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Unstable guy throws a wobbler on RTE!!!

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    #62
    ateam
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    I think they allowed him to make a complete fool of himself. They must have thought for a second that this great orator had turned up in the audience, here comes someone who will bring the debate up to the face of the minister....

    Then they discover a guy who is two seconds away from ripping the chair off the studio floor and bouncing it off Kenny, he has no real argument, he resorts to implied agression to make his point because his rant cannot stand up on its own merits, then he starts sh*teing on about suing a woman with a field...

    A terrible judgement call by RTE...

    Hmmm a bit over excited I think you might be. He's a nutjob - I think the story ends there. Great TV.


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    #63
    PeteEd
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    FunnyStuff wrote: »
    very funny stuff, mouth was moving much faster than his brain, the lady beside him managed to keep hear face expressionless, i'd have wet myself

    she had wet herself but that was only with all the slabbers rolling out of his mouth!!!
    Great TV though!


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    #64
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Frontline in the Old West.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U


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    #65
    Darragh29
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    I think your man on RTE tonight could have done with a few PR lessons from Gabby Johnson... Or maybe he has just completed a FAS course in public speaking....


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    #66
    Scofflaw
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    Moved to News & Media - possibly AH would have been more appropriate.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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    #67
    starbelgrade
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    There isn't a single politician or TV personality that couldn't be accused of being overpaid, so why single out Kenny???

    Possibly because Kenny was hosting the show.


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    #68
    PeteEd
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    fair play, no editing on the repeat tonight
    keep on pontificating pat!!!!


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    #69
    donaghs
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    vinylrules wrote: »
    For those who think the guy had some good points - maybe he did but where will this end? Maybe at Croke Park on Saturday someone should rant at the footballers for earning ridiculous amounts of money for kicking a few balls about the place and getting the odd one on target. Or at a U2 show we could have a go at Bono for earning all that tax free money.

    Footballers aren't paid by our TV licences, or the massive RTE subventions from the government (i.e. taxpayer).
    Off topic: neither is Bono, but he is a massive hypocrite to ask people to pay more tax while he does his best to pay as little as possible.
    vinylrules wrote: »
    Of course most RTE personalites are very well paid - it's the fault of those who pay them e.g. RTE management. I reckon there'll be quite a shock for many of the big names when it comes around to signing the next contract. The money just won't be there.
    True, the management should get better savings from a lot of what happens in RTE. RTE are always looking for higher licence fees etc, on top of their advertising and other revenue, so they may find ways of keeping those salaries high.
    vinylrules wrote: »
    Anyway, the politics of envy never looks pretty no matter what way you look at it.
    Agree it didn't come across well. But on the other hand, a lot of people trying to survive on less money don't want to be lectured to by wealthy celebrities.


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    #70
    me_right_one
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    vinylrules wrote: »
    I thought Pat handled it pretty well. They could easily have cut to a break but they let the guy rant for quite a while, until he began to repeat himself. If Pat was rattled he certainly didn't show it.

    For those who think the guy had some good points - maybe he did but where will this end? Maybe at Croke Park on Saturday someone should rant at the footballers for earning ridiculous amounts of money for kicking a few balls about the place and getting the odd one on target. Or at a U2 show we could have a go at Bono for earning all that tax free money.

    Maybe they should. Yerman may not have been the most dignified for himself, but you have to stand up and make your voice heard when something is wrong. How dignified were the leaders of 1916 when they were being executed?


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    #71
    me_right_one
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Where has this guy been living for the last ten years, we dropped the auld "£" many years ago...

    Its not even 10 years yet:confused:


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    Rantan
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    Maybe they should. Yerman may not have been the most dignified for himself, but you have to stand up and make your voice heard when something is wrong. How dignified were the leaders of 1916 when they were being executed?


    Oh come on!!! The poor guy is clearly unstable and in need of help - anyone who thinks he made a valid point and should be commended is just as mad.
    Regarding the 1916 leaders, I would imagine thay were a lot more dignified and together than that poor nut, he is unhinged.
    Granted, Kenny earns way too much, but he has already taken a substantial paycut, and of course he could afford to earn less. But in all fairness thats not the way to make a point. If we all stopped paying our TV license fee maybe then RTE would have to reduce the pay of the top earners.


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    #73
    Sizzler
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    Today FM now, the guy is on with Ray D'arcy.


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    #74
    BarryM
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    deadhead13 wrote: »
    It reminded me of Eamon Dunphy ranting about Cowen earning more than the US President on the Marian Finucane show earlier in the year. We discover a few months later that Dunphy actually earns more than both of them for his punditry work on RTE.

    But yer man the ranter doesn't.

    Dunphy is an opportunist; good on him too, he must have known his income would be brought up. He isn't the Taoiseach....


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    #75
    me_right_one
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    Rantan wrote: »
    Oh come on!!! The poor guy is clearly unstable and in need of help - anyone who thinks he made a valid point and should be commended is just as mad.
    Regarding the 1916 leaders, I would imagine thay were a lot more dignified and together than that poor nut, he is unhinged.

    Ah come on yourself! Yes, he is obviously mentally handicapped / disabled. That doesnt mean anything he says is bull tho. There's two types of crazy - One, where there's nothing actually wrong with you, you just dont give a sh1t and do crazy stuff, like charles manson and hitler, and then there's the one where you actually are mentally ill, and can have difficulties, but that doesnt mean everything you say / do is invalid. eg Christy Brown. This guy is the Christy Brown one, hand motions and all! He even mentions the disabled, thats possibly why he's so angry. I agree he overdid it, and got personal with PK which he shouldnt have, but you have to admit he's right:cool: Re the point about 1916 leaders, fair play to them X1000000000000. They stood up, caused a commotion, and paid the bloody top price for it! I doubt they looked too dignified lying crumpled up and full of holes. My point is sometimes you have to be undignified. Its part of life. Nobody's poo smells sweeter than the next persons. I wouldnt hold the undignity against the guy. He just went a bit too far, no bigee.


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    #76
    mike65
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    Anyone surprised that RTE didn't cut to an ad break or potters wheel?


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    #77
    Villain
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    He is on Today FM talking for the last 5 minutes


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    #78
    mike65
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    Uh oh, he is a born again fundamentalist Christian.


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    #79
    furiousox
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    Just what we need, another f'ing joe coleman! :mad:

    CPL 593H



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    #80
    Rantan
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    Ah come on yourself! Yes, he is in need of help. That doesnt mean anything he says is bull tho. There's two types of crazy - One, where there's nothing actually wrong with you, you just dont give a sh1t and do crazy stuff, like charles manson and hitler, and then there's the one where you actually are mentally ill, and can have difficulties, but that doesnt mean everything you say / do is invalid. eg Christy Brown. This guy is the Christy Brown one, hand motions and all! He even mentions the disabled, thats possibly why he's so angry. I agree he overdid it, and got personal with PK which he shouldnt have, but you have to admit he's right:cool: Re the point about 1916 leaders, fair play to them X1000000000000. They stood up, caused a commotion, and paid the bloody top price for it! I doubt they looked too dignified lying crumpled up and full of holes.

    The same guy just told Ray Darcy he'd pressent Frontline for €400 a week!

    I can imagine it now, Pearse, just before he died "right I'm off to sue some old woman with a field for a million quid..."


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    #81
    irish_bob
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    What ya make of that?!?!?

    god be with the days when fruitcakes like this were locked up unlike now where you litterally have to kill someone before they put you in the big house

    apparrently he went psycho at one of richard dawkins talks aswell

    pat is certainly earning his salary


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    #82
    irish_bob
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    Anger like this cannot be bought.

    Michael O Brien's assessment of the situation was far more damning. The appearence, and some incoherence of the fella was a slight downfall. However, it is necessary to pull RTE up over this.

    Its a shame that Mary Hanafin can be given a soapbox to proffer platitudes, while answering nothing in the affirmative. Then we have to move on to Miley Cyrus, who is irrelevant to the crisis, and is of no consequence.

    michael o briens piece was possibley the most genuine heartfelt moving speech ever heard on tv or radio in this country , i had tears in my eyes

    last night was a rant by some unhinged psycho which said more about our liberal laws regarding the crazy than it did about pat kenny or anything else for that matter


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    #83
    Sizzler
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    He called Begg & O'Connor 'champagne socialists', he got that much right :)


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    #84
    KetchupKid
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    I'm sorry I missed the Darcy interview this morning, did Kenny's Hecler sound crazy on the radio? I ask this because I'm not 100% convinced he is crazy. He was obviously very stressed, I suspect he's unemployed and feeling the bite of the recession, has a lot of anger and when he started speaking got nervous and just lost the plot. For someone who never spoke on live TV to get the mic and then try to express yourself while filled with a lot of anger and resent isn't easy.

    I have mixed feelings about Kenny, but for 900K or 600K a year for 11 hrs of work per week is crazy! Yer man pointed out that Kenny makes more than Obama and then started to allude to CBS, which would have been a better comparison. I'm sure Kenny doesn't make as much as his American media equivalents like Jay Leno, Katie Couric or Dan Rather, but there are two key differences - 1. the US has an audience that's 100 times bigger than Ireland 2. US television isn't funded by a TV license. That's my biggest gripe with Kenny and all of RTE is the ridiculous TV license. RTE needs to decide if they want to be a Private company and pay whatever salaries they feel the market allows and drop the TV License or be paid like civil servants, but not like FAS civil servants like Roddy Molloy.

    I also loved the line about the field. Another poster said that the lady was actually suing Kenny, that's correct, beating cause Kenny stole their land. I don't care if this country has crazy laws that allow people to "steal" land from others, but what Kenny tried to do was morrally wrong. To quote yer man, Kenny "shouldn't be up there pontificating" when he himself has skeletons in his closet. Maybe the Plank has been renamed to Pat The Pontificating Plank!


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    deadhead13
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    irish_bob wrote: »
    god be with the days when fruitcakes like this were locked up unlike now where you litterally have to kill someone before they put you in the big house

    Locked up for what exactly? The past was no golden age of mental health care.


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    irish_bob
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    deadhead13 wrote: »
    Locked up for what exactly? The past was no golden age of mental health care.

    its better than now where they dont lock you up untill you litterally kill someone , thier are familys all over the country ( frontline guys family im sure aswell ) who are suffering terribly because it is impossible to touch those who are not the full schilling unless they are themselves willing to admit themselves to mental hospitals , how would you feel if that was your brother who made a show of himself on national tv last night , you and your family would be disgraced

    i have a relative who is not the full schilling and his familys life has been a complete hell this past 15 years , he too is a religous fanatic , liberals own leglislation when it comes to mental health in this country , the rights of the person who is not right over ride ever other consideration ,many people have died because of theese liberal laws and while thier was time people were put in the big house for merley being an embarrassment to their family , the pendelum has now completley swung the other way


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    Rantan
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    irish_bob wrote: »
    ....which said more about our liberal laws regarding the crazy than it did about pat kenny or anything else for that matter


    "Our liberal laws regarding the crazy" ???
    I hope I am misinterpreting you but thats a pretty scary attitude you have. The guy is a bit unhinged and in my opinion probably needs bit of help. What exactly is too liberal about our "liberal laws regarding the crazy" most of which date back to Victorian times??


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    me_right_one
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    Rantan wrote: »
    I can imagine it now, Pearse, just before he died "right I'm off to sue some old woman with a field for a million quid..."


    You're missing the point. I'm simply saying that just because he was undignified, doesnt mean he was wrong. In fact, he was dead right.


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    deadhead13
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    irish_bob wrote: »
    its better than now where they dont lock you up untill you litterally kill someone , thier are familys all over the country ( frontline guys family im sure aswell ) who are suffering terribly because it is impossible to touch those who are not the full schilling unless they are themselves willing to admit themselves to mental hospitals , how would you feel if that was your brother who made a show of himself on national tv last night , you and your family would be disgraced

    i have a relative who is not the full schilling and his familys life has been a complete hell this past 15 years , he too is a religous fanatic , liberals own leglislation when it comes to mental health in this country , the rights of the person who is not right over ride ever other consideration ,many people have died because of theese liberal laws and while thier was time people were put in the big house for merley being an embarrassment to their family , the pendelum has now completley swung the other way

    Again, I ask the question - on what grounds should Alan O'Brien be locked up? I don't think your diagnosis of him being an "unhinged psycho" really counts.


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    irish_bob
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    Rantan wrote: »
    "Our liberal laws regarding the crazy" ???
    I hope I am misinterpreting you but thats a pretty scary attitude you have. The guy is a bit unhinged and in my opinion probably needs bit of help. What exactly is too liberal about our "liberal laws regarding the crazy" most of which date back to Victorian times??

    no one in ireland can be detained in a mental institution against thier will indefinatley unless they cause grevious bodily harm to someone or fatally wound someone , you can run up and down your local town screaming at the top of your voice that the world is about to end and that the devil is driving the numbe ten bus and while the guards may bring you into the station or bring you home , that will be the end of it , thier was a guy from the midlands who was up in dublin for the weekend a few years ago , attending his cousins stag party , on his way back to his cousins appartment later that night , he was attacked in the corridor by a guy wielding a garden rake and stabbed 72 times to death , when arrested , the fruitcake who murdered the young mindland man claimed he had killed the devil , i for one believe this guy was a ticking timebomb and thier should have been pre-emptive action taken before this tragedy occurred

    thier was a man called brendan o donnell who murdered a young mother , her young child and the local parish priest in a small village in county clare back in 1994 , the same psycho when in court claimed the devil told him to commit theese appalling crimes , my mum is from that part of the country and o,donnell was notorious in the area from he was very young yet he could not be touched , as i said earlier , i have a cousin who is a religous fanatic and a headcase , he goes around his family home shouting about how jesus is coming as soon as the lisbon treaty is passed and about how he wants to bury an axe in most of his neighbours heads , his sisters have all been physically assaulted and have not been home in years for fear of being killed , the guards and doctors have been at the house several times but have told his family nothing can be done unless someone brings charges against him or untill he commits actual violence , it will then enter the realm of criminality but that a mere assault charge would just result in a psychatric report and a possible short term jail sentence , nothing final

    i myself sometimes attend my cousins GP surgery , i was recently in the docs surgery for a chest infection , he asked me how things were with my cousin, i said they were the same , he told me the liberals own legislation when it comes to the mentally ill in this country and that this was not likely to happen soon

    as i said earlier , the rights of those who are not right over ride the rights of the rest of society and while society can laugh off theese people as being eccentric , the familys of theese people suffer greatly in silence


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    #91
    Rantan
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    me_right_one wrote: »
    You're missing the point. I'm simply saying that just because he was undignified, doesnt mean he was wrong. In fact, he was dead right.

    No, I think I understand you, I just dont agree. What if RTE decided to change the format of live debates like this as a result of this? That would be counterproductive for future debate.
    I think there is a responsibility on anyone who takes air time to view an opinion(which he is entitiled to) to do so in a dignified manner and not to just go nuts coz he's angry. If every angry nut(myself included) was entitiled to that, consider the mayhem on a Monday night?? A studio full of goons ranting and raving live on TV to P K, surreal...


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