Officially Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe in 2009

rizzee

Im'a bust a cap in yo' ass bitch

JerryHandbag

rarnes1 wrote: »

Limerick??

No, if you read it again it does actually say DUBLIN :rolleyes:

john-joe

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Complete ****ing joke. We're miles behind the average and beaten by most countries. Clearly it's us folk outside of dublon not pulling our weight. I'm gonna go kill a load of people tomorrow and help bring up the average a bit.

we can start here 2mrw....



and yeah those grannies are getting it too....

InKonspikuou2

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Dublin citys population is about half a million. Washington DC is about 600,000 so if your figures for gun murders for washington are correct then they are miles off saying we are close to washington. Where did you get the 91 figure from?

I don't know why i typed DC has less than half our population. I was thinking they had 100,000-200,000 more than Dublin.

Anyways it's mentioned here

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/nov/08/worse-than-washington-how-gun-killings-put-dublin-/

Although they say the city's 6 million population. I assume they mean 600,000. 91 would be right around this time of year since it's been over 150 murders a year for the past 10 years.

tommy249

rarnes1 wrote: »

Limerick??

As a Limerick person, thsis is what pi**es me off so much. So much crap is written and printed about Limerick cause its such an easy target and then people actually think that its a war zone when its nothing of the sorts. The TV3 documentary a couple of week ago about crime in Limerick kept showing a group of kids jumping up and down on burned out cars and let on that it was in Limerick. They forgot to tell people the pictures were actually from Dublin.
Fact, there has been ONE murder in Limerick in 2009. As far as I know, that puts Limerick at the bottom of the table.

AlmightyCushion

wudangclan wrote: »

Dublin has 1.2 million and the Washington Metropolitan Area has 5.3 million.
works out at 1.58 and 1.71 shootings/100,000 respectively.

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

john-joe

wudangclan

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

it's a shitload of murders whatever way you look at it.

Liam Byrne

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

I don't see this as a competition with other countries - but for our own city, we HAVE a problem with drug murders and gangland violence as indicated by 19 murders. Let's get real about this, they don't publish this for fun.

At the end of the day, it's a huge problem for Dublin and Ireland in general for such a small island but agree every city has drug related problems and high murder rates but I didn't expect ours to be the highest in Europe.

It's good to debate it ....and not just brush it off.

Fair point; interesting that it's a problem for "Ireland in general" NOW, when not so long ago the same ranking table was an excuse for ridiculously exaggerated headlines, unfunny jokes, ridicule and insults.

I wonder what's changed ? ....... Oh, yeah......

Liam Byrne

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's Dublin counties population not the city. The greater dublin area's population is well over 1.5m I believe. The city itself only has a population of 500,000 though. Which figure are they using?

This is the problem with these reports. They can mess around with the figures to skew the results as much as they like. If you compare based on cities population Dublin will fare much better. 500k pop with 19 gun murders, 600k pop with 91 gun murders in washington dc.

Comparing the greater dublin area with washington metro area is a different kettle of fish though. The greater dublin are has a population 2-3 times that of the city whereas the washington metropolitan area is over 10 times the population of washington DC.

Last time I saw objective analysis like that it was written by.......oh yeah, ME!

All the Dubs ignored it then, though, so I doubt any of them will accept it now....

Palmerstown_guy

This is what pisses ME off. Why does it have to be a competion showing numbers? Nobody wins or learns anything from this.

When was the last time there was 19 murders in ANY city/town/village in Ireland in the last 50 years?

Bottom line, something needs to be done in IRELAND in our NATION ...NOW...about the drugs and scumbags who sell them!!!

SV

Overheal wrote: »

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Oh: So Bookmarked.

Do you know how pathetic that most of what you say comes across as?
Hey, you should bump some of your threads with a link to that article.

Liam Byrne

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

This is what pisses ME off. Why does it have to be a competion showing numbers? Nobody wins or learns anything from this.

When was the last time there was 19 murders in ANY city/town/village in Ireland in the last 50 years?

Bottom line, something needs to be done in IRELAND in our NATION ...NOW...about the drugs and scumbags who sell them!!!

I agree 100%; although if truth be told it needed to be done 10 or 15 years ago, when a single murder in Ireland was so rare that it had people talking about it for months.

Still, given the pathetic and ridiculous abuse we've had to put up with for so long, you've got to give some leeway on the fact that the "Wild West" has moved Eastwards.

john-joe

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

This is what pisses ME off. Why does it have to be a competion showing numbers? Nobody wins or learns anything from this.

When was the last time there was 19 murders in ANY city/town/village in Ireland in the last 50 years?

Bottom line, something needs to be done in IRELAND in our NATION ...NOW...about the drugs and scumbags who sell them!!!

With all due respect OP, did you really believe that you were going to get serious replies to your topic here on AH?

It would probably be best to move it to dublin city the thread or the likes..

JJ

Palmerstown_guy

Thanks Liam, and yes sorry for those lame lazy so called journalists and other folk who seem to glee and ridicule others towns and cities in Ireland. That says more about them and their lowness than anything else.

But please don't paint us all up here with the same brush...

Rented Mule

WooHoo !!!

We're #1 !!

This is better than winning the Eurovision ......and much cheaper too.

Liam Byrne

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

Thanks Liam, and yes sorry for those lame lazy so called journalists and other folk who seem to glee and ridicule others towns and cities in Ireland. That says more about them and their lowness than anything else.

No apology necessary, because it wasn't you.

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

But please don't paint us all up here with the same brush...

Don't worry, it's only juvenile idiots and tabloid-writers that do stuff like that........like I said, I won't sink to their level.

I am curious whether the Sindo will cover it with the same venom, bull**** and exaggeration as they did back in 2006 when Limerick stood at #2. I can't find the offending article, but here's the breakdown detailing their lies, exaggerations, guesswork and crystal-ball bull****.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52407033&postcount=49

And please be clear - I've no interest in labelling or insulting anyone with pathetic generalisations, but I do have to sigh with relief that ye Dubs now might now get some idea of how it feels to be tarred and labelled based on a tiny percentage of scumbags in your midst.

Sofaspud

In Zurich, Switzerland there have been five murders within its population of the same number. Dublin’s gun murder rate is 100 percent higher than Zurich’s.

Apparently whoever wrote the article likes to murder maths.

They seem to be pulling numbers out of their arse.

Palmerstown_guy

No problem. We'll take it on the chin and learn. It might be a wake up call for all of us.

But the big number is "19 murders"...you can't fudge that.

Is there any other year with such a high number of murders in Dublin?

anyone?

Is this the highest number of murders in Dublin say, in the last say 20 years?

InKonspikuou2

Sofaspud wrote: »

Apparently whoever wrote the article likes to murder maths.

They seem to be pulling numbers out of their arse.

Zurich's murders this year weren't with guns.

RandolphEsq

Quite clearly the drug culture must be addressed on a more rigorous and intense level. Regardless of whether you think certain drugs should be legal, stop fcuking buying them whilst they're illegal! Every buyer has blood on his/her hands

Daroxtar

Overheal wrote: »

Well see, when ye spend all your time flogging America for its problems, you grossly overlook your own.

The rate is almost as high as some schools and army bases in the US

Oh: So Bookmarked.

FYP

Borneo Fnctn

There was a time when the gun crime in the republic was negligible compared to north of the border.

segaBOY

tommy249 wrote: »

As a Limerick person, thsis is what pi**es me off so much. So much crap is written and printed about Limerick cause its such an easy target and then people actually think that its a war zone when its nothing of the sorts. The TV3 documentary a couple of week ago about crime in Limerick kept showing a group of kids jumping up and down on burned out cars and let on that it was in Limerick. They forgot to tell people the pictures were actually from Dublin.
Fact, there has been ONE murder in Limerick in 2009. As far as I know, that puts Limerick at the bottom of the table.

QFT, I'm not from Limerick so I'm not biased here. Have lived in Dublin for the last few years, the way some people here go on about the Limerick they may as well be living in a different universe. It's only a handful of families that give it a bad name.

The_B_Man

sure we've still 7 weeks to increase on that number!! :rolleyes:

What we need to do is cut off the supply of up and coming gangsters. The current lot will kill themselves off soon enough, or if not, will still be murdered years after like the penguin and the horse and the mongoose and all them other supervillains. or they could just be caught with a mobile phone in prison and be killed. but either way, its them little txt speakin, tracksuit wearin bollixes that we need to keep an eye on!

Cunny-Funt

Oh the Americans will love this one now they can go off on killing sprees and say "its ok, gun crime exists in other countries, we're not crazy" bam bam bam.

**edit** Omfg + LOL @ thanking the post :eek:

woah thats loving it a little too much.:P


On the plus side, could this mean GTA dublin is on the cards?

hehe still though once again, when people bitch about America they're not giving out about the gang land shootings. So I reckon the Americans should hold off on their champagne until there's a school shooting or some similar rampage by someone who bought an assault rifle in a shop. Cause I know how much you guys look forward to that happening.

john-joe

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Oh the Americans will love this one now they can go off on killing sprees and say "its ok, gun crime exists in other countries, we're not crazy" bam bam bam.

**edit** Omfg + LOL @ thanking the post :eek:

woah thats loving it a little too much.:P


On the plus side, could this mean GTA dublin is on the cards?

hehe still though once again, when people bitch about America they're not giving out about the gang land shootings. So I reckon the Americans should hold off on their champagne until there's a school shooting or some similar rampage by someone who bought an assault rifle in a shop. Cause I know how much you guys look forward to that happening.

:D:D

a-k-47

Thank fk guns are not easily accessible in this country, otherwise it would be alot worse.

koHd

Amazing our police still don't have guns and a stat like this comes out.

john-joe

koHd wrote: »

Amazing our police still don't have guns and a stat like this comes out.

That's because we have Gardai not Police

Overheal

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The gun murder rate is almost as high in one of our cities as it is in some of yours. First off, this doesn't even compare country to country so one country could still be much worse. Secondly pointing and laughing at someone (in this case a country) because they are almost as bad as you at something isn't really the brightest idea now is it.

Im not at all implying your rates are even half of what the US's is, however I am still going to point, and laugh, when my point still holds water; that for too long so many have seemed to forget you have your own domestic violence issues, because youve been so fascinated with the USs own extremely problematic figures. And I applaud any report that Highlights this and brings it to the attention of the Irish people.

Its funny how it took a comparison to the United States though, for most of you to be able to Relate to the source material.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I wish that this were true but there have been countless innocent victims of the criminal culture in Ireland as a whole. We really need to get some help for the guards on the beat. Might be an argument for allowing them to carry some sort of preventative weaponry.

If you arm them with anything they should be trained the Bejeezus out of. Again owing to stupidity I am sure theres more than a few reports (talking tasers) of police brutality in other countries (US, Canada [One resulted in death I think I put the video here last year] etc) more than likely due to the fact that officers were probably handed out these devices without any tangible training on the practice from any technical moral or ethical standpoint: "Here have a Taser use your best judgement with it"

Unfortunately a taser is a potential letal, non-lethal defensive weapon and anyone using one should be extremely well versed in how electricity, Voltage and Amperage affects the body, as well as many many other factors. I seriously doubt half these cops are really at all aware of how much damage they can inflict with one - including potential death. They are dangerously classified as Non Lethal, which only serves ignorance.

Im For the idea. Just dont rush into anything stupid. Whether they should have guns. Well, I dont even wanna go there. Im tired and its mid-week. Top Notch Training methodology should still apply though

john-joe wrote: »

That's because we have Gardai not Police

And you have An Post not a Postal Service whats your point! :pac:

m@cc@

Overheal wrote: »

Well see, when ye spend all your time flogging America for its problems, you grossly overlook your own.

The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.

Oh: So Bookmarked.

That statement means nothing on it own. How high is Washington on the list of US cities? I'm guessing Detroit, Baltimore and Philadelphia would be the top 3.

AlmightyCushion

koHd wrote: »

Amazing our police still don't have guns and a stat like this comes out.

Some of them do, the ones involved in dealing with criminal gangs especially. Why does every member of the gardai need to have a gun?

m@cc@

koHd wrote: »

Amazing our police still don't have guns and a stat like this comes out.

Great suggestion, the one that has served the US so well.

Overheal

m@cc@ wrote: »

That statement means nothing on it own. How high is Washington on the list of US cities? I'm guessing Detroit, Baltimore and Philadelphia would be the top 3.

I would have thought LA. But no according to Wiki circa 07 its Detroit, St. Louis, and Memphis. Thats violent crimes Net. If youre not one for being forcibly raped, avoid Minneapolis.

m@cc@

Overheal wrote: »

If youre not one for being forcibly raped, avoid Minneapolis.

Not forcibly, no.

Overheal

thats what it says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Overheal

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Oh the Americans will love this one now they can go off on killing sprees and say "its ok, gun crime exists in other countries, we're not crazy" bam bam bam.

hehe still though once again, when people bitch about America they're not giving out about the gang land shootings. So I reckon the Americans should hold off on their champagne until there's a school shooting or some similar rampage by someone who bought an assault rifle in a shop. Cause I know how much you guys look forward to that happening.

I hope of course, this was sarcasm, and not the most retarded post I've read in 6 months.

koHd

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Some of them do, the ones involved in dealing with criminal gangs especially. Why does every member of the gardai need to have a gun?

Well what good is an unarmed officer in a situation if a gun is pulled?

I know we have a special unit to deal with gangs and they carry guns. But they're not on the frontline everyday.

Overheal

SV wrote: »

Do you know how pathetic that most of what you say comes across as?
Hey, you should bump some of your threads with a link to that article.

If you have a problem with the content of my posts you are free to dispute them. So far All Ive heard you done in the last few weeks is launch Ad Hominem strikes against me. Not once do you ever manage to discredit what I am saying.

m@cc@

koHd wrote: »

Well what good is an unarmed officer in a situation if a gun is pulled?

I know we have a special unit to deal with gangs and they carry guns. But they're not on the frontline everyday.

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

koHd

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

Well in that case if we disbanded the gardai the gangs would disband?

I know where you're coming from.

But these people will get the best guns they can, regardless of the policing situation.

I've had this discussion with gardai in the past and realistically it's only a mater of a few years before our police are armed.

I know if I was a garda I wouldn't be too confident approaching certain situations at the moment.

A friend of mine worked in a place that was robbed at gun point. the gardai were just around the corner. They found out about it but couldn't do anything about it.

What if something went wrong and the gunman started shooting? The police would have been as much use as a blind eagle.

The_Kew_Tour

Once its a a criminal killing another criminal I dont give a toss its when somebody innocent is killed like the poor guy from Limerick last year or that chap from Dublin Anthony Campbell who was shot in house for being in wrong place at wrong time in December 2006 then thats the people I feel sorry for the fookers who did it deseve to be fed to animals cause thats all those scum are.

Let the criminals kill themselves it spares us having pay taxes for them being in jail. Long may it continue once thats the case.

Overheal

adrian280582 wrote: »

Once its a a criminal killing another criminal I dont give a toss its when somebody innocent is killed like the poor guy from Limerick last year or that chap from Dublin Anthony Campbell who was shot in house for being in wrong place at wrong time in December 2006 then thats the people I feel sorry for the fookers who did it deseve to be fed to animals cause thats all those scum are.

Let the criminals kill themselves it spares us having pay taxes for them being in jail. Long may it continue once thats the case.

Theyre still gangs and they still recruit from youth sources. Each one that dies is going to be replaced by another. Look at LA. Yesterday's troubled teen is Today's scumbag gangster.

The_Kew_Tour

Overheal wrote: »

Theyre still gangs and they still recruit from youth sources. Each one that dies is going to be replaced by another. Look at LA. Yesterday's troubled teen is Today's scumbag gangster.

No I agree to point but that aint much good to innocent victims or there families who have lost loved ones.

These criminals cant just turn round and say ah but sure I had no chance and blame somebdy else if thats case no criminal should be in jail as its somebody elses fault.

They have and they choose that they want to make money the gangster way.

Manic Moran

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

They've already got 9mm and .45s, how much bigger do you need? It's not as if criminals tend to use AK-47s much. Even in the US. They're a little hard to carry around with you without attracting attention.

Given the somewhat preachy OpEd in the Irish Times a day or two ago about America's gun problem, this particular article is being taken with some amusement.

D.C. has always been known as one of the more dangerous cities in the US. The statistic was interesting because it had the strictest gun law in the nation, until last year.

NTM

m@cc@

Manic Moran wrote: »

They've already got 9mm and .45s, how much bigger do you need? It's not as if criminals tend to use AK-47s much. Even in the US. They're a little hard to carry around with you without attracting attention.

Given the somewhat preachy OpEd in the Irish Times a day or two ago about America's gun problem, this particular article is being taken with some amusement.

D.C. has always been known as one of the more dangerous cities in the US. The statistic was interesting because it had the strictest gun law in the nation, until last year.

NTM

I'm just saying it would be better to focus attention on breaking up these gangs rather than trying to go to toe-to-toe with them. If the police were to start carrying weapons, you're just escalating the problem.

ElaElaElano

Overheal wrote: »

I hope of course, this was sarcasm, and not the most retarded post I've read in 6 months.

I doubt it. There's no sarcasm on boards.

rossie1977

this map highlights where the murders in the DC metro have taken place this year http://burgersub.org/murders2k9.htm

Overheal

rossie1977 wrote: »

this map highlights where the murders in the DC metro have taken place this year http://burgersub.org/murders2k9.htm

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