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Thought Experiment - New Drug Discovered

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    #32
    banshee_bones
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    flying _squirl wrote: »
    heh, yea, i know :o just wanted to say it wasn't my original intent

    food for thought:
    Top ten most dangerous drugs:
    1. Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
    2. Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
    3. Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
    4. Street Methadone
    5. Alcohol
    6. Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
    7. Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
    8. Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
    9. Tobacco
    10. Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.

    NOTE: not too sure of the credibility of that site :/ anyone got a better source?
    slightly better:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list

    Thought that Crystal Meth was the most addictive drug around? no? :confused:


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    #33
    Abi
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    flying _squirl wrote: »
    Just a quick thought experiment. I wanna see what other Irish people would say.

    Alternate reality: It's 2009, a new drug has been discovered the main effect of which is decreased inhibition.

    The side effects, depending on exposure, include, but are not limited to, inability to reason, nausea, vomiting, loosing conciousness, headaches, depression, liver damage and even birth defects.

    Is this new drug, 'alcohol', legalised? Thoughts?


    I'd say it'd get banned right off the bat and that the government would roll out a massive anti-drug campaign and an education program dealing with the harmful effects of this new danger


    EDIT: This isn't intended as an argument to legalise other drugs bdw, just want to see what you'd think about it if it was just discovered

    EDITEDIT: just wanted to add in birth defects and liver damage to the side effects list


    Nuns! Nuns! reverse! reverrrrse!


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    #34
    mikom
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    flying _squirl wrote: »

    The side effects, depending on exposure, include, but are not limited to, inability to reason, nausea, vomiting, loosing conciousness, headaches, depression, liver damage and even birth defects.

    Forgot to include droopy dick.


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    #35
    My name is URL
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    mikom wrote: »
    Forgot to include droopy dick.

    Ah the old Brewer's Droop, nothing a pair of toothpicks can't fix


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    #36
    mikom
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Ah the old Brewer's Droop, nothing a pair of toothpicks can't fix

    Yep, apparently alcohol related impotence is on the rise.......


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    #37
    AntoSRFC
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    [cm]tyranny wrote: »
    As has been stated before, "addictive" and "dangerous" aren't necessarily the same thing though.

    I agree 100%. Although they are related. But never said they were the same thing. I just stated crack is alot more addictive.


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    #38
    AntoSRFC
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    vinylmesh wrote: »
    No-one would do it, not even the homeless. Instead people would get the same effects from a far safer drug (probably a benzo or possibly ghb).

    MDMA would also have never taken off because people wouldn't be used to the idea of accepting a horrible aftermath as part of a good weekend.

    Werent people hospitalised recently using it? I know it probally was from overdose or mixing it with other substances but still in my mind it isnt a safe drug.

    Also i have no experience taking pure MDMA but isnt there a come down and a Midweek crash associated with it?


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    #39
    flying _squirl
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    Joey the lips wrote: »
    This is another cannibas arguement right..... The same could be said for ciggerattes. Then again petrol as it harms the environment. The list goes on.
    flying _squirl wrote: »
    [...]
    This isn't intended as an argument to legalise other drugs bdw, just want to see what you'd think about it if it was just discovered

    Actually it was meant as a thought experiment to take a different look at the actual effects of alcohol and how integrated and accepted it is in our modern society despite its dangerous and toxic effects

    before you ask, yea, I do drink. (vodka for me plz ^_^) but when i thought about it I was just kinda surprised at how accepted it is considering its harmful effects and wanted to see what other people thought


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    #40
    ScumLord
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    All new drugs are banned weather their dangerous or not so yes if alcohol came out today it would be illegal.


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    #41
    peasant
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    flying _squirl wrote: »
    alcohol and how integrated and accepted it is in our modern society despite its dangerous and toxic effects

    Just for the record:
    It is absolutely possible to "use" alcohol all your life, to actually enjoy it without ever getting a hangover, never mind doing damage to your health.

    (probably only works if you're not Irish, though :pac:)


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    #42
    ScumLord
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    peasant wrote: »
    Just for the record:
    It is absolutely possible to "use" alcohol all your life, to actually enjoy it without ever getting a hangover, never mind doing damage to your health.

    (probably only works if you're not Irish, though :pac:)
    Still though half the fun of alcohol is the fact you can act like an ass and the next day it's considered funny. Ireland is fairly unique in that nobody can talk down to you for being a drunken fool because everyone including the gossip up the road has been there so it's all one big joke instead.


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    #43
    MrMicra
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    Viagra is dangerous as all get out. It gives you horrible palpitations and splitting headaches. Nobody knows what it will do in the long term.

    Well worth it


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    #44
    Prof.Badass
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    AntoSRFC wrote: »
    Werent people hospitalised recently using it? I know it probally was from overdose or mixing it with other substances but still in my mind it isnt a safe drug.

    For a drug with the same effects as alcohol it's about as safe as you could expect.

    It's found naturally in the human body and is broken right down to CO2 and water. It gives no hangover and is completely non-toxic in the long term. It's also more pro-social than alcohol with a lesser tendency to cause violence. In the list that was mentioned previously (where alcohol came in at #5), ghb came in at #17.

    The problem is that on the street it comes in a liquid of unknown concentration, making it impossible to know what dose you are taking.

    To make things worse, many people aren't aware of the effects of ghb (partly because of the idiotic nickname "liquid ecstacy"). As it has very simmilar effects to alcohol, taking it while already plastered could be like doubling the amount of alcohol you have drank :eek:. How ghb overdoses aren't a lot more common is completely beyond me.

    If it was sold legally in pills with a measured dose, and a simple campaign of "GHB has the same effects as alcohol, don't take it when already drunk. You could die" it is my belief that it would benifit society greatly. Far much more so than legalising cannabis or any other drug.
    Also i have no experience taking pure MDMA but isnt there a come down and a Midweek crash associated with it?

    That's what i was saying.


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    #45
    espinolman
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    flying _squirl wrote: »

    Is this new drug, 'alcohol', legalised? Thoughts?


    It would probably be made illegal , because they could make a lot from it , selling it on the black market


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    #46
    AntoSRFC
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    vinylmesh wrote: »
    That's what i was saying.

    Sorry miss read your post.

    Is GHB that popular in Ireland?


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    #47
    bigeasyeah
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    I d love a pint


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    #48
    smegmar
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    not the best video, but the sketch is good.

    When Sir Walter Raleigh first discovered tobacco if he had the use of a phone the conversation would have gone like this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEIBKWOAa9A


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    #49
    Prof.Badass
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    AntoSRFC wrote: »
    Sorry miss read your post.

    Is GHB that popular in Ireland?

    No idea tbh. You can order it's precursors over the internet so it wouldn't be incredibly rare, but besides that i wouldn't know.


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