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Do pubs/nightclubs have a duty of care

  • 08-11-2009 11:32am
    #1
    salonfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭


    ...to their customers? Last night I was standing outside a club when two bouncers threw a girl out in a heap outside.

    She was completely totaled, didn't even know her own name type of way

    Anyway, a couple of us sat her down, made sure she's alright, and she was getting really sick

    However, isn't it really easy to swallow your tongue or choke on your vomit if you get in this state?

    Question is Do pubs/nightclubs have a duty of care?
    Should they look after people who go overboard with the drink?
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  • #2
    Lump
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    Morally they probably should have called an ambulance, not sure if they legally have any obligation.


  • #3
    cruiser178
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    salonfire wrote: »
    ...to their customers? Last night I was standing outside a club when two bouncers threw a girl out in a heap outside.

    She was completely totaled, didn't even know her own name type of way

    Anyway, a couple of us sat her down, made sure she's alright, and she was getting really sick

    However, isn't it really easy to swallow your tongue or choke on your vomit if you get in this state?

    Question is Do pubs/nightclubs have a duty of care?
    Should they look after people who go overboard with the drink?
    More importantly was she hot.


  • #4
    dny123456
    Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭dny123456


    Swallowing your tongue would be fairly tricky even when sober!


  • #5
    tallaght01
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    Lump wrote: »
    Morally they probably should have called an ambulance, not sure if they legally have any obligation.

    I think they're obliged not to sell you enough booze to get that totalled.


  • #6
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Do people not have a duty of care to themselves any more? Why should the state she was in be anyone's responsibility but her own?


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Do people not have a duty of care to themselves any more? Why should the state she was in be anyone's responsibility but her own?

    In case she swallows her tongue. We've all been in that state at some point..


  • #8
    !_Brian_!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭!_Brian_!


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Do people not have a duty of care to themselves any more? Why should the state she was in be anyone's responsibility but her own?

    +1.


  • #9
    julien05
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭julien05


    alcohol its powwerful. theres a thin line for some ppl btwn tipsy and locked. especially smaller framed ppl. it takes some time to realise its not for u, whichh is tough in ireland eu where ppl enjoy drink/socialising . :) so eh ring a taxi r sumthin


  • #10
    stovelid
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    It's wrong to just throw somebody out but they probably have to deal with hundreds of such cases while trying to keep order inside.


  • #11
    julien05
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭julien05


    sounds like a battleground alrite with only one bouncer.


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  • #12
    davyjose
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    salonfire wrote: »
    ...to their customers? Last night I was standing outside a club when two bouncers threw a girl out in a heap outside.
    They were probably just trying to bounce-her

    <gets coat>


  • #13
    omahaid
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    julien05 wrote: »
    alcohol its powwerful. theres a thin line for some ppl btwn tipsy and locked. especially smaller framed ppl. it takes some time to realise its not for u, whichh is tough in ireland eu where ppl enjoy drink/socialising . :) so eh ring a taxi r sumthin

    Are you demonstrating how powerful it is this minute? :D


  • #14
    DigiGal
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    cruiser178 wrote: »
    More importantly was she hot.
    In to passed out girls...


    wouldn't be too quick to admit that on the net ;)


  • #15
    DigiGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Do people not have a duty of care to themselves any more? Why should the state she was in be anyone's responsibility but her own?
    Wow.....ever hear of empathy


    Perfect are we?
    Never got into a state yourself...how would you feel if your daughter or sister or friend was in that state and some just said "ah shes her own responsability" and then she gets raped or dies of alcohol poisoning or ends up getting run over or mugged or beaten up or chokes on her own vomit....

    Well aren't you the nice guy


  • #16
    davyjose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    DigiGal wrote: »
    In to passed out girls...


    wouldn't be too quick to admit that on the net

    I would have thought that was the best -- possibly the only -- place to admit it?


  • #17
    DigiGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    davyjose wrote: »
    I would have thought that was the best -- possibly the only -- place to admit it?
    I suppose your right.....


    Best not to admit it all tho, less chance of getting caught :D


  • #18
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    DigiGal wrote: »
    Wow.....ever hear of empathy


    Perfect are we?
    Never got into a state yourself...how would you feel if your daughter or sister or friend was in that state and some just said "ah shes her own responsability" and then she gets raped or dies of alcohol poisoning or ends up getting run over or mugged or beaten up or chokes on her own vomit....

    Well aren't you the nice guy
    Of course I've gotten into a state. But it was me that got me there. I've never blamed someone else for the states I've been in and never felt that I was someone else's responsibility.


  • #19
    DigiGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭DigiGal


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Of course I've gotten into a state. But it was me that got me there. I've never blamed someone else for the states I've been in and never felt that I was someone else's responsibility.
    But would you really like someone to just leave you on the street outside some nightclub...

    honestly


    of course its her fault for getting into a state but I could never just leave someone there...especially if it was in my nightclub


  • #20
    TanG411
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    DigiGal wrote: »
    But would you really like someone to just leave you on the street outside some nightclub...

    honestly


    of course its her fault for getting into a state but I could never just leave someone there...especially if it was in my nightclub

    That's hard to say though. If you were running a nightclub every night and you see people getting wasted and finding it difficult to stand, then you'd probably get sick of it and just tell your bouncer to chuck them out.

    The least the nightclub could have done is to ring a taxi.


  • #21
    Pherekydes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In case she swallows her tongue. We've all been in that state at some point..

    Even teetotalers and light drinkers? :rolleyes:

    Sounds like Brendan McWilliams.

    No we ALL haven't done anything.


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  • #22
    DigiGal
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    Larkin91 wrote: »
    That's hard to say though. If you were running a nightclub every night and you see people getting wasted and finding it difficult to stand, then you'd probably get sick of it and just tell your bouncer to chuck them out.

    The least the nightclub could have done is to ring a taxi.
    I worked in a nightclub for a good while I've seen people in bits but I've always had the bar manager ring them a taxi and got em a glass of water, they had to wait outside though incase of vomit.

    As far as I kow they just want to get them outside as quick as possible in most places though because then they aren't a liability, its a legal thing

    Fair enough a bloke who is locked but a girl could be raped or worse.


  • #23
    number10a
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Do people not have a duty of care to themselves any more? Why should the state she was in be anyone's responsibility but her own?

    +1

    We've all done it. But it was always our own fault. I'm the first to put my hands up to it. No one ever forced me up through the crowd to the counter to ask for that triple vodka and three shots of Goldschlager and a tequila for good measure. I'm not throwing stones at anyone for going out and making a mess of themselves (it'd be a bit hypocritical), but ultimately it's their own fault and the club/pub/State should not have to nanny people to make sure that they're going to get home safely if they're so píssed they can't even remember what city they're in. We're just lucky to live in a country where people still aren't afraid to see after a stranger who needs help. Well done salonfire for what you did. It's really admirable.

    That said though, did this girl not go out with friends? I'm guessing she didn't head out on her own for the night. Where were they? Why weren't they looking after her?


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Even teetotalers and light drinkers? :rolleyes:

    Sounds like Brendan McWilliams.

    No we ALL haven't done anything.

    Grand, don't take it personally.
    It's a Sunday morning, relax.


  • #25
    drkpower
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    DigiGal wrote: »
    of course its her fault for getting into a state but I could never just leave someone there...especially if it was in my nightclub

    So when you pass drunk homeless people on the streets do you call an ambulance/comfort them/bring them home? Or is it just girls who get hammered and fall out of nightclubs?


  • #26
    El Weirdo
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    DigiGal wrote: »
    I worked in a nightclub for a good while I've seen people in bits but I've always had the bar manager ring them a taxi and got em a glass of water, they had to wait outside though incase of vomit.

    As far as I kow they just want to get them outside as quick as possible in most places though because then they aren't a liability, its a legal thing

    Fair enough a bloke who is locked but a girl could be raped or worse.
    Yeah, because men can't be raped or murdered.

    Fair enough, it would have been the decent thing to call the girl a taxi or something but this legal duty of care thing is what bothers me. Why should someone else be held accountable for the state YOU get yourself in.

    Its that attitude that means I can't get a few cans of beer at 10.45pm and has the government telling me that I have to go home at 12.30.


  • #27
    c - 13
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    DigiGal wrote: »
    ... Fair enough a bloke who is locked but a girl could be raped or worse.

    Yep because we all know a bloke could never get mugged, raped or the ****e kicked out of him for no reason other than he was an easy target :rolleyes:

    The club has no responsibility, as already stated its the persons own responsibility if they get themselves to that state.


  • #28
    DigiGal
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    drkpower wrote: »
    So when you pass drunk homeless people on the streets do you call an ambulance/comfort them/bring them home? Or is it just girls who get hammered and fall out of nightclubs?
    actually yeah i do


  • #29
    number10a
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    DigiGal wrote: »
    actually yeah i do

    it must take you hours to walk down o'connell street so.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    c - 13 wrote: »
    The club has no responsibility, as already stated its the persons own responsibility if they get themselves to that state.

    Does the same apply to drug dealers?

    By your logic, you should have no problem with a heroin dealer?


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  • #31
    sam34
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    drkpower wrote: »
    So when you pass drunk homeless people on the streets do you call an ambulance/comfort them/bring them home? Or is it just girls who get hammered and fall out of nightclubs?
    DigiGal wrote: »
    actually yeah i do

    which do you do? cause saying "i do" to all 3 doesnt really make sense


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