Letter from chief super

Greenacre

No problem, the sport has had a lot of mud thrown at it lately and i'm probably overly defensive!

xesse

sorry b,man but i disagree with you on this one
IF everyone shot competition that their pistols and took part in nationals and the like i think the sport would have grown just as healthy as shotgun classes
if the sport was that big i personally dont think we would be in this mess to begin with:mad::mad::mad:

Bananaman wrote: »

I, personally, do not see 'competing' as a pre-requisite.

Taking part in ad-hoc target practice and informal competitions within your club should be sufficient 'use'.

You should not be required to compete on a national or international level in order to be seen to be 'target shooting'.

B'Man

xesse

i dont think you know enough about the sport to comment about c/f pistols if you say that you have never seen a 9mm pistol designed for paper punching:mad:
maybe you should visit a few WA1500 competitions
or google a sig 226 X6 or a CZ75TS
Or even a s+w 686 universal champion
Or merkle tuning
9x19 is designed for military use...so what
.223 is a nato round ... should i give up my hunting rifle too??

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

Sorry to say, it must be devastating to the owner but

Just looking at the letter...I must agree to the C.S.I's point of view...Who really needs a 9mm bullet to put a hole through a sheet of paper...?

Or would we have a situation where bears charging at you and your rifle is jammed or empty...?

Double barrel shotguns, bolt action rifles are primarily designed for hunting.

.22 target pistols are designed to put holes on paper...

but...

9mm Berettas are not...9x19mm are NATO rounds...designated for military use...

I was initially awed to see large calibre handguns circulating in the market...

shannonpowerlab

xesse wrote: »

i dont think you know enough about the sport to comment about c/f pistols if you say that you have never seen a 9mm pistol designed for paper punching:mad:
maybe you should visit a few WA1500 competitions
or google a sig 226 X6 or a CZ75TS
Or even a s+w 686 universal champion
Or merkle tuning
9x19 is designed for military use...so what
.223 is a nato round ... should i give up my hunting rifle too??

Maybe I will.

xesse

the NASRPC has their full callander on the website

shannonpowerlab wrote: »

Maybe I will.

shannonpowerlab

I must agree.

Mertle Tuning defenitely looks like a purpose made paper punching machine...

rowa

to be honest i can't believe some of the statements i've seen here , if you have no interest in pistols and pistol shooting thats fine , just stay out of it and stay quiet please . why stir things up anymore than it is already , talk about divide and conquer :mad:

shannonpowerlab

To everyone in pistol shooting sport who has been offended by my comments, I sicerely apologise.

Rovi

Right, can we now draw a line under this particular line of discussion, and get back to the original subject of the thread?

meathshooter

xesse wrote: »

sorry b,man but i disagree with you on this one
IF everyone shot competition that their pistols and took part in nationals and the like i think the sport would have grown just as healthy as shotgun classes
if the sport was that big i personally dont think we would be in this mess to begin with:mad::mad::mad:

it wasn't giving a chance to grow it was used for political gain by Dermot ahern Fianna fail and the commissioner on their failings to tackle crime and I bet you will see them in the papers with a big pile of sporting firearms that where revoked as a smokescreen implying to Joe soaps the streets are safer now
but who are they fooling

Darr

Perhaps it would be better to prune this rather unsavory thread , it makes for bad reading and certainly does nothing for the image of shooters of ANY class .

I don’t know if it’s possible but the comments that started all this and the following ones are not something I would miss .

Darr

meathshooter

it has gone a bit of a stray alright back to the op subject letter from chief as of yet i havnt heard a word about my 9mm pistol have got 2 letters of payment for shotgun/.308 still waiting for 223/243/9mm

Cass

I agree the thread has gone way off topic but i make no apology for defending slanderous accusations against my sport.

That said back to the OP.

Medicman, tell your friend to lodge an appeal. If they see he is serious and will not fall at the first hurdle they may be more willing to bend. I know the letter he got is a refusal and not a "not satisfactory letter" so appealing to the Chief Super may be a waste of time as in his mind the decision is made and the matter closed.

Seek help from his NGBs.

rowa

ezridax wrote: »

I agree the thread has gone way off topic but i make no apology for defending slanderous accusations against my sport.

That said back to the OP.

Medicman, tell your friend to lodge an appeal. If they see he is serious and will not fall at the first hurdle they may be more willing to bend. I know the letter he got is a refusal and not a "not satisfactory letter" so appealing to the Chief Super may be a waste of time as in his mind the decision is made and the matter closed.

Seek help from his NGBs.

would it not be worth just talking to the chief super , at least if it does go to court he can always say he tried to reason with him and met a brickwall , it may be in his favour .

freddieot

No, in his mind the refusal is issued and he hopes there will be no more about it and the matter is closed. (Done deal - nice and simple).

A refusal can be 'revisited' if you can convince the CS that he may not have understood fully or really appreciated your requirement ! More information from you to him might be all that is needed for another consideration.

If you can't convince him then it will stay refused and then it's time to call Rumple of the Bailey if you want to go down that route.

Cass

By all means go see the Chief Super. I'm guessing here, but if the CS has sent him a copy its likely he has lodged a copy with his application and if it hasn't already been logged on the system as failed it will be. (Does anyone know if they log failed applications?)

Talking to the CS would definitely be the first option but as i said it seems to be a dead end. Besides no harm to have all his ducks in a row. Get your case lined up and ready to go, see the CS in the mean time an if that fails then start the appeal. Just mind the time limit. Don't let it lapse. Be a bad way to loos the gun, forgetting to lodge your appeal on time.

Grizzly 45

pedroeibar wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

That's a bit too inaccurate to be just a sweeping statement, G45. The shotgun was originally a fowling piece, grew through various guises for centuries and the cartridge had "birdshot." AFAIK it was not until 1914-18 that it became a military weapon for trench clearance. Even later, Greener had a singleshot 12g specifically made for colonial police use (Egypt, I think, were the initiators of the first orders.)
P.

Not to mind that it was used in the Clonial wars against the Red Coats and the Injuns??
Errrr,misssing out entirely the Wild West era.Wyatt Earpp and DocHolliday at the OK Corral?
Numerous incidents of "coach guns" used by Wells Farrago & C??Too numerous gunfights settled with a sawn off shotgun.[Despite the Hollywood myth of a stand off on High Noon in Main street.] The Union and Confederncy using DBBLs with their mounted troops in the war of Northern Aggression?? The entire Texas and Arizona Rangers used them up to the introduction of lever and pump action shotguns.Some of the old school still carry them.As do somtimes the FBI,DEA and various PDs for stakeout work..In the West the load was "Punkin Balls" and shot.Usually a round ball and 000 shot ,not bird.Going by historical accounts.
So to say the DBBL isnt a historically military or LEO "tactical" weapon is a serious misnomer.
Good ref on this Thomas Swerengen book "The Worlds fighting shotguns"
BTW it was apprently the RIC that got the Greener first,with an odd caliber to prevent the "rebellious Irish" from using it if it fell into our ancestors hands.It was a much praised gun here apprently.Ideal for "breaking down cottage doors and Irish heads"

rowa

well if it has been refused and the cs is of a mind that the matter is closed and won't meet or discuss it, i don't see what option anyone has but to take it to court .

Cass

It would seem so rowa, but honestly i hope i'm wrong. The Super in my area is actually a sound lad. Very approachable. I'm hoping when it comes around to me (if the news is bad) my CS is as approachable.

xesse

the sport had about 4 years to grow and for 3.5 of those years i,ve seen the same 30-35 heads at every bullseye competition,
out of approx 1000 pistol owners:eek::eek::eek:
you cant blame d ahern for that

meathshooter wrote: »

it wasn't giving a chance to grow it was used for political gain by Dermot ahern Fianna fail and the commissioner on their failings to tackle crime and I bet you will see them in the papers with a big pile of sporting firearms that where revoked as a smokescreen implying to Joe soaps the streets are safer now
but who are they fooling

Grizzly 45

How about IPSC?How about lads just punching paper on ranges?Not intrested in joining comps?
In the 3.5 years of the "growing sport" I was waiting 2.5 YEARS for my liscense to be issued!!!!:mad: I thought I was the longest,until I met a lad at the 1st and last IPSC E/AGM who had been waiting THREE years,and hadnt had ANY chance at a saftey course or competitions... So if us two were waiting that long...There were surely others in the same boat,who either gave up or were failures to issue post Nov 08....
It isnt a very cut and dried situation that we were all liscensed within 31days and went off shooting ..or not... There can be plenty of other contributing factors to why all 1000 people were not all at the ranges every given Sat.

Sparks

Okay, I think we've gone irretrievably off the rails here, despite earlier hopes we'd recover. Closing the thread.