kevpants <3 Brad

kevpants

Excellent thread title!

The Brad or Bill thing was obviously a joke. But there is a distinction between what people are talking about here.

It's got to come down to goals, do you actually want to be big and strong or do you want the model look.

TBH I outright reject the argument that most people fall somewhere in the middle and they don't really want either. Well why the hell not? What's the goal? At least the skinny pretentious Calvin Kliens are aiming for something. If you ask about how to gain muscle but not get fat it's a valid question to ask that person where they see themselves at the end.

To defend myself, I went through a few weeks of cutting over the summer so people are presuming I was fat. I wasn't, I was fatter than I'd like. Here's a vid of me at my heaviest, 110kg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT603yLKo9Y

Hardly obese (God they were awful sumos though)

The bit of extra weight came from a year of drinking 3 litres of milk a day and countless calories.

I cut back to 100kg for powerlifting weight class and health reasons within a month and it was fun! I went for walks with my wife and myself and Hanley raced eachother up a hill until we puked for time.

At the end of the month it turned out that despite training simply for greater squat/bench/pull numbers, I looked pretty.

All I'm trying to say is eat to recover. If you want to get bigger you have to. I'm not trying to get everyone to look like a fat powerlifter so stop accusing me of doing that. I understand if people end up obese they won't like the end result.

Captain Furball

If your trying to do it for women or other men makes a big difference.

Trevor Coulahan

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

Is this asking too much??
Ivan's pretty much got the best of both worlds IMO.

Little Ivan (sic) also tested positive for steroid use.

To each their own etc.

Ouijaboard

fcuk sake kev, its not all black and white, I wanna look like the rock

http://www.islandconnections.com/images/rock/rock1.jpg

When it comes to weight training/fitness people who want to get massively big or insanely strong are in the minority unfortunately, most people are happy with something in-between so the idea of adding fat to achieve their goal is tantamount to disaster for them. Most people when they start, want lean up, gain some strength and add a bit of muscle to make it look like they they've actually trained.

Its a pity because, I get exactly what you are saying, If they embraced a bit of extra fat, and not think of it as a total disaster then they would probably achieve their goal an awful lot faster.

In the meantime its going to take them twice as long to add any muscle if they are overly anal about a little fat along with it. It needs to be kept within reason tho, no point someone fooling themselves that they look like gerard butler if they cant see their toes because of that growing beach-ball hanging from their waist blocking their view.

cardio,shoot me

Trevor Coulahan wrote: »

Is this asking too much??
Ivan's pretty much got the best of both worlds IMO.

My ideal physique too :P

Khannie

Love the thread title.

Roper wrote: »

Khannie here's the distinction as I see it.

What?

Roper wrote: »

Someone who talks about muscle gain, but really just wants to see their abs, probably doesn't have to do any additional lifting, they just need to cut their bodyfat right down and they will get that Pitt-esque physique. These people talk about getting "ripped", getting "washboard abs" etc. etc. but don't want to put on any extra weight.

That's a fine and dandy goal, and a lot of people have it but what irritates people like me and, I think it's safe to say, my new best friend kevpants is that people equate being in great shape and fit with single digit bodyfat, no matter what that the rest of the scores on your chart are.

Interesting. I think you're probably right. When I was a youngfella I was VERY skinny though. I mean same height, around the same bodyfat, but probably 10KG lighter than I am now. Now I would have had, or very nearly had a 6 pack for most of my youth and that was mostly just because of low bodyfat. I never would have called myself ripped though. I think it'd be an interesting experiment to post the question (with a bunch of pics) in the ladies lounge if we were allowed.

Pitt looks like he's worked hard to achieve that look in the fight club pic (to me at least....I'd have to do a lot of work to have arms that size).

Hanley

Captain Furball wrote: »

This is the fitness forum, not the power lifting beefcake forum.

Who are you?

I'd say the powerlifters/"beefcakes" who post here are;
1) MUCH more knowledgable and helpful
2) Look A LOT better than the people trying to gain muscle and lose fat

I've only skimmed this thread, but god I'm so happy I wasn't here from the start.

corkcomp

Hanley wrote: »

Who are you?

I'd say the powerlifters/"beefcakes" who post here are;
1) MUCH more knowledgable and helpful
2) Look A LOT better than the people trying to gain muscle and lose fat

I've only skimmed this thread, but god I'm so happy I wasn't here from the start.

maybe the power lifters main goal is to lift as much as possible though? where as, this is a general fitness forum, and maybe a lot of posters are more interested in having a six pack?

Hanley

corkcomp wrote: »

maybe the power lifters main goal is to lift as much as possible though? where as, this is a general fitness forum, and maybe a lot of posters are more interested in having a six pack?

And maybe the powerlifters actually manage to achieve the goal of the majority of posters by not worrying about all the minuscule sh!t and just concentrating on training hard and eating well...?

Captain Furball

Hanley wrote: »

And maybe the powerlifters actually manage to achieve the goal of the majority of posters by not worrying about all the minuscule sh!t and just concentrating on training hard and eating well...?

Seriously how many people want to look like a power lifter?
I know a fair few lads who are huge and drive little cars.
Don't see the attraction to it.

Remmy

Captain Furball wrote: »

Seriously how many people want to look like a power lifter?
I know a fair few lads who are huge and drive little cars.
Don't see the attraction to it.

What are you getting at?

cardio,shoot me

Hanley wrote: »

And maybe the powerlifters actually manage to achieve the goal of the majority of posters by not worrying about all the minuscule sh!t and just concentrating on training hard and eating well...?

well in all fairness the goals are different, alot of people just dont wanna look (in their opinion) or feel fat, so what if it takes them a bit longer, they arent really trying to get as big as the majority of powerlifters are.

*not agreeing or disagreeing here with anyone, just my 2c

cardio,shoot me

Captain Furball wrote: »

Seriously how many people want to look like a power lifter?
I know a fair few lads who are huge and drive little cars.
Don't see the attraction to it.

well i want to look like and be a powerlifter, so thats 1

Hanley

Captain Furball wrote: »

Seriously how many people want to look like a power lifter?
I know a fair few lads who are huge and drive little cars.
Don't see the attraction to it.

What does a powerlifter look like?

podge57

Captain Furball wrote: »

Seriously how many people want to look like a power lifter?
I know a fair few lads who are huge and drive little cars.
Don't see the attraction to it.

i totally agree

cardio,shoot me

Hanley wrote: »

What does a powerlifter look like?

Big and strong :pac::pac:

Hanley

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

Big and strong :pac::pac:

You've both totally missed the point.

dave80

podge57 wrote: »

i totally agree

how many people want to be juicers!

cardio,shoot me

i dont think i have? elaborate?

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

how many people want to be juicers!

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

i dont think i have? elaborate?

Dave gets it.

We're talking about the general fitness population here. How many of them want to look like that?

Let me rephrase, what do non-super heavy weight drug free powerlifters look like?

cardio,shoot me

Hanley wrote: »

Dave gets it.

We're talking about the general fitness population here. How many of them want to look like that?

Let me rephrase, what do non-super heavy weight drug free powerlifters look like?

alright i see, yea i missed the point, i get where your coming from now, i think? theres no general look of a powerlifter as they are all different? like most athletes?

podge57

Hanley wrote: »

Dave gets it.

We're talking about the general fitness population here. How many of them want to look like that?

Let me rephrase, what do non-super heavy weight drug free powerlifters look like?

ya, just realised that too

I thought he was going down the "all powerlifters are fat" route

Captain Furball

Good stuff cardio and hope it goes well for you.
Most people don't want that though,they want to look good for the opposite sex, not the same sex.Most men don't give a toss about benching 300kg.They want to look fit and lean.

cardio,shoot me

Captain Furball wrote: »

Good stuff cardio and hope it goes well for you.
Most people don't want that though,they want to look good for the opposite sex, not the same sex.

no offence or anything but i have no desire to build a physique to attract anyone else, i do this all for my own goals and personal ideals, if some people dont like it i wouldnt like to go out with them anyway

Hanley

Captain Furball wrote: »

Good stuff cardio and hope it goes well for you.
Most people don't want that though,they want to look good for the opposite sex, not the same sex.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha and he declares his ignorance for all to see!!!!

Once again, I ask, what does a powerlifter look like?

BrianD3

Here's a powerlifter who's a lean 12 stone, but is as strong as ****. Deadlifts 660 pounds using the sumo stance and 600+ using the conventional stance.

Jeff Steinberg 600 x 4 sumo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5hzjHLaCw

podge57

Captain Furball wrote: »

Most people don't want that though,they want to look good for the opposite sex, not the same sex.

from my experience people who workout for the opposite sex dont stick with it for very long (probably because they are just trying to make up for a lack of a personality or some sort of insecurity)

People who do it for themselves, on the other hand, seem to show dedication and commitment and achieve the results they want

Captain Furball

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

no offence or anything but i have no desire to build a physique to attract anyone else, i do this all for my own goals and personal ideals, if some people dont like it i wouldnt like to go out with them anyway

I believe you.But the other 99.% don't want a power lifters body.

Captain Furball

BrianD3 wrote: »

Here's a powerlifter who's a lean 12 stone, but is as strong as ****. Deadlifts 660 pounds using the sumo stance and 600+ using the conventional stance.

Jeff Steinberg 600 x 4 sumo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5hzjHLaCw

Does he do it for the girls?
Or does he compete?

Hanley

Captain Furball wrote: »

I believe you.But the other 99.% don't want a power lifters body.

FFS, tell us what a powerlifter's body looks like or shut up.

Zippitydoo

Jesus can you imagine that landing on his toe- all I could picture :eek:

Hanley

Zippitydoo wrote: »

Jesus can you imagine that landing on his toe- all I could picture :eek:

2.40 in this vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Junsms_mWVU

Captain Furball

podge57 wrote: »

from my experience people who workout for the opposite sex dont stick with it for very long (probably because they are just trying to make up for a lack of a personality or some sort of insecurity)

People who do it for themselves, on the other hand, seem to show dedication and commitment and achieve the results they want

I wouldn't disagree with you there.After all who gets results in a fitness gym?
What if your dog ugly and you want to make up for it?

cardio,shoot me

hanley i cringed so hard at that, did you not break a toe or anything? /offtopic

Ouijaboard

I dont visit this forum often enough, this is great stuff

Call me a cnut if ye want i dont know if it has been discussed before but would it not be better to have 2 sub forums in fitness.

One called Weight-training and the other called brads body. Maybe that would sort the issue out. There's alot of people going in diff directions around here!

cardio,shoot me

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

Big and strong :pac::pac:

Gotta say, that guy does have an incredible physique.

Anyone know any stats about this dude ? height, weight, bf % (6% ? )

Remmy

he's 6:0 and he was 320pounds before he dieted down.There is a thread about him on tnation ill look for it.


http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/pictures_pics_photo_body_image_performance/all_powerlifters_are_fatties

Super stuff Remmy.

BraziliaNZ

I think most men want the Men's Fitness cover look. I.e. lean and ripped and muscular, it's not that difficult to understand is it?

Roper

Yeah they want the look "without getting too big", without dieting, without doing too many weights and without squatting, benching or deadlifting. That's difficult to understand.

BraziliaNZ

Roper wrote: »

Yeah they want the look "without getting too big", without dieting, without doing too many weights and without squatting, benching or deadlifting. That's difficult to understand.

but i do all of those things and that's probably the look i'm going for. Is that wrong?

brianthebard

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

but i do all of those things and that's probably the look i'm going for. Is that wrong?

No its not wrong, so long as you realise the work needed for your goal, which you obviously do. Most don't though, hence the frustration in this thread.

ragg

I really dont see the problem with wanting a sixpack - its all i could think about when I started dieting & training. Now they are starting to show & im happy with my achievment-

If i do decide to add muscle, i would be pretty pissed off if i lost sight of my abs. call it narcissism, call it whatever you want, but I wouldn't want to get fat again. Just to say added the most mass I could! No way

celestial

ragg wrote: »

I really dont see the problem with wanting a sixpack - its all i could think about when I started dieting & training. Now they are starting to show & im happy with my achievment-

If i do decide to add muscle, i would be pretty pissed off if i lost sight of my abs. call it narcissism, call it whatever you want, but I wouldn't want to get fat again. Just to say added the most mass I could! No way

Man what a class thread re-name - take that was you're doin g'em?!

Don't forget that in a world of couch potatoes, obesity and complete sedentary-ness, getting ripped and muscular can be evidence of dedication and discipline in itself. So it's not a goal to be sniffed at.

Hanley

Low bodyfat =/= ripped

Low bodyfat = skinny

Low bodyfat + decent amount of muscle = ripped

d'Oracle

I don't want a 6-pack.

I have lost loads of fat in the last few months.
loads of my jeans are now too frickin big.
Screw skinny.

imported_guy

Hanley wrote: »

Low bodyfat =/= ripped

Low bodyfat = skinny

Low bodyfat + decent amount of muscle = ripped

actully no

low bodyfat = maybe equal to ripped

low bodyfat + alot of muscle = jacked

get with the lingo brah

imported_guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Gotta say, that guy does have an incredible physique.

Anyone know any stats about this dude ? height, weight, bf % (6% ? )

im guessing its actully less than 6%, he has good vascularity, and an amazing V-shape, im guessing his arms are like 20± inch, around 43-45 inch chest, if he is natural, thats fking god like, but he probably juiced, because even arnold only had like 21 inch arms or something, but his chest was massive.

corkcomp

ragg wrote: »

I really dont see the problem with wanting a sixpack - its all i could think about when I started dieting & training. Now they are starting to show & im happy with my achievment-

If i do decide to add muscle, i would be pretty pissed off if i lost sight of my abs. call it narcissism, call it whatever you want, but I wouldn't want to get fat again. Just to say added the most mass I could! No way

have to agree with that .... I cant see the problem with folks wanting to have a six pack ... not many people who have been fat in the past want to go there again, especially not in the pursuit of muscle gain (which is quite possible without getting fat, albeit at a slower rate of gain)

Magic Eight Ball

Deleted User wrote: »

Little Ivan (sic) also tested positive for steroid use.

To each their own etc.

Yes because a physique similar to this can only be achieved exclusively through steroid use. :rolleyes: