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Derry City to be relegated?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Pineapple stu


    It was too far to travel to anyway.
    No sympathy for club or fans as they have been mouthing off about other clubs around the boards as if they were the business.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,828 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    They are in the same financeual troubles as Cork and have had to get the FAI to bail them out with money twice already this year

    We've never once failed to pay our players, the FAI didn't "bail" us out, we had an advance on prize moneys for Europe, as did a number of clubs, it is not in anyway against the rules and it was in fact hugely beneficial to Irish football as a whole. Derry have been thrown out due to massive mismanagement and I think you should be looking a lot closer to home rather than blaming other clubs, you got yourselves into this mess, and it's up to you to face the consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Lads lets be honest does not matter the real problem here is the media attention again for the league is utter negative one.

    All people hear is Cork going bust, Derry going bust who going be next? Its happened to Kilkenny City never mentioned again once happened.

    Think its sad day for league. Liked Derry they had some great teams. That team from 96/97 season was quality and I as Cork City fan am disappointed to hear the news. Just hope they can get back on there feet again cause the LOI needs them . Simple as that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Cork paid 2.35 million quid on wages :eek::eek::eek:

    Thats an absolute joke. There's no way any LOI club should be paying out that much on players.

    If so many teams are struggeling to pay debts and players wages would the FAI
    be better off inforcing a salary cap on teams or limiting the teams to a certain number of semi/or professional players?????

    Apologies if there are already restrictions like the above mention (im not well up on the LOI)


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,828 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Cork paid 2.35 million quid on wages :eek::eek::eek:

    Thats an absolute joke. There's no way any LOI club should be paying out that much on players.

    If so many teams are struggeling to pay debts and players wages would the FAI
    be better off inforcing a salary cap on teams or limiting the teams to a certain number of semi/or professional players?????

    Apologies if there are already restrictions like the above mention (im not well up on the LOI)

    There is a restriction in that only 65% or less of turnover can be spent on player wages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    There is a restriction in that only 65% or less of turnover can be spent on player wages.

    65% seems managable.

    Why are clubs getting into financial difficulties if there are guidelines on how much they spend on wages, is it purely bad managment of the club by the board or what is? Obviously the clubs must be leaking money somehow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭DU.LLAHAN


    Im sorry to hear that about derry, they have great away support, but if they played by the rules would they have been able to be up the top half of the league each season prob not. With all the carry on at cork this season i expect to see them gettin relegated, cant see how they will be aloud to get a premier division licence, if they do that will be the biggest sham of all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    We've never once failed to pay our players, the FAI didn't "bail" us out, we had an advance on prize moneys for Europe, as did a number of clubs

    and you also registered players as barmen, grounds keepers, turnstyle operators to get under the 65% wage cap. You broke it last year and have broken it this year.

    Still if Bohs need a bailout to pay the players in the middle of July I can only imagine what will be needed now that you have a few months with no income.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭adamski8


    the side of the story from derry!
    http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2764/:
    Set-up
    McDaid described their meeting with the FAI as a “complete set-up”. “We were given 24 hours for today’s notice. Our legal representatives requested, and we asked if we could be provided with any documentation that may be used or any evidence that may be submitted, he was refused. We weren’t given one bit of paper.”

    “The meeting was set up to discuss a financial package for our club, to try to get players paid, to try to get bills paid, to try and get our club from not going out of business,” he added,

    “We will question the legality of today’s meeting. We have been brought down here and hung, drawn and quartered. There was no investigation into anything. We haven’t been accused of anything, there has been no accusations.

    “People say it is based on admissions by our football club. I was at that meeting (on Wednesday) with the vice chairman and there was absolutely no admissions made by our club, about anything.”

    Mr. McDaid intends to make public the minutes of the meeting and admitted that they had recorded the minutes themselves because of the “lack of trust in the people governing football in Ireland.”
    wouldnt know who to believe!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    adamski8 wrote: »
    the side of the story from derry!
    http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2764/:

    wouldnt know who to believe!!!

    The clued in Derry fans are siding with the FAI which says it all really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,137 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    This seems to imply they'll be back in the First division next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭RebelRockChick


    Cork paid 2.35 million quid on wages :eek::eek::eek:

    Mind me asking where you heard this figure, have heard it's around 1 million.
    loyatemu wrote: »
    This seems to imply they'll be back in the First division next season.

    Delaney was a guest speaker at Cork City's Hall of Fame on Saturday night and apparently implied that they would be working with Derry to ensure they would be in the LOI, more than likely the 1st divison next season.

    Delaney also mentioned in a radio interview from the same night that he would be sitting down with Coughlan and that we weren't gonna be relegated :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    Got this email from a friend who supports Derry City. Its the meeting minutes of Derry's meeting with the FAI. Apparently the FAI said that they had 20 secondary contracts. Derry claimed that there was one case that the FAI was also made aware of and a proper contract was deployed in its place, which was confirmed as legit with the FAI.....

    Also looks like Derry won't get their prize money for this season as they officially are not part of the league.
    These are the minutes as taken by one of the DCFC board members at the

    'Hearing between FAI and representatives of Derry City Football Club'

    Saturday 7th November 2009

    Pat McDaid (Derry City F.C Chairman), Joe W Doherty (Club Secretary) and Desmond Doherty (Club Solicitor) arrived at the FAI headquarters in Abbotstown in Dublin at 12.30pm for a meeting with representatives from the FAI Board. They were shown into a room by reception personal.

    At 12.40am Fran Gavin (Director of the League of Ireland) accompanied by Padric Smith (Compliance Officer) and Sarah O’Shea (FAI legal advisor) came into the room whereupon Mr Gavin nodded to P.McDaid and asked if he would go into the hallway with him for a chat. D. Doherty objected to this and told Mr Gavin that if he had anything to say he should say it now. Miss O’Shea asked what position Derry City was taking.

    D.Doherty asked under what auspices this meeting was called and asked for a copy of the agenda. S.O’Shea said that direct statements would be made by F.Gavin, R. Coppinger, R. Fahey, and said that there would be no cross examination allowed, she also indicated that the more that DCFC cooperate the easier it will go for the club. This appeared like some sort of threat.

    D.Doherty asked what rule was being used to call this meeting and what was the purpose of the meeting in the first place. S O’Shea said that section 1-9 of the participant agreement covered the legality of calling the meeting and the purpose was to discuss an earlier meeting between representatives of the Derry Board and the FAI on Wednesday 4th November 09.

    The Derry delegation were then moved to another room around 2pm and finally called into another room at 2.10pm with a total of 17 representatives of the FAI present including the FAI board. It quickly became apparent that this was not just a meeting as we had been led to believe but in fact was a hearing.

    David Blood (Chairman of the FAI) opened the meeting by introducing all present and John Delaney (Chief Executioner Executive FAI ) said that the meeting would be conducted through S O’Shea (Legal advisor)

    S. O’Shea informed us that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss an earlier meeting between representatives of the Derry Board and the FAI held on Wednesday 4th November and said that 4 members of the FAI who were present at that meeting with P McDaid and S McCarron would be making statements from notes they had taken during that meeting, she then asked what DCFC approach would be?

    D Doherty formally objected to this hearing taking place in the first place, he asked for copies of the notes form the informal meeting that is the subject of this discussion so that he may have some time to analyse them and confer with his clients.

    This request was refused.
    D Doherty asked if there was anyone present who would stand to gain from any negative outcome of today’s hearing.
    Mr J Deleany said there wasn’t.

    D. Doherty explained that we had come here at short notice hearing about the event firstly on the news before being officially requested to attend, he explained that he had asked for it to be held at a later date due to having been given such short notice and not been given the courtesy of explanations or being told the exact circumstances of why we were summoned in the first place.
    Mr D Doherty stated that we had travelled today when in fact we should have been attending our former chairman’s (Hugh McDaid) mother in-laws funeral.

    He asked again under what rule this hearing was called and asked what the purpose of it was, stating that as far as he was aware there was no accusations, or charges as yet made and indicated that he was at a loss as to how he should proceed.

    S O’Shea said that the authority to call the meeting was contained in sections 1-9 of the participation agreement between the FAI and DCFC.

    Mr D Doherty asked to be directed to where in the agreement the exact rule was and under what basis in law this hearing was being conducted.

    S O’Shea once again pointed to the sections of the participation agreement she had outlined earlier and said that he Board of the FAI was the authority under which business would be conducted. She then asked that the 4 FAI representatives stand and make statements referring to their notes.

    D Doherty objected again and asked what would be wrong in him getting copies to read and consult over with his clients.

    S O’Shea said that his objection would be noted but again refused to present any of the notes to him. Mr Doherty asked for a copy of the agreed minutes from the meeting indicting that this seemed to be leading to some sort of disciplinary hearing and said his clients had every right to see the agreed official minutes.

    S O’Shea said that there were no official minutes taken and only individual notes taken at the time were available of which we would not be allowed to view.

    After some deliberation by D Doherty over the oppressive way in which this hearing was being conducted the statements were made. F Gavin, R Coppinger, P Smith and R Fahey each made statements referring to what appeared to be very detailed and coordinated notes.

    Mr Doherty asked how long the meeting in question had lasted and was informed by F Gavin that it was approximately two to three hours long. He expressed surprise at the detailed way in which the notes had appeared to be taken at such an informal meeting and how uncanny it was that four individuals could construct such detailed notes at a meeting such as had taken place.

    D Doherty said that there were some serious allegations being made and expressed horror that this was not discovered to him before now, saying in his opinion this just smacked of a total white-wash with an obviously predetermined outcome, not allowing his clients time to consider the statements just read out was disgraceful.

    S O’Shea said that statements were made and this was not evidence. D.Doherty clarified with J.Delaney that the statements were not evidence but just statements as such and in effect the four persons reading out their notes. Mr Doherty queried when the notes were made and if made contemporaneously at 4 November meetings’ Shea said that was the position.

    A particular player’s document was produced on DCFC head paper by the FAI.
    D Doherty requested a copy of the said contract and was told the board would consider the request.

    Mr Doherty pointed out that so far no one had pointed out any wrong doing or placed any charge against his clients and he was still baffled as to what this was all about.

    S O Shea asked if that was all his clients wished to put forward. D Doherty said that without any charges of wrong doing what did she expect his client to say?

    The meeting was adjourned at 3.15pm so that the FAI Board could reflect on its own position. D.Doherty pointed out usually as a matter of natural justice and fairness an allegation is made or charges put but none existed here so his clients had nothing to answer for.

    The DCFC delegation was escorted to another room in the building and given sandwiches and water as refreshments.

    At 5.05pm we were summoned back to the board room were a partial copy of the requested contract was given to D Doherty together with a written decision.

    D.Doherty requested that D.Delaney read out the decision.

    Mr Delaney read out a letter which was subsequently given to D Doherty and J W Doherty that outlined the details of the FAI board decision to terminate the contract between the FAI and Derry City F.C.

    Mr Doherty asked for a recess so that he could confer with his clients. The decision was sensational and came completely out of the blue to people who were asked to come to a so-called discussion meeting.

    Five minutes later S O’Shea asked if we could hurry up as Mr Deleney had to go to Cork to a supporters meeting.

    Upon reconvening with the FAI board D Doherty asked that the details of the alleged secondary contract be looked at as this might have a bearing on the Boards initial decision and perhaps after looking at it again they might wish to reconsider their decision?

    D Doherty pointed out that the alleged secondary contract had been signed prior to the FAI std player contract and under the FAI’s own rules as printed on the std player contract by virtue of signing the std player’s contract this nullified the so-called secondary contract in the first place.

    D Doherty also pointed out that the FAI had been in possession of the outdated secondary contract since 4 September 2009 and asked if this was their main evidence why have they only chosen to act now?

    S O’Shea totally disregarded D Doherty’s submissions by saying the decision was final with no recourse for appeal.

    D Doherty asked when the club could expect to receive its money from the FAI for finishing fourth place in the league, and also when it should expect to receive prize monies for participating in the Europa League.

    Mr Delaney said that as the contract between them and Derry has been terminated the FAI has ruled that there were only nine teams in the league so there would be no monies being paid to DCFC! He added that consideration would be give to the payment of European prize money.

    S O’Shea called an end to the meeting at this point saying that there was a press conference organised and it needed to get underway, she informed us that we were not allowed to attend but if we waited in the foyer we could talk to the press afterwards to make our own statements.

    P McDaid asked for and was given permission to speak.

    He made an impassioned declaration refuting totally any claims of wrong doing, he stated that he felt the treatment of the Derry City representatives was disgraceful and that all those who were a party to this ‘stitch up job’ should be totally ashamed of themselves, he said that we were brought here to be proverbially hung drawn and quartered simply to make a high profile example of and this was made much easier to do by virtue of the fact we came from the North of the island.

    He said that the decision was very clearly made before today and there were hidden agenda’s involved against the only club outside the south of Ireland.

    He concluded by saying that in making this decision the FAI had shown total disregard and total contempt for the Players, Supporters, Management, Volunteers, and Officials of Derry City Football Club not to mention the people of Derry City itself.

    The Hearing ended at 5.55pm

    Joe W Doherty
    Club Secretary Derry City F.C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Pineapple stu


    Derry wasnt relegated and now need to apply to join the league again if the appeal fails. If they get put in the first division will they promote another first division club to make room like one of the teams in the play offs or refuse salthills place in the league. The realistic place for derry would be in the A league.
    I can see another farce come march when we dont know who will be in what league due to extended deadlines for licences .

    Derry had broken the players contracts anyway by not paying them for 8 weeks so deserve what they got.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭elshambo


    bohsman wrote: »
    The clued in Derry fans are siding with the FAI which says it all really.

    The clued in ones have been bitching for about 1.5 years and been constantly told to shut up apparently


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    The statement from Derry City makes out they were all surprised about being thrown out of the League and it came out of the blue.

    Yet, I was hearing for days on every news bulletin on Newstalk that they faced being kicked out.

    Are they telling porkies, or do they live on a desert island?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    PDN wrote: »
    The statement from Derry City makes out they were all surprised about being thrown out of the League and it came out of the blue.

    Yet, I was hearing for days on every news bulletin on Newstalk that they faced being kicked out.

    Are they telling porkies, or do they live on a desert island?

    You can approach it one of two ways:

    1) The FAI have been such an incompetent bunch of morons for as far back as we can remember that if Derry say the meeting was a shambles / they were unfairly treated - it's probably true;

    2) The FAI are considered such a shambles because they have a long history of letting clubs off the hook in similar situations / bending the rules constantly, etc. As such, Derry must have really ****ed up big time for them to take such a strong stance on the matter;

    I don't know, pick your poison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭fh041205


    cymro wrote: »
    If they get put in the first division will they promote another first division club to make room like one of the teams in the play offs or refuse salthills place in the league.

    After the playoffs, there will be 10 teams in the premier and 11 in the First division (Kildare now almost certain not to return). If Derry come in there won't be any need wahtsoever to promote anyone so I can't see why you would think this.....:confused:

    If the FAI do get the players to own up to having 2 contracts by Thursday, it will make Pat McDaid look like a fool. A lot of people seem to believe he's talking through his ar*e and I hope hes shown up by the players if he is.

    Btw Corks 2.35 mil was wages for 2008 I believe. I read that somewhere yesterday, I'll try and find it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭fh041205


    Heres the article,

    Irish Daily Mail


    Derry warned: Your survival is at stake
    By: PHILIP QUINN

    CRISIS club Derry City are on the brink of demotion to the First Division as punishment for apparent anomalies in their players' contracts for the 2009 season.

    The pride of the north-west, currently fourth in the Premier Division ahead of tonight's final game of the season at Dundalk, appear destined for a fall to the lower tier of Irish club football over a relative pittance compared to the £750,000 they owe creditors.

    FAI chiefs met behind closed doors last night to decide on Derry's fate with John Delaney, the FAI chief executive, admitting he had 'grave concerns' for the future of the club. Fran Gavin, the League of Ireland director, warned 'the survival of the club is at stake'.

    The Derry distress signals were sent out following a summit at Abbotstown on Wednesday night between senior League of Ireland figures and Derry chairman Pat McDaid, the outcome of which prompted Delaney's intervention.

    Without being specific about what emerged at the meeting, Delaney outlined a bleak future for the twice league champions.

    Pointedly, he did not make reference to the club's huge debts. 'If any club provide material financial information and it's subsequently proven that information is incorrect, then you have to take action. You have to be fair to the clubs who have played by the rules,' said Delaney.

    'We got the May accounts earlier from Derry in the year where we noticed things weren't as good as they should have been, after which we put a transfer embargo in to make sure there was no increased spend on bringing in extra players 'I was concerned for Derry then and I'd have graver concerns after what I heard last night,' added Delaney, who said events would move fast and that a decision on Derry's future is likely today.

    'We have to deal with the events of last night, which were reported to me, in a difficult manner.

    'The outcome of that meeting will be determined pretty quickly. Because if we take certain sanctions, it affects the play-offs,' he added.

    That remark suggests there is a distinct possibility that Bray Wanderers, who finished 10th in the Premier Division, may now play ninth-placed Drogheda United in the play-offs, while St Pat's, Sligo Rovers and Galway United could be spared Asked if Derry City would be playing in the Premier Division next season, Delaney said: 'I think their situation is grave. In what guise they survive or in what division they play in will be determined as events unfold, I don't know.

    'It's up to the people who run the club to salvage it, but the ramifications of the meeting and the content which was discussed, could be quite severe.' Discrepancies in player contracts appears to be a particular area of FAI concern.

    Sportsmail was told of one senior player whose contract, submitted to the FAI, had him being paid 'X' amount but that he was also being paid a separate sum on another contract.

    Delaney is acutely aware of the value which Derry have brought to the League since they joined in 1985 and won't want to lose one of the biggest and best supported clubs they have.

    'When Derry came into the League, they brought thousands of fans for Cup finals. I know what it means to the FAI to have Derry in the League; and I know what it means to the people of Derry too,' he said.

    €8.6MWAGE BILL FOUR clubs spent €8.6million on players' wages in 2008, according to League figures released yesterday. Cork City spent most with €2.35m, ahead of Drogheda with €2.25m — both had 10 points deducted for entering examinership. St Pat's spent €2.2m and champions Bohemians €1.9m. Salaries to players made up 50 per cent of all expenditure while debts to directors and banks made up 61 per cent of all clubs' liabilities.

    From next year, wages to managers and coaches will be factored into the salary cap protocol. Club's losses were down to €2.7m in 2008 while attendances in the Premier Division for 2009 are up 17 per cent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Pineapple stu


    fh041205 wrote: »
    After the playoffs, there will be 10 teams in the premier and 11 in the First division (Kildare now almost certain not to return). If Derry come in there won't be any need wahtsoever to promote anyone so I can't see why you would think this.....:confused:

    If the FAI do get the players to own up to having 2 contracts by Thursday, it will make Pat McDaid look like a fool. A lot of people seem to believe he's talking through his ar*e and I hope hes shown up by the players if he is.

    Btw Corks 2.35 mil was wages for 2008 I believe. I read that somewhere yesterday, I'll try and find it.

    Salthill were due to play kildare for promotion, with kildare now gone salthill should get their place.

    If it had happened to Dundalk there would be a chap with a petrol can heading for abbotstown now :)

    Was it an unpaid player that blew the whistle on derry?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    The board at Derry at the minute dont know what to do.

    Instead of paying Dungannon from McGinn they bought Ger O'Brien.

    Here is an article on FAI bailing out Bohs

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-bail-out-bohs-1907499.html

    Also since Derry are no longer apart of League of Ireland does that mean the League lose Derry European performances in the past few season, and drop back down to been unseeded teams in the early rounds

    And the FAI are one step closer to their Dublin League

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭fh041205


    I believe it was Darren Quigleys contract which started the suspicions. AFAIK he went to the FAI when he wasn't being paid (or possibly PFAI which would make more sense). The contract details he showed them were different to the ones Derry provided. Fran Gavin mentioned on MNS tonight that this had been going on for years......YEARS ffs.

    I wasn't aware of a playoff between Salthill and Kildare. That makes a bit more sense alright. I heard rumours that Mervue want out aswell. Could be a very small league next year by the time March comes round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman



    Theres certainly a headline claiming there was a bailout but nothing about it in the article, just mentions standard procedure for Irish teams (including Derry) competing in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Well if you Bohs fans dont want to belive your team is living beond its means then more fools you.

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    Well if you Bohs wants dont want to belive your team is living beond its means then more fools you.

    Completely different argument.

    Since our new board have come in we look to have fixed the Dalymount problem, looks like we will be within 65% and our budget is massively reduced for next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    What about this season when the books are look at will you be demoted to the 1st Division for next season like Shelbourne were?

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    What about this season when the books are look at will you be demoted to the 1st Division for next season like Shelbourne were?

    No idea what you are talking about and I suspect you dont either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    All the books are look at, at the end of the season and they way bohs have been handing out contracts to players as coaches they will be over the 65% limit.

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    All the books are look at, at the end of the season and they way bohs have been handing out contracts to players as coaches they will be over the 65% limit.

    As I said all at the club are confident that we will be within the 65% cap. Mark Rossiter is paid as a coach but that is nothing to do with the wage cap, its to do with an insurance payout he received which meant he can never play professional football again. Also coaching staff wages dont come into effect till next year under the wage cap.

    Enjoy blaming everyone but yourselves, worked for Pats...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    I am not blaming everyone the board at Derry since Jim Roddy left have been shocking and dont seem to know what they are doing.

    But from here it does look like a witch hunt to get Derry out of the league, Cork have been in money trouble all season and Bohs look to be living beond their means having to get funds for next seaon early from the FAI.

    ******



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    Your club knowingly cheated. Get over it, and take your bleedin' oil! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    bohsman wrote: »
    As I said all at the club are confident that we will be within the 65% cap.

    Of course they are. The big hole in teh wage gap rule is that its only players, all other staff are exempt from it. According to last seasons books Bohs paid over 100k on the under 9's squad!!! Now tell me what the hell did the under 9's do last season that cost that much or is Jason Byrne registered as a 9 year old coach?

    How many excellent players did you find in amongst the bar men at Dalymount. I'd hate to see the staff bill for bar staff in a bar that makes a couple of hundred a week.

    The real concern for Bohs fans in my opinion would be the bail out in July. The FAI gave you an advance on earnings which lets call a spade a spade is a bail out as it went on player wages. If Bohs can't pay player wages in July which is mid season with a European cup run going what are you going to do now with 3 months without earnings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    So you're worried about the fact that Rovers took a similar handout?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Hard Worker


    bohsman wrote: »
    So you're worried about the fact that Rovers took a similar handout?

    All clubs were offered a similar handout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    All clubs were offered a similar handout.

    True.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    But from here it does look like a witch hunt to get Derry out of the league, Cork have been in money trouble all season and Bohs look to be living beond their means having to get funds for next seaon early from the FAI.
    Derry blatantly broke the rules – the FAI are on a sound legal footing in expelling them from the league. The same is not true of Cork or Bohs – neither are in breach of the participation agreement at this time (as far as I am aware). It does however seem that Cork may have some problems securing a license for next season unless they seriously reduce their expenditure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Could we end up with just one tier I wonder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,047 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Des wrote: »
    Could we end up with just one tier I wonder.

    That would be awful.

    A league needs relegation and promotion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭Töpher


    The 'A' league could still exist, and the clubs promoted from there would see increased gates from playing the larger PD teams at home than only getting the usual First Division teams? It could potentially the 'wealth' spread among more clubs?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    That would be awful.

    A league needs relegation and promotion.

    Yeah, you're right of course.

    Just looking at Kildare County and Mervue seemingly wanting out too (how is Galway going to maintain three teams if they stay? :eek:).

    People talk about having "no local team", but when the franchises are put in place, like Kildare, they only last a couple of seasons and then disappear.

    Just something doing the rounds on Shelsweb, we were the last team to play Dublin City, and Kildare County.

    Be funny if Torpedo folded tomorrow after playing us tonight.

    "Franchise Killers"!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Pineapple stu


    Dont forget that Dublin City were sharing Bohs ground when they folded :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭doncarlos


    Des wrote: »
    Just something doing the rounds on Shelsweb, we were the last team to play Dublin City, and Kildare County.

    Be funny if Torpedo folded tomorrow after playing us tonight.

    "Franchise Killers"!:D

    Any chance in getting a friendly organised against Drogheda? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Players admit dual contracts, chairman resigns, FAI to step in

    http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2773/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Des wrote: »
    Players admit dual contracts, chairman resigns, FAI to step in

    http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2773/

    And in comes the overhaul, so we'll now see Derry in the 1st Division with Shels next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    no player was aware of the existence of a second document which contained different figures to the one which we had originally agreed.

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH.....................AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


    yeah fcuking right.

    Now thats one club purged and ready for next season.


    next!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,312 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Thank god we got rid of that board. Hard way to do it but hopefully something will be sorted out

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Dodgykeeper


    Feel a whole lot better about the chances of seeing Derry in the League next year!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭fh041205


    'As of today, the FAI has accepted these players' assurances that they were not personally aware of any financial irregularities at the club.

    Interesting. Wonder what they're basing this on. Given that Quigley alleged he signed a blank document, I would hold him at least partially responsible for doing something so stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Quint


    What a disgrace the chairman was! A few days ago when the FAI decided to kick them out of the league it was all "shame on the fai" and all sorts of lies about one player only having a holding contract. He threatened to bring the FAI to court, and he said he'd get a block on them paying out any prize money to any club till Derry got theirs. He said this knowing almost all clubs badly needed that prize money! I feel sorry for the fans, but the book should really be thrown at the club for actions like that.
    Completely in the wrong, the FAI knew it, but still denying it and willing to financially cripple any club to get their way! Horrible behaviour


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