From Pad to Stick

Dreddybajs

Octogates are awful, any pad player that wants to learn stick can do so as well on a square gate as an octogate imo. Once you learn a square gate you'll be hitting the motions in the same way as the octogate restricts you to being able to do, without the difficulties that you state in the post. Plus you won't be completely bollocksed when you go to use someone else's stick (which will almost certainly be a square gate).

Have said all this before though so if people want to use an octogate, fair enough.

Ramza

For face buttons my EX2 has standard six, no extra buttons to get in the way :pac:

This will probably sound weird, but this is just how my hand works on stick

When I rest my hand flat on stick/default position, my index is on lp, my middle and ring are on mp and my baby finger is on hp

I don't use my baby finger/thumb while playing, I just don't. Only first three. I only use thumb/baby finger when doing SGS, that's it.

When I plin the fingers I'll use will depennd on the button I'm plinking ; for hp link I will hit hp and mp with ring on hp and middle on mp, for mp links I will place middle on mp and index on lp

I hit EX really stranegly ; when I am EXing for punch moves, I will use index and middle on lp and mp, however for EX for kicks I will use my index and middle finger on lk and hk

Sisko

Interesting, sounds like your using a better method then me. I don't plink either.

You play some ryu ramza, tell me how you'd enter these B&B combos:

c.lk - c.lp - c.mk -> FB


J.hp/hk - c.mp - c.hp->ex tatsu

cheers.

Ramza

Sisko wrote: »

Interesting, sounds like your using a better method then me. I don't plink either.

You play some ryu ramza, tell me how you'd enter these B&B combos:

c.lk - c.lp - c.mk -> FB


J.hp/hk - c.mp - c.hp->ex tatsu

cheers.

1. c.lk(index), c.lp(middle), c.mk(middle) > FB (depends on strength)

2. J.hp/hk(ring), c.mp(middle), c.hp(ring) > ex tatsu(using hk and lk)(index and ring)

Sisko

I just forgot but I better add to this :

Whats the problem you may ask?

JUMPING AND BLOCKING.

Big ****ing problem. I keep missing those diagonals , constantly neutral jumping when I wanna jump forward. sometimes I don't even jump at all , I just walk forward a little.

Then I'd be trying to crouch and block low, I start walking backwards. Or eating all the low its of a combo.

The next day I put the square gate back in and I had the same issues.

I had tried out putting some tape on the stick like in that vid but only quickly as a test. It didnt seem to do anything but it turned out this was why.

Took the tape off and I'm back on the octo, all good so far cept dashing. I'm now worse at dashing getting trapped in focus attacks a lot more and ****.



@ Ramza


yeah I'm really thinking the way I use my fingers is damaging my ability to be nice and clean with my execution. I'm ****ing sick of fadcing normals which should have led to a sweet combo into ultra :mad::pac:

Find it so hard not to use my thumb though.

animaX

Sisko wrote: »

Find it so hard not to use my thumb though.

Do whatever's comfortable I say!

Sairus

I'm finally starting to feel comfortable on my stick after a couple of weeks on-and-off. I still have to think about where my fingers are half of the time, which completely kills my execution speed but I can see some definite improvement over the last few days.
One thing that I've found much easier on a stick are Guile's and Vega's Ultras. I've always been atrocious at doing them, but I can do em two out of three times on stick without much effort.

Sisko

So now I'm a stick player. Can't imagine playing ibuki on a pad. I still wonder about finger placement and stuff and not convinced the most 'natural/comfortable' placement = best execution.

But thats not what I wanna talk about here. I still have issues with dashing.

You'd think that hitting left or right twice on the stick to dash shouldnt be an issue but so many times I find my self trapped in focus attacks and what not, despite entering the dash command about 50 times my character does nothing.

Sometimes , to my surprise I can visually see this happening. My character vibrated on the screen but does not dash which makes no sense to me.

I recently uploaded a silly ibuki video, at the end of it, I added an example of this , with this post/thread in mind so people can see what I'm talking about. Cause I'm not really sure wtf I'm doing wrong.

1:35 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uhYqwKA1jQ

Note I'm entering in back dash like a motherfucker the entire time makoto is hitting me, with the hope of dashing backwards once her combo is done.

But NOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo ibuki just vibrates there for a second before the game decided 'hmmm I wonder why the back comand has been entered 170 times in the past 2 seconds, maybe he wants to back dash... "

and ibuki finally starts back dashing. :pac: luckley the makoto didnt punsih the **** out of me, more often then not something like this costs me a round.

animaX

Haha, i didn't realise you made that video yourself!

Not sure what's going on with the dashing, might be something to do with the stick not resetting back to neutral after the first input. Maybe you're actuator is too wide (you did the widening mod didn't you?)

Doctor DooM

I do this too when trying to dash ultra occasionally. I think as Animerry said it's because you're not hitting neutral correctly.

Scavenger XIII

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I do this too when trying to dash ultra occasionally.

Ditto. Thankfully Knee to ultra makes for a nice poor mans dash ultra if you're not feeling it.

Sisko

I thought this might be it but then I thought surely if this is the case then ibuki wouldn't move at all or if she did she'd at least walk backwards or something no? As the game would read it as me holding back instead of dashing ?

K.O.Kiki

Could be lag?

Or maybe it's because the JLF on octo sucks :pac:

Sisko

Don't think it was lag at all this happens to me in offline games (trapped in focus attacks etc)

Gate wouldn't make any difference.

Doctor DooM

Sisko wrote: »

Don't think it was lag at all this happens to me in offline games (trapped in focus attacks etc)

Gate wouldn't make any difference.

It doesn't happen to me when I slow the motion slightly and control it (much like hitting FADC ultra with Ryu, too fast and you mess it up).

Sisko

You mean I'm dashing too fast hmm interesting you use the ryu example too.

On pad I'd just dash , hit the d-pad forward as fast as my thumb let me.

It was only well after I was into learning stick that I 1st ever encountered doing ryu's ultra too early, so maybe that is it alright, I'm still applying the methods I did on d-pad , or the rhythm I should say. I guess I just gotta change this. I'll try to take a mental note.

As sometimes I actually don't even try to dash in some situations where it'd help me, for fear of fucking it up and leaving my self wide wide open. Never mind all the times I've been raped while stuck in a focus attack.

Horsefumbler

I'm gonna be switching to stick soon. I can't really get any worse so I'm fairly hopefull

Sisko

Good luck man!


Back to what I was saying, at Terrys DCU event Redman was talking to me about the dashing issue and said its likely due to the way I grip the stick which causes me to hit the opposite direction while franticlly trying to dash.

Reason being apon attemped recreation of that odd twitching, it seems impossible for that to happen without the opposite direction being hit also. I reackon he's right.

I'm still generally very clumbsy on stick full stop, even though now I feel more comfortable on stick than pad. At least on my stick anyway. Tried using dreddies/roogles semistu TE and I may as well have no been playing.

Scavenger XIII

That would be consistent with the fact that I only seem to get that when I fluff a dash-sonic hurricane attempt, since that involves fwd-fwd-bck-fwd.