey, and instead copying Trevor's old stop in Killiney.

    An interesting document -seems they are in court against the revenue commissioner:
    http://www.supremecourt.ie/legaldiary.nsf/70d3eb4d55f1758f802571d200423cbd/028c72cccbd0d1918025777a005e42bb?OpenDocument


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    #743
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    YAWN- Reported.


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    #744
    DalkeyResident
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭DalkeyResident


    What? I have not done anything wrong?

    Just posting something that is in the public domain?

    Honestly do you work for Aircoach? Same with you Cookie Monster?


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    #745
    KC61
    Registered Users Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    devnull wrote: »
    I would imagine it is due to the fact from when Terminal 2 opens, the majority of airlines will still be departing from terminal 1, although over the first few weeks I read Aer Lingus and the transatlantic will gradually switch across.

    The point I am making is would it not make more sense to start at Terminal 2 and then serve terminal 1 before going to Dalkey? This route means that passengers from Terminal 1 will have to do a 360 degree loop before getting out of the airport.

    However, I'm not sure if the new road layout will permit traffic from T2 arrivals to T1 arrivals.


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    #746
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    Same with you Cookie Monster?

    no, I don't. whatever gave you that idea?


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    #747
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    KC61 wrote: »
    The point I am making is would it not make more sense to start at Terminal 2 and then serve terminal 1 before going to Dalkey? This route means that passengers from Terminal 1 will have to do a 360 degree loop before getting out of the airport.

    However, I'm not sure if the new road layout will permit traffic from T2 arrivals to T1 arrivals.

    To be fair I have no idea, I didn't even know there was going to be a second lot of bus stops until I read that, as there has been no notice of anywhere where they would be on any maps on the Dublin Airport website.

    There may even be a third, though as the Aircoach website references T2 departures as well as arrivals. Would be nice to see a map to see what services are stopping at what areas as there is going to be confusion, I would have expected the DAA to sort this out already.


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    #748
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    What? I have not done anything wrong?

    Just posting something that is in the public domain?

    Honestly do you work for Aircoach? Same with you Cookie Monster?

    No - if you read this thread and my posts, you will see that I am clearly not related to them, I am someone who uses their services quite a few times a year, but that is it. I also use several other operators and mostly Dublin Bus.

    Also the link you provided means nothing - for all you know, it could be Aircoach who have taken action against the revenue commission - nobody knows, but you can't go making accusations and unsubstantiated claims like you did originally before editing your post unless you want to put yourself in a very dodgy position.


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    #749
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    What? I have not done anything wrong?

    Just posting something that is in the public domain?

    Honestly do you work for Aircoach? Same with you Cookie Monster?
    honestly dalkeyresident you are not doing trevor patton any favours by making his company look like a throwback from the auld days of burn everything british except their coal, it makes you out to be a bigot and sectarian and a common thug.


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    #750
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    Whoa, whoa, whoa.

    If you have an issue with a specific post, report it. We'll look at it and decide if there's an issue.

    If there's an issue with a particular poster, bring it to the attention of the mods.

    The rule is "attack the post, not the poster". Don't start making personal accusations/attacks.

    Cease and desist please!


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    #751
    Rock Steady Edy
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    Really, at the end of the day it's all going to be immaterial soon when Trevor comes back and takes this route and Aircoach have no license for it.

    Presumably Aircoach would not have extended the route if they did not have a licence not only for the extension, but for the original part too.
    DalkeyResident wrote: »
    It is interesting though that they are now main streaming this route, removing the local stop in Dalkey, and instead copying Trevor's old stop in Killiney.

    You might remember that only about 6 of Trevor's buses per day served Killiney, Aircoach are sending all 29 there. You might also remember that The Fitzpatrick Hotel recommended Aircoach from Dalkey even when both services were running, so they may prefer you didn't call it "Trevor's" stop. And presumably they reckon 29 services a day to and from the airport is rather a good selling point to customers.


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