GAME OF THRONES [Book and TV Discussion (US Pace)]

Dan_Solo · 14-02-2013 4:37pm

sin0city wrote: »

Of course it wouldn't be as good if someone else finished it. Sorry, but it's just twaddle to suggest otherwise. It is his series from his imagination.

As to whether it's generic or not, it's only generic in so much as all high fantasy is generic. That's like saying a crime writer is writing generic novels. In any event, without having read the books your opinion on the series is half baked. It's like judging Tolkien's work on the movies alone.

Which is why I, like duh, made no evaluation of the books at all and quite directly specified I was commenting on the TV series.
I'd hate to base my opinion of GRRM's books based on the reading skills of his fans.:rolleyes:

stampydmonkey · 17-03-2013 1:07am

damn you GRRM..would you ever just finish the bloody books..massive void I need to fill.

bar lord of the rings I haven't read many books like these. anyone recommend a similar series of books that are complete that'll tie me over for a while?

Zapp Brannigan · 17-03-2013 1:55am

stampydmonkey wrote: »

damn you GRRM..would you ever just finish the bloody books..massive void I need to fill.

bar lord of the rings I haven't read many books like these. anyone recommend a similar series of books that are complete that'll tie me over for a while?

Malazan: Books of the Fallen.

fitz · 19-03-2013 9:58am

stampydmonkey wrote: »

damn you GRRM..would you ever just finish the bloody books..massive void I need to fill.

bar lord of the rings I haven't read many books like these. anyone recommend a similar series of books that are complete that'll tie me over for a while?

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Malazan: Books of the Fallen.

This.
Be warned though....Erikson may ruin other writers for you.
I had serious difficulty reading other stuff after him.
It all seemed so rudimentary.

Nody · 19-03-2013 10:20am

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Malazan: Books of the Fallen.

Can someone clarify the order here please; looking at what's published listed here in what order should the novels be interjected between the books?

Zapp Brannigan · 19-03-2013 5:04pm

Nody wrote: »

Can someone clarify the order here please; looking at what's published listed here in what order should the novels be interjected between the books?

This one listed to the right seems okay.

SuperInfinity · 19-03-2013 10:02pm

fitz wrote: »

This.
Be warned though....Erikson may ruin other writers for you.
I had serious difficulty reading other stuff after him.
It all seemed so rudimentary.

lol.

fitz · 20-03-2013 8:52am

SuperInfinity wrote: »

lol.

Seriously.
And I'm not just talking about plot or character development.
Authors that I previously devoured, I couldn't read anymore. I started to notice weaknesses in the writing styles, how they'd pace things, language use....
It felt like I was reading bad young-adult books.

As to the order, read them in the order published, as per recommendations from Erikson and Esselmont.

NothingMan · 20-03-2013 4:09pm

I found the first Malazan book on my mams bookshelf after failing to find it in shops. Don't know where she got it but can't wait to start it.

mcgovern · 20-03-2013 5:44pm

Quick one, I finished Midnight Tides, should I read Night of Knives, or Bonehunters next? I'm seeing conflicting opinions online.

Zapp Brannigan · 20-03-2013 5:48pm

mcgovern wrote: »

Quick one, I finished Midnight Tides, should I read Night of Knives, or Bonehunters next? I'm seeing conflicting opinions online.

Bonehunters will continue the story. NoK will give you a better sense of the history of the world. I'd read NoK.

Paddy Samurai · 04-04-2013 4:20pm

It's Official.

On Tuesday, two days after the show’s third-season premiere, HBO officially renewed GAME OF THRONES for a fourth season. Giving the green light to air another 10 episodes in 2014. http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/HBO-Renews-GAME-OF-THRONES-for-Fourth-Season-20130402

Nody · 04-04-2013 4:37pm

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

It's Official.

Seeing how on a certain site with a pirate ship the show had about 4x as many seeders/leechers as the second TV show in popularity I'm not surprised.

Dades · 04-04-2013 4:51pm

It is actually the most pirated show of all time.

Nody · 04-04-2013 9:38pm

Dades wrote: »

It is actually the most pirated show of all time.

I know Season 2 hit that; was not aware that Season 3 had managed to beat the record or not

tricky D · 24-04-2013 6:19pm

My impatience has gotten the better of me. I simply can't wait X years for the whole story via the telly. Chapter 1, Book 1, is now done. 10 pages down, 4661 pages to go (Appendices excluded).

5starpool · 24-04-2013 8:35pm

tricky D wrote: »

My impatience has gotten the better of me. I simply can't wait X years for the whole story via the telly. Chapter 1, Book 1, is now done. 10 pages down, 4661 pages to go (Appendices excluded).

You'll just have to wait nearly as many years for the full story via the books as well. 6 years wait for the latest book to be published.

Tom.D.BJJ · 02-05-2013 10:19am

5starpool wrote: »

You'll just have to wait nearly as many years for the full story via the books as well. 6 years wait for the latest book to be published.

How many years for the next book? GRRM seems to have released several spoiler chapters already. Is three years viable ie 2014?

5starpool · 02-05-2013 1:09pm

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

How many years for the next book? GRRM seems to have released several spoiler chapters already. Is three years viable ie 2014?

No idea, but I know that AFFC was a couple of years longer than he planned, and said that was because he was splitting stuff between that and ADWD as he couldn't fit allin that he had planned, and that ADWD would be out not much longer than a year after AFFC, and look how that turned out! He had updates every few months for a while on his (not a) blog page saying that it should be too long, before he eventually stopped doing that and said it would be ready when it was ready, and all told it was 6 years. If he can release in 2014 and then 2017 that will be a reasonable schedule I guess comparing to recent books, and would mean the books finish before the show, which is as it should be, especially given the somewhat differing content (although the main points are the same mostly).

Dades · 03-06-2013 10:06pm

Just watched the Red Wedding episode!

Brought back a few happy memories (of being shocked to bejesus) from the books.

nesf · 03-06-2013 10:35pm

Dades wrote: »

Just watched the Red Wedding episode!

Brought back a few happy memories (of being shocked to bejesus) from the books.

I've been waiting for the reactions on Twitter since they announced the TV series.

nesf · 04-06-2013 12:25am

Ep.9 Spoiler: https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh

Genius.

giftgrub · 04-06-2013 8:30am

Ive read the books and saw the Red Wedding coming but still....

JESUS.

Thought they might have kept it til the end of the season...

From the internets

delboyfagan · 04-06-2013 9:03am

I am following tv series and not book -so apologies to all the purists out there.

Without giving anything away re actual events - tell me the starks do eventually get their revenge?

Nody · 04-06-2013 9:55am

delboyfagan wrote: »

I am following tv series and not book -so apologies to all the purists out there.

Without giving anything away re actual events - tell me the starks do eventually get their revenge?

I've dropped you a PM with a answer to avoid spoiling anything for people on the thread; I'm up to date on the books so if you got more questions feel free to ask them there as well

Dades · 04-06-2013 5:31pm

delboyfagan wrote: »

I am following tv series and not book -so apologies to all the purists out there.

Without giving anything away re actual events - tell me the starks do eventually get their revenge?

There's two more books yet to be written so what "eventually" happens is anyone's guess.

Dan_Solo · 04-06-2013 11:12pm

I'm not sure what the "shock" was (and no, I haven't read the books). If you weren't reaching for king what's his face's throat as soon as they closed the hall doors then you're really are a, well, Stark aren't you.

Dades · 05-06-2013 11:33am

So at what point did you see the slaughter of Robb, his pregnant wife, his mother and half his army coming?

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2013 1:54pm

Dades wrote: »

So at what point did you see the slaughter of Robb, his pregnant wife, his mother and half his army coming?

That was half his army in one castle hall? No wonder he needed reinforcements... Did all those northern houses just evaporate when their king was killed?
As soon as Mr Lannister was off his beer I knew there was something up. When they cleared half of the room to make some space for slaughtering it was past obvious.
Besides, weren't we all told when Ned died to expect anyone and everyone to buy the farm whenever?

stampydmonkey · 05-06-2013 11:07pm

Damn those pesky Lanisters!

5starpool · 06-06-2013 12:47am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That was half his army in one castle hall? No wonder he needed reinforcements... Did all those northern houses just evaporate when their king was killed?
As soon as Mr Lannister was off his beer I knew there was something up. When they cleared half of the room to make some space for slaughtering it was past obvious.
Besides, weren't we all told when Ned died to expect anyone and everyone to buy the farm whenever?

You might as well stop watching then with that attitude. It's all going to be a yawn to you.

ixoy · 06-06-2013 9:09am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That was half his army in one castle hall? No wonder he needed reinforcements...

In the books the hall was a lot bigger and filled with a lot of his army. That's where we're coming from.

Did all those northern houses just evaporate when their king was killed?

Eh no. Robb was the unifying figure to tie them all together. It's not exactly like they were friends. That's been common throughout history. No figurehead or leader any more and alliances can fall apart.

As soon as Mr Lannister was off his beer I knew there was something up.

Mr Lannister? You mean Bolton? He's always been a control freak - that was hardly a sign. The chain mail was but not the drinking.

Besides, weren't we all told when Ned died to expect anyone and everyone to buy the farm whenever?

So every time the enemy in a show / book / film threatens the hero you firmly believe they'll always follow through?

Trojan · 06-06-2013 10:30am

ixoy wrote: »

In the books the hall was a lot bigger and filled with a lot of his army. That's where we're coming from.

At $6M odd per episode, I must admit some disappointment in the filming of the Red Wedding. They could (A) have done some more to emphasise the scale of what happened, particularly with the soldiers in the tents outside. A bit of CGI and a lot of extras, and pull some of the budget from other episodes. And (B), did we really need the Daenerys scenes? That's another 3-6 minutes they could have used for the incidents.

I was really looking forward to this one and I still think they did a good job, just that it could have been better.

I think it must have been one of the biggest secrets that one group of people (ASOIAF readers) has kept from another (the TV viewers). Reminds me of Santa

Dades · 06-06-2013 11:11am

Trojan wrote: »

At $6M odd per episode, I must admit some disappointment in the filming of the Red Wedding. They could (A) have done some more to emphasise the scale of what happened, particularly with the soldiers in the tents outside.

Agreed. Dan Solo (above) wasn't even aware of the slaughter of the troops that went on outside the walls. (Though there is a chance this will be shown/alluded to next week).

There's a good analysis on Westeros.org suggesting how they got the menacing tone all wrong.

Another thing, they kinda used the Red Wedding as a distraction to skimp on Danaerys taking Yunkai. That unfolds more like a play, where you just see the action being talked about.

nesf · 06-06-2013 12:58pm

Dades wrote: »

Agreed. Dan Solo (above) wasn't even aware of the slaughter of the troops that went on outside the walls. (Though there is a chance this will be shown/alluded to next week).

There's a good analysis on Westeros.org suggesting how they got the menacing tone all wrong.

Another thing, they kinda used the Red Wedding as a distraction to skimp on Danaerys taking Yunkai. That unfolds more like a play, where you just see the action being talked about.

It's the eternal problem of transforming fantasy fiction to TV or even film. It costs absurd amounts of money to do it properly (LOTR only got the funding it needed because, as parodied elsewhere, it's the hallowed nerd bible). A TV series was never going to command a large enough budget to do justice to the grander scenes in GoT. I don't mind, I didn't expect them to be able to do it.

Tar.Aldarion · 06-06-2013 1:11pm

at 6 million per episode you can throw together a bigger experience but not done in an expensive way, the soldiers in the tents are a good example. However I cant really say as I've only seen season one. Stargate cost 1-2 million per episode, this is 6 :eek:

Dan_Solo · 06-06-2013 1:27pm

Dades wrote: »

Agreed. Dan Solo (above) wasn't even aware of the slaughter of the troops that went on outside the walls. (Though there is a chance this will be shown/alluded to next week).

Was well aware of the 4 guys standing at a cart in the castle courtyard who got killed.
Must have been Robb's reserve legion.
You also say I have failed to notice something which you then say wasn't even in the episode as it might be in next week's? Great logic that...

giftgrub · 06-06-2013 2:04pm

George RR on Conan the other night

Conan: You sick bastard....

Dades · 06-06-2013 2:54pm

Dades wrote: »

Trojan wrote: »

They could (A) have done some more to emphasise the scale of what happened, particularly with the soldiers in the tents outside.

Agreed. Dan Solo (above) wasn't even aware of the slaughter of the troops that went on outside the walls.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You also say I have failed to notice something which you then say wasn't even in the episode as it might be in next week's? Great logic that...

That's a rather no-so-subtle change of my phrasing. Did you do it for dramatic reasons or did you miss the point?

I used you as a example of how the show failed to convey what was in the books... i.e. that outside the walls the partying Northmen army was decimated by Frey soldiers.

GerB40 · 06-06-2013 8:37pm

Dades wrote: »

That's a rather no-so-subtle change of my phrasing. Did you do it for dramatic reasons or did you miss the point?

I used you as a example of how the show failed to convey what was in the books... i.e. that outside the walls the partying Northmen army was decimated by Frey soldiers.

Watch the beginning of next weeks preview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ4paRnLmWI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The slaughter ain't over yet..

Dan_Solo · 06-06-2013 10:17pm

Dades wrote: »

That's a rather no-so-subtle change of my phrasing. Did you do it for dramatic reasons or did you miss the point?

I used you as a example of how the show failed to convey what was in the books... i.e. that outside the walls the partying Northmen army was decimated by Frey soldiers.

Oh, I get you now. I'm not aware of the "fact" of what's in the book as I can only know what's depicted on screen.
I still don't buy it mind you. Thousands of soldiers at a big wedding party and nobody notices that not a single person on the bride's side is on the batter... stupid Northmen!

Trojan · 07-06-2013 10:05am

I hope to $DEITY that there's a massive scene of the guys outside the castle, because in the book that was really well described. And I think they could easily afford to drop a big chunk of the budget on the Red Wedding scenes - it's that important in the scheme of things.

Dan_Solo · 07-06-2013 12:10pm

Trojan wrote: »

I hope to $DEITY that there's a massive scene of the guys outside the castle, because in the book that was really well described. And I think they could easily afford to drop a big chunk of the budget on the Red Wedding scenes - it's that important in the scheme of things.

That's the biggest let down of the series for me, as I've no beef with whether it's much like the books or not. Every battle seems to be off camera. Spartacus had fairly believable battle scenes on what I'd imagine were similar or lower budgets.

GalwayGuy2 · 16-10-2013 9:15pm

Funny game of thrones vid

GerB40 · 16-10-2013 11:59pm

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Funny game of thrones vid

I was never a fan of these lip synching videos but this is beyond class..

5starpool · 21-10-2013 11:08am

I just watched that on my phone at work and had to try really had to stop myself laughing loudly. Very funny.

bangbangbyron · 11-04-2014 1:24pm

GOT fans behold! The 100 greatest quotes...so far... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAEKigVmxBQ

Morag · 19-04-2014 8:49pm

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2014/04/19/george-rr-martin-to-appear-at-shamrokon-in-august/

Trojan · 22-04-2014 5:39pm

GRRM has addressed a scene in last night's episode that is causing a bit of consternation, particularly amongst ASOIAF readers. I'll need to spoiler the whole thing, don't read until you've seen Season 4 Ep 3 or have read well past the King's Landing wedding scene.

Fan to GRRM:

Could you tell us what you think about the altar sex scene between Jaime and Cersei in last night episode, please ?
Many readers (and viewers) don't understand what happened and why they changed this sex scene into... a rape scene. Does they consult you before doing it ?

GRRM:

Re: Jaime's changes in Breaker of Chains
This is off topic here. This is the section for comments about Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the Cocteau's author program.

Since a lot of people have been emailing me about this, however, I will reply... but please, take any further discussion of the show to one of the myriad on-line forums devoted to that. I do not want long detailed dissections and debates about the TV series here on my blog.

As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression -- but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

Now, if you please, I'd appreciate it if we could get back to Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the subjects of the original post.

Sleepy · 25-04-2014 12:49pm

That scene was so badly directed even the Rape Crisis Centre are sticking their oar in now. :rolleyes:

This is a series that involves babies being butchered, young boys being castrated "root and stem", torture, gang rape, child brides and some of the most creatively brutal deaths you can imagine

Viserys crowning being a definite contender for my personal "least favourite way to die"

.

I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather be pressured into having sex somewhere inappropriate by someone I love than any of the above so those getting offended will have to forgive me for thinking them morons to be upset about this scene.

GAME OF THRONES [Book and TV Discussion (US Pace)]

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