Srike may shut down college

the flananator

dan719 wrote: »

Really?

So how come we have 1.5 times the OECD average of nurses per thousand of population?

Why is there three nurses for every bed in the Dublin acute hospitals?

Why do people go into hospitals for simple operations and die from what you call 'superbugs'? is that not your responsibility?

How much do you think you are worth?

Go on strike again, you say you are used to people spitting at you, so Thurs won't be too big a deal.

You're so hot right now.

Thirdfox

Jonathan wrote: »

1 weeks notice is required.

*Ahem* Just got this in the mail:

Dear Resident,



The following message is issued on behalf of the Registrar of Chambers to all students resident on campus.



The College has been served formal notice of a 24 hour strike commencing at Midnight on Wednesday 2nd December and terminating at Midnight Thursday 3rd December. It is likely that the College will have limited resources available during that period. In accordance with the Conditions of Occupancy, I give notice that overnight guest arrangements are suspended for the night of Wednesday 2nd December. Students resident on campus may therefore not sign in guests on this night. It is also possible that visitors will not be admitted to campus at any time during Thursday 3rd December.



In the event that strike notice is withdrawn normal guest arrangements will apply.



Information on the arrangements that will be in place will issue from the Accommodation Office as soon as these have been finalised by College authorities.



Dr Emma K Stokes,

Registrar of Chambers and Junior Dean

Jonathan

Thirdfox wrote: »

*Ahem* Just got this in the mail:

Apologies. I misread the original post. Workers are required to give their employers one week's notice of their intent to strike as far as I understand.

I've no idea when the strike gets confirmed.

Aoibheann

Aye, they've already given notice - they did that last week, a couple days ahead of the week's notice required of them. Apparently it'll be confirmed either way by tomorrow at some point. It basically says on various sites that if there's not any significant progress within the next 24 hours, then the strike will go ahead. They're cutting it pretty fine tbh.

wheresthebeef

In relation to 1.5 Nurses per 1000 population as per the OECD, Are you referring to Nurses on the live register of Nurses, or Nurses in employment? This might be true, I can't say as I'm not responsible for Operational Matters. However, I can assure you that a general hospital ward could not give any level of care to patients at a ratio 50% less than the current one.

Three Nurses for every bed. I don't know where you're getting these figures from, or what factors are being used to distort them. The Ratio of Nurses to patients in Tallaght Hospital is 1 Registered Nurse to 6-9 patients where all staff are in attendance. If you're lucky, you'll have one HCA per shift for the 31 patients on the ward. Thats the facts. At night time, this ratio drops to 1 Nurse to 12 patients, and one HCA per 31 patients.

The superbug issue is one of a systems failure across the health service, of which Nurses are a part of this system, amongst other professions, practices, methods of working, environmental factors, community factors, patient demographics etc... I do my part in terms of Infection Prevention and Control to the best of my ability, as should all staff. I don't know what more you want to hear in relation to this. I certainly am not callous about infection control.

I'm certainly worth my current wage, and I am sure when the time comes, i'll be worth the increments i'm due. I do a hard job. I don't receive an extravagant salary. I've got bills to pay like everyone else. I don't feel guilty for earning what I do. I already make additional contributions towards the state for the supposed privilege of having a full time, permanent and pensionable position (even though I have none of these things), so yeah I've made my contribution. I'm sick of financially propping up others. Work away and cut the dole, social welfare etc.... I'm sick of being in a give-take relationship where I give and the state takes.

Dan719, I'll show you the same courtesy, and next time you're in A&E i'll spit in your face! Nite!

Boston

wheresthebeef wrote: »

Dan719, I'll show you the same courtesy, and next time you're in A&E i'll spit in your face! Nite!

Why would you do that, Is it because he's gay?

dan719

wheresthebeef wrote: »

Dan719, I'll show you the same courtesy, and next time you're in A&E i'll spit in your face! Nite!

Nah you probably won't. See I'm not really silly enough to hit up A&E, sure you're likely to die from what you get in there than from what you go in with. If I get ill I'll have the decency to kick the bucket in a nice quick fashion, all James Dean like. Also I'm probably a lot bigger than you.:D

Anyway, did I say I was going to spit in your face? Nope.

Crania

While I would, as a student, naturally love to have another free day becasue it means I have an excuse to be lazy for a day but I have to seriously question the wisdom of the strike when I consider the economy as a whole. I was quite indifferent about the first strike, while I felt public sector workers needed to let their feelings known I also thought that it was quite silly of such a well-paid (in comparison to the public sector in other countries) group of people with very safe jobs to go in strike at a time of huge unenemployment and recession. I think if there was to be a second strike, the public sector workers would lose a lot of respect of people and I think they'd be ridiculed. We can't continue running our country on the basis of these haphazard strike days, either have a prolonged strike action or don't resort at all, when you have a gap of 9 days between strikes they somewhat lose their effect I think.

A previous poster said it correctly when he said that benchmarking has to work both ways. The fact of the matter is that public sector workers should not have got the increases they got and it is a lot easier to give them money than to take it away, it was typical of the short-sightedness that is endemic in Irish politics.

Naturally, I wouldn't like to see public sector workers wages decrease but unfortunately with the times that are in it, we have got to make difficult decisions and if I was faced with a choice between cutting public sector pay or cutting child benefit or the old age pension there's no doubt at all what I'd pick. There are priorities in recessions and one of those is protecting the most vulnerable and I don't think anyone would include public sector workers as vulnerable.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of the public sector, I think frontline staff in Ireland do an amazing job with often small resources but the fact of the matter is cuts have to made somewhere and the pay levels in the higher levels of the public sector is simply ridiculous, cut those public sector workers on over €100,000 heavily and that means those nurses and teachers don't have to carry as much of the burden.

But forget about what my head says, I'd bloody love a strike on Thursday!

Thirdfox

Crania wrote: »

Naturally, I wouldn't like to see public sector workers wages decrease but unfortunately with the times that are in it, we have got to make difficult decisions and if I was faced with a choice between cutting public sector pay or cutting child benefit or the old age pension there's no doubt at all what I'd pick. There are priorities in recessions and one of those is protecting the most vulnerable and I don't think anyone would include public sector workers as vulnerable.

Unfortunately it seems that we need to make cuts to all of the above - it's not a matter of "who will suffer?" but "we will all suffer" for the next few years at least.

And as much as I agree that we shouldn't simply target front line/lower salaried workers it's about effectiveness of our savings. Scrapping the government jet may save us a few million per year (as well as pleasing the general populace) but what about the other 3.99 billion we need to save? Ideally we'll save wherever we can - right now everyone simply says "not in my backyard" be that public or private.

For example - has anyone actually come forward in the whole country to say "I'm getting paid too much and I'll take a pay cut for the good of the country" - Mary McAleese being the only person I can think of. Everyone else is too busy defending their patch from the cuts that are needed.

The funniest thing is - the economist tell us that tax intake is down to 2003(ish) levels - I remember 2003 - it was quite pleasant actually so why can't our spending go down to that level?

Agent Smith

wheresthebeef wrote: »

Dan719, I'll show you the same courtesy, and next time you're in A&E i'll spit in your face! Nite!

You know any support people had for your cause? Well, you Just spat it away.

phlegms

Crania wrote: »

While I would, as a student, naturally love to have another free day becasue it means I have an excuse to be lazy for a day but I have to seriously question the wisdom of the strike when I consider the economy as a whole. I was quite indifferent about the first strike, while I felt public sector workers needed to let their feelings known I also thought that it was quite silly of such a well-paid (in comparison to the public sector in other countries) group of people with very safe jobs to go in strike at a time of huge unenemployment and recession. I think if there was to be a second strike, the public sector workers would lose a lot of respect of people and I think they'd be ridiculed. We can't continue running our country on the basis of these haphazard strike days, either have a prolonged strike action or don't resort at all, when you have a gap of 9 days between strikes they somewhat lose their effect I think.

A previous poster said it correctly when he said that benchmarking has to work both ways. The fact of the matter is that public sector workers should not have got the increases they got and it is a lot easier to give them money than to take it away, it was typical of the short-sightedness that is endemic in Irish politics.

Naturally, I wouldn't like to see public sector workers wages decrease but unfortunately with the times that are in it, we have got to make difficult decisions and if I was faced with a choice between cutting public sector pay or cutting child benefit or the old age pension there's no doubt at all what I'd pick. There are priorities in recessions and one of those is protecting the most vulnerable and I don't think anyone would include public sector workers as vulnerable.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of the public sector, I think frontline staff in Ireland do an amazing job with often small resources but the fact of the matter is cuts have to made somewhere and the pay levels in the higher levels of the public sector is simply ridiculous, cut those public sector workers on over €100,000 heavily and that means those nurses and teachers don't have to carry as much of the burden.

But forget about what my head says, I'd bloody love a strike on Thursday!

QFT.

This thread has gotten out of control and is making me feel uncomfortable :pac:

dan719

Any word from college regarding the strike? When can we realistically expect a final decision? Not much point letting us know the strike is called off at half two thurs morn if everyone is pissed out of their minds trying to score a 'hard-working, underpaid' nurse in coppers.:D

Jonathan

The strike has been called off.

phlegms

Jonathan wrote: »

The strike has been called off.

Take that democracy!

dan719

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1201/partnership.html

Sickened

Boston

Cowardly cowards cower.

Aoibheann

Jonathan wrote: »

The strike has been called off.

It's good news, but it also means I have to do my mechanics assignment.

devinejay

Good news because now I get to spend the whole day in the library desperately trying to finish lab reports, cause it's not like I could start them now:rolleyes:

Aoibheann

Ew, lab reports. I managed to get one done in about half a physics lecture today, I'm quite proud of that.. \o/

Lame Lantern

Well poo, I now have 5000 words of a dissertation draft due Friday that I have yet to properly research or write. Gonna need a couple of evening marathons sessions in the library now that I don't have all of Thursday afternoon. This is like in school when you bank on an impending snow day only to have to frantically write your "Tá súil agam leis an Nollaig" essay in freezing cold on the DART the next morning.

amacachi

Boston wrote: »

Cowardly cowards cower.

I'm assuming you're talking about both sides?

Boston

Lame Lantern wrote: »

Well poo, I now have 5000 words of a dissertation draft due Friday that I have yet to properly research or write. Gonna need a couple of evening marathons sessions in the library now that I don't have all of Thursday afternoon. This is like in school when you bank on an impending snow day only to have to frantically write your "Tá súil agam leis an Nollaig" essay in freezing cold on the DART the next morning.

Two points.

1) "in the library now"? What were you going to do before?
2) Perhaps its time you stopped using the same time management scheme you used in primary school?

shay_562

Boston wrote: »

2) Perhaps its time you stopped using the same time management scheme you used in primary school?

Actually, I reckon my time management skills were way better in primary school. No Facebook, no Wii and no vodka = lots of work time.

And yay for no strike! Not for any 'national good' reasons, just that I'm heading down to UCC on Thursday and it'd be pretty awkward if it weren't open.

Brian

shay_562 wrote: »

Actually, I reckon my mum's time management skills were way better in primary school.

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Lame Lantern

Boston wrote: »

Two points.

1) "in the library now"? What were you going to do before?

Well I was going to use Thursday to get my Kierkegaard on, now I'll have to be in class as per usual and work in the evenings instead. Otherwise, I'd be using my evenings to eat corn flakes and fall asleep on the couch.

2) Perhaps its time you stopped using the same time management scheme you used in primary school?

Well in primary school I didn't need to take on thirty hour working weeks in addition to full time education in the run up to Christmas in order to prevent myself from starving/freezing/living-in-a-gutted-out-fridge-on-pearse-street. Simpler times.

Boston

Thems were the best days of yer life.

Prof.Badass

Jonathan wrote: »

The strike has been called off.

Dickheads :mad:.

lucernarian

vinylmesh wrote: »

Dickheads :mad:.

Why, how many lab reports did you have due in for Friday?:D

Myself, I've got 2, and possibly 3 depending which way you argue it. Yay... I was even going to make plans for my Thursday off.

Way to go, pragmatic trade unionists.:pac:

Degsy

Juxta Dublin wrote: »

As it happens, I do.

Happy day..lets hope the government doesnt decide to screw you and if they do that you have a union to protect your interests.

Denerick

vinylmesh wrote: »

Dickheads :mad:.

Its probably the best news I've heard all week. The timing was terrible, loads of final year arts students have a dissertation chapter to put together by Monday and we really need the library open. Thank God they called it off.