Rent Allowance Social Welfare December Budget

ronan45

Hey Guys, Heres my thinking why cut the Dole and give the people on the dole less spending power! Thats not fair and unjust. We all know there is a massive glut of apartments and houses nationwide and rents have most certainly fallen by between 25% and 50% (if not more) depending on location. As Landlords with empty accomodation bend over backwards to get tennants. Why not let the Landlords take the pain and drop the rent supplement they receive from the tax payer. There is no way a land lord will evict someone over a rent decrease and risk his apartment or house sitting idle for months or years earning him nothing. "Bird in the hand worth two in the bush"
The rent supplement is a GUARUNTEED payment from the Government and Landlords at the moment are getting top rent from the tax payer. And Joe Bloggs with no Job will still have his full dole payments and it will be the Landlord who has to take the burden. Why are we the tax payer paying over the odds to house people on rent Supplement if the rent has come down. Reflect it in what we pay the landlords and leave the small payment of the dole (cash you get in your hand to spend alone)

senordingdong

Not that simple I'm afraid Ronan.

The maximum rent suppement available to a person with no children is E320.
Now, it'd be rare to find any decent accomodation below that price, therefore, cutting rent supplement will not force landlords to drop rent, it will force tenants to pay the difference out of the their jobseekers or disabiity benefit or whatever.

Ultimately, not the best road to go down.

Hermit07

For your information

Rent allowance was already hit in the supplementary budget earlier this year. May you get off your high horse and never have to find yourself in the unfortunate positon of having nowhere to live.

And Landlords have to cover their morgage too

moretothegirl

senordingdong wrote: »

Not that simple I'm afraid Ronan.

The maximum rent suppement available to a person with no children is E320.
Now, it'd be rare to find any decent accomodation below that price, therefore, cutting rent supplement will not force landlords to drop rent, it will force tenants to pay the difference out of the their jobseekers or disabiity benefit or whatever.

Ultimately, not the best road to go down.

is that 320 euro a month?

_Kooli_

Just cut the dole by 25% for those without 5 or 10 years PRSI payments.

Xiney

_Kooli_ wrote: »

Just cut the dole by 25% for those without 5 or 10 years PRSI payments.

then that would be punishing 23 year olds who had gone to university over those who had worked instead.

_Kooli_

Xiney wrote: »

then that would be punishing 23 year olds who had gone to university over those who had worked instead.

It would be punishing those who havent contributed to the tax pool.
They have a lifetime ahead of them to contribute.

moretothegirl

_Kooli_ wrote: »

It would be punishing those who havent contributed to the tax pool.
They have a lifetime ahead of them to contribute.

exactly, you would be punishing people who havent had a chance to contribute to the tax pool yet. punish them now and then expect them to go on and spend their life paying taxes for the country?
i hate this attitude in this country, of not having the foresight to see past this moment and see into the future and invest in the future. people are coming out of college now having invested in their education for their future, because of the economy at the moment they can't get work but this is temporary. dont kick them when they're down when it will be them that will go on over the next decade and get us out of this situation.


i truely believe the answer lies with a better system that really vets candidates properly. im so sick of seeing certain individuals who aspire to leeaving school and going on the dole and spending the rest of their life on it. its supposed to be a temporary solution for us when we loose work/cant find work etc for whatever reason, but its people who arent trying to get work , who arent bothered and who just want the easy money every week for nothing that have us in this situation.

_Kooli_

moretothegirl wrote: »

exactly, you would be punishing people who havent had a chance to contribute to the tax pool yet. punish them now and then expect them to go on and spend their life paying taxes for the country?
i hate this attitude in this country, of not having the foresight to see past this moment and see into the future and invest in the future. people are coming out of college now having invested in their education for their future, because of the economy at the moment they can't get work but this is temporary. dont kick them when they're down when it will be them that will go on over the next decade and get us out of this situation.


i truely believe the answer lies with a better system that really vets candidates properly. im so sick of seeing certain individuals who aspire to leeaving school and going on the dole and spending the rest of their life on it. its supposed to be a temporary solution for us when we loose work/cant find work etc for whatever reason, but its people who arent trying to get work , who arent bothered and who just want the easy money every week for nothing that have us in this situation.

No matter how you choose to word it. They have not actually contributed yet, have they?

GER12

Should not the issue be the DSFA for not enforcing and having the guts to tackle the long-term unemployed during the boom years - rather than making blanket statements about 25% cuts for those who are now quite likely to be long-term unemployed.

The reality of our current economic climate that nobody is going to be immune from the prospect of financial meltdown - bankruptcy and the IMF. What people dont seem to realise that long-term unemployment is about to return with a massive resurgence - this time those who are long-term unemployed are going to be people who were employed during the boom years. There are secondary consequences to being long-term unemployed - you are talking about loss of income, status, identity and in addition to the psychological and physical problems long-term unemployment puts people at risk homelessness. I for one have yet to see any pro-active measures from FAS or Govt to address labour market re-activation or re-skilling!

Lets face it - those who leave Uni and College or those with professional qualifications or any kind of transferable job-skill are not too likely to hang around good owl Ireland - like the brain drain of the 80's and 90's they are going to skip it and leave you's all to seal your own fate - which will eventually come!

_Kooli_

GER12 wrote: »

Should not the issue be the DSFA for not enforcing and having the guts to tackle the long-term unemployed during the boom years - rather than making blanket statements about 25% cuts for those who are now quite likely to be long-term unemployed.

The reality of our current economic climate that nobody is going to be immune from the prospect of financial meltdown - bankruptcy and the IMF. What people dont seem to realise that long-term unemployment is about to return with a massive resurgence - this time those who are long-term unemployed are going to be people who were employed during the boom years. There are secondary consequences to being long-term unemployed - you are talking about loss of income, status, identity and in addition to the psychological and physical problems long-term unemployment puts people at risk homelessness. I for one have yet to see any pro-active measures from FAS or Govt to address labour market re-activation or re-skilling!

Lets face it - those who leave Uni and College or those with professional qualifications or any kind of transferable job-skill are not too likely to hang around good owl Ireland - like the brain drain of the 80's and 90's they are going to skip it and leave you's all to seal your own fate - which will eventually come!

Dont forget people leaving uni are very green. They are qualified for nothing until they get some work experience and the skills required to be useful to an employer.
Employers cant carry grads til they are brought up to speed these days.
So grads can either go somewhere they can get the skills or stay and get the dole. O just head of and have fun for a few years picking fruit like we all did. Their choice.

GER12

Thats presuming there will even be fruit-picking jobs in Ireland! I dont think any grad or skilled person will hang around - only this week on prime time did you see employers in London who were quite willing to take newly qualified inexperienced nurses who had no work experience of staffing - 180 in total and that was only in one hospital. You can train them and they'll quite willing take them - like they done in the 80's and 90's that's why it was called the brain drain.

You really think that even if fruit picking factories survive given international markets and the financial meltdown that these employers are likely to employ architects, solicitors, doctors, nurses, engineers for a minimum wage or low paid job - over and above those they can get without qualifications or poor skills base - I dont think so - it wouldnt be in their interest to employ these people. By all accounts its the 5 traditional professions and highly skilled people with transferable skills who going to be new unemployed and long-termed if they had bothered to hang around.

_Kooli_

GER12 wrote: »

Thats presuming there will even be fruit-picking jobs in Ireland! I dont think any grad or skilled person will hang around - only this week on prime time did you see employers in London who were quite willing to take newly qualified inexperienced nurses who had no work experience of staffing - 180 in total and that was only in one hospital. You can train them and they'll quite willing take them - like they done in the 80's and 90's that's why it was called the brain drain.

You really think that even if fruit picking factories survive given international markets and the financial meltdown that these employers are likely to employ architects, solicitors, doctors, nurses, engineers for a minimum wage or low paid job - over and above those they can get without qualifications or poor skills base - I dont think so - it wouldnt be in their interest to employ these people. By all accounts its the 5 traditional professions and highly skilled people with transferable skills who going to be new unemployed and long-termed if they had bothered to hang around.

Despite all the doom and gloom i know quite a lote of people who are architects, solicitors, doctors, nurses, engineers etc. None of them are unemployed. A couple (and both of them were only qualified for 2 years) were laid off at one stage, but got jobs within a few weeks. Grads in these professions who cant get jobs are just grads - they have not become valuable enough to hire yet.

Who said grads had to stay in Ireland? There is a whole world out there. If the economy dictates you take a break before getting into your working life, then grasp this break with both hands. Jesus, people should get a grip and take control of their lives. If you have to move abroad to advance your career, do it. If you cant advance your career go away and get some enjoyable life experiences. Dont stay here and cry about the economy.

GER12

I know alot of people who recently graduated and that also includes older persons from professional backgrounds with experience who are now unemployed - its going to cut across all segments of society unfortunately. Like you say, people are charged wth their own future - sometimes the bull just has to be grasped by the horns and decisions have to be made to emigrate to another country that is more likely provide you with a better life, work life balance, good career prospects and greater opportunities for career progression - as they say life awaits as...!