Officially Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe in 2009

El Weirdo

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

You also have to ask, how the bleedin' hell the drugs get into the country in the first place?

Ireland must be the easiest country to smuggle drugs into.

How are they doing it? ....back to the incompetency of our Garda.

Is it not the job of Customs to stop drugs from being smuggled into the country?

My name is URL

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

You also have to ask, how the bleedin' hell the drugs get into the country in the first place?

Ireland must be the easiest country to smuggle drugs into.

How are they doing it? ....back to the incompetency of our Garda.

It's not really that hard to get drugs into Ireland, we have a fairly limited Naval Service, if it wasn't for other country's intelligence and monitoring they wouldn't find almost as much as they do

Look at that haul of coke a few years ago, I doubt that's an isolated occurrence tbh, few are caught though

Little Acorn

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

Some or most of the business those gangs are providing is cocaine, it's supply and demand for these leeches...

But 19 dead bodies is 19 dead bodies...

Maybe if some of our "normal folk" would stop feckin' buying and sniffing cocaine in clubs and bars which is rampant in the city these days...and oh so trendy....these DISGUSTING SCUMBAGS won't have a market for profit!

I agree with this. I have friends who take drugs sometimes,but only as a "social" thing. It doesn't usually bother me at all,but when they start acting angry and disgusted that heroin is now on the rise in the area,it really pisses me off as I feel that they are the ones who supplied the dealers with their money, on what they class as "only harmless" drugs.
I tell them so,but nobody likes hearing it and convince themselves that the existence of these gangs and society's drug crime and addiction problems have nothing to do with them.

Although if what I'm led to believe is true,we may all be in some small part responsible for funding criminals because of piracy.
I have watched some films online,but they are usually uploaded by what I assume are just regular individuals posting things on the internet and not making any profit on. Not sure about the big sites like surf etc?

I don't buy counterfit dvds,alcohol,or cigs mainly cos
they are **** quality and the drink could make me go blind in one eye or die!:)

InKonspikuou2

wudangclan wrote: »

per head of population

That still ain't right. DC has almost half the population of Dublin but yet almost 5 times our murder rate.

Corkfeen

So we get the top 2 then. Dublin and Limerick, ruling europes gun crime.:D

Bandit12

Ah sure we'll be fine

Dudess

Shocking stuff - but at least it's not America.

4zn76tysfajdxp

star.chaser wrote: »

what a clown. apparently, Dublin also has the highest number of dikkheads per capita

Banned.

AARRRGH

genericguy wrote: »

criminals shooting other criminals, long may it last, and i wish them all the best in improving their accuracy.

You took the words out of my mouth.

As long as it's scum killing scum, I hope our gun crime grows exponentially.

wylo

Corkfeen wrote: »

So we get the top 2 then. Dublin and Limerick, ruling europes gun crime.:D

hoy, leave Limerick us heads out of it! We did nothing this time.:p

oppenheimer1

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

Jasus, what is bleedin' happening to this feckin' country?!

Sad times for Ireland indeed.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe -- as of 2009.

The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.

So far this year, 19 gun murders, all of which were gang related, have occurred in Ireland’s capital city, which has a population of 1.2 million.


The study, published by Ireland’s Sunday Tribune, reveals that the murder rate is ridiculously high compared to rates in Britain. In Glasgow, Scotland, population 2.3 million, there have been zero gun killings in 2009. Meanwhile, just one murder has occurred in Edinburgh, where one million people reside.
Shockingly, Dublin has almost twice the amount of gun murders as London, even though the English capital’s population is almost six times higher at 7.7 million. 11 people have been shot dead in London so far this year.
The Sunday Tribune points out that Britain has more effectively tackled gun and gang issues, with police groups launching a Tackling Gangs Action Program.
A spokeswoman told the paper: “It has been a huge success. Essentially, it has targeted gang-related firearm offenses. Here at Merseyside police, we've had a separate initiative targeting guns and gangs since 2005. We've seen a 37 percent decrease in gun crime since.”
Other European cities do not have nearly the amount of gun murders as Dublin has. In Amsterdam, where there are serious gang problems, there have been nine fatal shootings among its similar sized population of 1.3 million.
In Zurich, Switzerland there have been five murders within its population of the same number. Dublin’s gun murder rate is 100 percent higher than Zurich’s.
Gardai (Irish police) told the Tribune they are surprised at these figures, but say they expect the gang murder rate to drop now that new legislation allows suspected gang members to be arrested and tried before Ireland’s Special Criminal Court.
Fine Gael and the Labor Party spokespeople say the figures are “frightening,” and shows that Irish authorities are not dealing effectively with organized crime in the capital.
"The number of gun murders this year in Dublin is frightening,” said Fine Gael justice spokesperson Charlie Flanagan. “There is no sign that the authorities are getting to grips with Dublin's criminal underworld.”


The Labor party's justice spokesperson Pat Rabbitte told the Tribune: "Dublin used not to be out of kilter in terms of gun murder rates compared to other European cities. The gangland feuding and the lucrative drugs business has led to this situation.
“These criminals are ruthless; they would shoot one of their rivals or a member of their own gang at the drop of a hat if they crossed them. Human life counts for nothing with these guys.
“It's an extremely difficult and demanding job for An Garda Síochána and they need to be properly equipped with resources to deal with these gang members."

Well it wasn't a mathematician who wrote that article anyway, for Zurich 100% more murders would have meant there were 10 gun related killings in Dublin.

Articles with stupid mistakes I tend not to believe.

Palmerstown_guy

They can keep killing each other, but even more lethal scumbags will fill their places ....joe public needs to stop feeding them money for starters, directly or indirectly.

I think this should be a wake up call for Ireland.

wylo

At the end of the day, its just a statistic that has no bearing on a citys personality or crime rate.
All it takes is 3 or 4 gangs to be at war over drugs to completely influence the gun murder rate of the whole city. Its a load of bull.
Show me the table for European crime rate and we'll judge it properly.

kumate_champ07

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

You also have to ask, how the bleedin' hell the drugs get into the country in the first place?

Ireland must be the easiest country to smuggle drugs into.

How are they doing it? ....back to the incompetency of our Garda.

west coast of Ireland, plenty of places to bring a boat in without being noticed, u can anchor off coast with lights off and use a small dingy/rowboat to bring it in.

AlmightyCushion

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

That still ain't right. DC has almost half the population of Dublin but yet almost 5 times our murder rate.

Dublin citys population is about half a million. Washington DC is about 600,000 so if your figures for gun murders for washington are correct then they are miles off saying we are close to washington. Where did you get the 91 figure from?

El Weirdo

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

west coast of Ireland, plenty of places to bring a boat in without being noticed, u can anchor off coast with lights off and use a small dingy/rowboat to bring it in.

Shhhhhhh!

john-joe

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Don't know if the info above is accurate, but if it is Ireland needs to get it's act together, we ain't got **** on columbia.......

wudangclan

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Dublin citys population is about half a million. Washington DC is about 600,000 so if your figures for gun murders for washington are correct then they are miles off saying we are close to washington. Where did you get the 91 figure from?

Dublin has 1.2 million and the Washington Metropolitan Area has 5.3 million.
works out at 1.58 and 1.71 shootings/100,000 respectively.

Palmerstown_guy

I don't see this as a competition with other countries - but for our own city, we HAVE a problem with drug murders and gangland violence as indicated by 19 murders. Let's get real about this, they don't publish this for fun.

At the end of the day, it's a huge problem for Dublin and Ireland in general for such a small island but agree every city has drug related problems and high murder rates but I didn't expect ours to be the highest in Europe.

It's good to debate it ....and not just brush it off.

AlmightyCushion

john-joe wrote: »

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Don't know if the info above is accurate, but if it is Ireland needs to get it's act together, we ain't got **** on columbia.......

Complete ****ing joke. We're miles behind the average and beaten by most countries. Clearly it's us folk outside of dublon not pulling our weight. I'm gonna go kill a load of people tomorrow and help bring up the average a bit.

rizzee

Im'a bust a cap in yo' ass bitch

JerryHandbag

rarnes1 wrote: »

Limerick??

No, if you read it again it does actually say DUBLIN :rolleyes:

john-joe

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Complete ****ing joke. We're miles behind the average and beaten by most countries. Clearly it's us folk outside of dublon not pulling our weight. I'm gonna go kill a load of people tomorrow and help bring up the average a bit.

we can start here 2mrw....



and yeah those grannies are getting it too....

InKonspikuou2

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Dublin citys population is about half a million. Washington DC is about 600,000 so if your figures for gun murders for washington are correct then they are miles off saying we are close to washington. Where did you get the 91 figure from?

I don't know why i typed DC has less than half our population. I was thinking they had 100,000-200,000 more than Dublin.

Anyways it's mentioned here

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/nov/08/worse-than-washington-how-gun-killings-put-dublin-/

Although they say the city's 6 million population. I assume they mean 600,000. 91 would be right around this time of year since it's been over 150 murders a year for the past 10 years.

tommy249

rarnes1 wrote: »

Limerick??

As a Limerick person, thsis is what pi**es me off so much. So much crap is written and printed about Limerick cause its such an easy target and then people actually think that its a war zone when its nothing of the sorts. The TV3 documentary a couple of week ago about crime in Limerick kept showing a group of kids jumping up and down on burned out cars and let on that it was in Limerick. They forgot to tell people the pictures were actually from Dublin.
Fact, there has been ONE murder in Limerick in 2009. As far as I know, that puts Limerick at the bottom of the table.

AlmightyCushion

wudangclan wrote: »

Dublin has 1.2 million and the Washington Metropolitan Area has 5.3 million.
works out at 1.58 and 1.71 shootings/100,000 respectively.

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

john-joe

wudangclan

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

it's a shitload of murders whatever way you look at it.

Liam Byrne

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

I don't see this as a competition with other countries - but for our own city, we HAVE a problem with drug murders and gangland violence as indicated by 19 murders. Let's get real about this, they don't publish this for fun.

At the end of the day, it's a huge problem for Dublin and Ireland in general for such a small island but agree every city has drug related problems and high murder rates but I didn't expect ours to be the highest in Europe.

It's good to debate it ....and not just brush it off.

Fair point; interesting that it's a problem for "Ireland in general" NOW, when not so long ago the same ranking table was an excuse for ridiculously exaggerated headlines, unfunny jokes, ridicule and insults.

I wonder what's changed ? ....... Oh, yeah......

Liam Byrne

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

Last time I saw objective analysis like that it was written by.......oh yeah, ME!

All the Dubs ignored it then, though, so I doubt any of them will accept it now....