Unions on the march..

Jip

kippy wrote: »

Someone earlier suggested that ALL private sector workers still in a job had taken pay cuts.
THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY INCORRECT.

So to is claiming that public sector workers have taken 2 pay cuts.

kippy

Jip wrote: »

So to is claiming that public sector workers have taken 2 pay cuts.

I havent made any such claim.......My response was in regards to a direct claim made by a poster here.

kippy

Stark wrote: »

Fact still remains that there are very few private sector workers left earning enough wages to pay for the salaries of people on twice their incomes. Only 10% of people left in a position to pay the 41% rate of PAYE tax. That's half the number of people from earlier in the year. I'm not sure if that figure covers private and public sector or just private sector. If it's across the private and public sector, then it's even more alarming. 50% of people aren't earning enough to pay tax at all. How the public sector thinks it's possible to squeeze enough tax from this working demographic to completely cover their current pay, allowances and benefits is beyond me. Perhaps by broadening the tax base to bring more people into the tax net, but not through the fairy tale policies that ICTU are proposing.

Completely agree with you there.

heebusjeebus

Anyone know how the march is going? Have they reached the dail?

kippy

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Anyone know how the march is going? Have they reached the dail?

They've stormed the Dail and set light to the chamber and Seanad!

akaredtop

It's like blind men guiding sheep over a cliff.

heebusjeebus

kippy wrote: »

They've stormed the Dail and set light to the chamber and Seanad!

Where do they get their energy from? You'd never see this much passion in their day job

Stark

"€1200 a week to stand with a hairdryer on the M4? There's got to be a better, fairer way".

cdb

kippy wrote: »

They've stormed the Dail and set light to the chamber and Seanad!

Its ok folks, don't worry, the handful of TD & Senators that were actually in the building - discussing issues of minor importance like NAMA and the upcoming budget - all managed to avoid the rush for the exists and get out safely! Phew. What would we have done without them...

Sizzler

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Anyone know how the march is going? Have they reached the dail?

20,000 people, doubt it but they did well to get the 10k they were looking for.

Now if O'Connor and Begg had the balls they could ask their loyal members to put their hand in the air if they think they would rather get a cut in their union monthly subs or sacrifice that to continue paying these two muppets top dollar 6 figure salaries. Wonder how that would go down...

Victor_M

kippy wrote: »

I havent made any such claim.......My response was in regards to a direct claim made by a poster here.

The vast majority of private sector workers(if not all, I don't know the specifics) have had there take home pay reduced in the last 12 months. Either directly in the form of pay cuts or indirectly in the form of reduced working hours.
The public sector workers are so caught up with protecting their 'best of both worlds' working conditions that they haven't a notion what's going on in the real world.

The No risk, high reward system in place at the moment was never going to last forever.

heebusjeebus

cdb wrote: »

Its ok folks, don't worry, the handful of TD & Senators that were actually in the building - discussing issues of minor importance like NAMA and the upcoming budget - all managed to avoid the rush for the exists and get out safely! Phew. What would we have done without them...

There's always a next time, like Die Hard 2.

Stark

The organisers say 70,000 people are at the march but the Gardaí say 7,000.

Colm R

kippy wrote: »

Someone earlier suggested that ALL private sector workers still in a job had taken pay cuts.
THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY INCORRECT.

You are right, this is incorrect. I'm not entirely for or against the Public Sector, but what I find most hurtful about the Unions and the Public Sector, is "We are not going to be the only ones who are taking a hit".

They are not the only ones who are taking a hit.

What the Public Sector spokespeople need to understand, is that the Private sector is not just the Banks and the construction industry.

I work in the IT sector. We have, since the dot com bust earned substantially less than most other comparable sectors of College graduated employees in this country throughout the boom. Because our compeditors are global and not local.

As a consequence the recession has not changed much in the IT industry. People are still loosing jobs, and gaining jobs. Your company can close down but the likelihood is the same as it was at the height of the boom. Its a market correction that happened in or around 2000, 2001 and the industry is better for it since. Except we need more graduates in it. It was tough getting kids to take up IT courses because of the preceived "small money" in it. People were encouraged into more profitable jobs in Banking, Contruction or the Public Sector.

Fact is, Graduates into any proffession should not be earning more than 20-25k. Scale up from there with good productivity/adaptablity/flexibility. I'm in it nearly 10 years and I'm up to the 35k mark. Not great compared to a lot of people my age. But I'm slowly going in the right direction. I'm not too expensive for my employer to consider letting me go, and I have to work hard if I want to go to the next level.

heebusjeebus

"There must be at least 1 million there Ted"

victor11

70000 my as*.... This is exactly the type of 'overhyped, overestimated and exagerated claims that we've come to expect from the Muppets... :mad:

Sizzler

Whos going to clean up the mess they made through the city centre? Oh, the city council, Im sure they will be delighted with that.

Have just been told banners and placards have been littered along the route with many left behind on parnell square, nice touch.

Sizzler

victor11 wrote: »

70000 my as*.... This is exactly the type of 'overhyped, overestimated and exagerated claims that we've come to expect from the Muppets... :mad:

Sure maybe all the claims ICTU & SIPTU make are exaggerated by a multiple of ten so if thats how they run their estimates.

Someone send down an abacus to liberty hall FFS.

kippy

Victor_M wrote: »

The vast majority of private sector workers(if not all, I don't know the specifics) have had there take home pay reduced in the last 12 months. Either directly in the form of pay cuts or indirectly in the form of reduced working hours.
The public sector workers are so caught up with protecting their 'best of both worlds' working conditions that they haven't a notion what's going on in the real world.

The No risk, high reward system in place at the moment was never going to last forever.

That is a false statement to make and you have absolutely nothing to back it up, just as the original poster had nothing to back it up. I have no documentary evidence either however I do believe there was a report on private sector pay in the past few months which mentioned that about 30 % of people in the Private sector who still had work had had a pay cut or cut in hours.

I am only speaking from my own personal experience where I know about 40 people working in the private sector, various areas. Almost all those in construction are without work (5)
15 more that I know that work in IT and other areas have not had their pay or hours cut. 10 have actually had not insignificant pay rises this year and the other 10 have managed to change jobs/move out of the country (not forcibly)
TO SUGGEST THAT ALL PRIVATE SECTOR WORKER HAVE TAKEN A PAY CUT IS NOT TRUE

(as I said, I dont disagree with the majority of everything else being expressed on this thread.)

victor11

Sizzler wrote: »

Whos going to clean up the mess they made through the city centre? Oh, the city council, Im sure they will be delighted with that.

Have just been told banners and placards have been littered along the route with many left behind on parnell square, nice touch.

Did you not hear???? All the garbage trucks are parked up since 11 this AM & the lads gone home (or followed the other puppets)... Guess the 'demon' contractors will come in and clean up the mess;)

Stark

Sizzler wrote: »

Sure maybe all the claims ICTU & SIPTU make are exaggerated by a multiple of ten so if thats how they run their estimates.

Someone send down an abacus to liberty hall FFS.

That's how it seems to work when estimating private sector salaries anyway. Sure most of the "fat cats" they harp on about earn less than O'Connor, Begg and co.

kippy

Colm R wrote: »

You are right, this is incorrect. I'm not entirely for or against the Public Sector, but what I find most hurtful about the Unions and the Public Sector, is "We are not going to be the only ones who are taking a hit".

They are not the only ones who are taking a hit.

What the Public Sector spokespeople need to understand, is that the Private sector is not just the Banks and the construction industry.

I work in the IT sector. We have, since the dot com bust earned substantially less than most other comparable sectors of College graduated employees in this country throughout the boom. Because our compeditors are global and not local.

As a consequence the recession has not changed much in the IT industry. People are still loosing jobs, and gaining jobs. Your company can close down but the likelihood is the same as it was at the height of the boom. Its a market correction that happened in or around 2000, 2001 and the industry is better for it since. Except we need more graduates in it. It was tough getting kids to take up IT courses because of the preceived "small money" in it. People were encouraged into more profitable jobs in Banking, Contruction or the Public Sector.

Fact is, Graduates into any proffession should not be earning more than 20-25k. Scale up from there with good productivity/adaptablity/flexibility. I'm in it nearly 10 years and I'm up to the 35k mark. Not great compared to a lot of people my age. But I'm slowly going in the right direction. I'm not too expensive for my employer to consider letting me go, and I have to work hard if I want to go to the next level.

Would agree with that 100%

Sizzler

Stark wrote: »

That's how it seems to work when estimating private sector salaries anyway. Sure most of the "fat cats" they harp on about earn less than O'Connor, Begg and co.

Poted it in another thread but might as well roll it out again

Take a look at Begg and O'Connor's "CV's", they wouldnt get 1/4 of the salaries outside the bosom of their cushy number in the union. Crazy stuff. I wouldnt trust them to drive a taxi.

Stark

Love it:

heebusjeebus

Stark wrote: »

Love it:

Ha ha, that's classic. Can this make the front of the papers in the morning and not the other clowns behind him.

ixoy

Sizzler wrote: »

I wouldnt trust them to drive a taxi.

I think they might do a good job here:
- they're already taking the public for a ride
- they never do anything but moan about what others are doing

Sizzler

ixoy wrote: »

I think they might do a good job here:
- they're already taking the public for a ride
- they never do anything but moan about what others are doing

They'll also take you on a slow journey on a mucky friday afternoon from parnell square to merrion square and screw you at the end of it !

Scruff

Darragh29 wrote: »

The webcam set up by the ICTU here:

www.getupstandup.ie

To stream the video of the march has stopped working, you'd lose your job for such a cock up in the private sector!

Love that they have popup ads on the stream. Great to see capitalism sponsoring socialism in action. Oh look i can buy cheap services from china...

jimmmy

Stark wrote: »

Love it:
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Brilliant ! I wonder is it anyone I know ? I have an alibi, I was here ( had to be ) at my computer / desk this afternoon.

Colm R

Stark wrote: »

Love it:

Thats in Cork. Is it real?