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How the government will save one billion per year relatively painlessly...

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    #62
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    parsi wrote: »
    I heard of a few shopkeepers who bough tranches of shares in cash every month . This was obviously nice handy under-the-counter cash that never was sniffed out by the Revenue..
    How did you hear of these " few shopkeepers " private financial affairs ?
    How do you know the shares were bought with "handy under-the-counter cash ". Why not report them to the Renenue if so ?
    How do you know they were never snifed out by the Revenue ?
    parsi wrote: »
    Another way we could save money is to go and strip every developer of all his assets and his wifes assets and his kids assets and check their offshore bank accounts very closely.
    How would " striping every developer of all his assets and his wifes assets and his kids assets" save money, given than not a cent of government expenditure is going in to the poxckets of same ? They are not on the public service pension gravy train and never will be, much and all as they would like to be.


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    #63
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    NewDubliner wrote: »
    You mean allpw the government to break any contract it no longer wishes to honour?

    The government is bust and cannot afford to keep paying its public service + their retired public servants as much as they want.

    When the young "average but not very bright fellow" left school in 79 and joined the Gardai, it was not in his contract he could retire in 2009 with a pension pot worth 1.3 million euro. Otherwise every school leaver then would have joined the Guards ! :D:D:D:D:D Even those who were bright at school and who studied hard.;)

    30,000 to 40,000 should be enough of a yearly pension for anyone, given the state of public finances. If the govt restricted pension renumeration to its own employees to 30 to 40k a year, it will save the country borrowing a billion each and every year....4 billion over 4 years for example. Think of the interest saved by our children + grandchildren in not having to pay the interest on these borrowings.....they will have enough other govt debt to try to pay the interest on.

    Shame on those public service people who expect the rest of us to continue borrowing a billion a year to give them a pension renumeration bigger than 30,000 or 40,000 per year.


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    #64
    killbillvol2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    I just stumbled on this thread and something struck me. What does this guy Jimmmy do?

    He seems to spend all day online complaining about the public servants he's paying for. How is he paying for them? He couldn't possibly be working.


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    #65
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    killbillvol2 wrote: »

    He seems to spend all day online complaining about the public servants he's paying for. .
    There are 168 hours a week. Maybe I work when not posting ? Or I could work in a seasonal industry ? Or I could be retired but still paying tax ?
    Or I could be self employed but chosing to spend my time as I do. Or I could be disabled but still pay tax. Its really none of your business.
    killbillvol2 wrote: »
    How is he paying for them?
    That is my business. I pay and have paid income tax, vat etc etc etc...and who are you to say I have not paid c.g.t, stamp duty, c.a.t, vrt etc.
    I do not make personal attacks against public service posters who post on this board on a very regular basis during office hours;)


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    #66
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    jimmmy wrote: »
    ... I do not make personal attacks against public service posters who post on this board on a very regular basis during office hours;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62465359&postcount=41
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62057948&postcount=83
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61133925&postcount=81
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60330509&postcount=605
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60309774&postcount=550
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60273613&postcount=440
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60270876&postcount=424


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    #67
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    jimmmy wrote: »
    I pay and have paid income tax, vat etc etc etc...and who are you to say I have not paid c.g.t, stamp duty, c.a.t, vrt etc.

    :eek: A public sector worker pays them too :eek: surely you aren't one of them? ;)


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    #68
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    EF wrote: »
    :eek: A public sector worker pays them too :eek: surely you aren't one of them? ;)

    I can assure you I have send a lot more cheques to the government, for a lot more money, than the government ever paid me.;)

    Now, back to the thread...." How the government will save one billion per year relatively painlessly..."


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    #69
    killbillvol2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    jimmmy wrote: »
    I can assure you I have send a lot more cheques to the government, for a lot more money, than the government ever paid me.;)

    [/I]

    Actually, I've no reason to believe that.

    I know 2 things about you:

    1. You have a massive chip on your shoulder.
    2. You have a lot of time on your hands.

    That's about it. You can come on here and rant and rave all you want and throw out your sweeping generalisations but at the end of the day you're just some guy who does nothing all day but sit at a computer mouthing off.

    Why anybody responds to your rabid nonsense is another question...


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    #70
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    killbillvol2 wrote: »
    Actually, I've no reason to believe that.

    I know 2 things about you:

    1. You have a massive chip on your shoulder.
    2. You have a lot of time on your hands.

    That's about it. You can come on here and rant and rave all you want and throw out your sweeping generalisations but at the end of the day you're just some guy who does nothing all day but sit at a computer mouthing off.

    Why anybody responds to your rabid nonsense is another question...

    i know one thing about you , you confuse opinion with fact


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    #71
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Goo duggestion by the OP! I would be someone who would be very against the PS and the gravy train! but I do have sympathy for the frontliners or admin staff etc that are on 25 - 30k a year! a world apart from alot of the PS! Instead of pay cuts, why not get rid of the lump sum payment entirely, who will be getting it? staff who have probably paid off their mortgage years ago and have no dependants! when you think they have creamed it off for years, benefitted from the boom! they already have their ridiculous pension, and on top of that they get a lump sum, that will either sit in their saving account till they die, or be given to their sons or daughters or completely wasted? while their colleagues struggling to get by, and I do believe some in the lowed paid PS struggle to get by (I do listen to both sides of the arguaments)! I think that ridiculous lump sum payment should go before everyone gets hit, and the only ones I actually care about that are taking or will take the hit in the PS are the ones that cant afford it!


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    irish_bob
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Goo duggestion by the OP! I would be someone who would be very against the PS and the gravy train! but I do have sympathy for the frontliners or admin staff etc that are on 25 - 30k a year! a world apart from alot of the PS! Instead of pay cuts, why not get rid of the lump sum payment entirely, who will be getting it? staff who have probably paid off their mortgage years ago and have no dependants! when you think they have creamed it off for years, benefitted from the boom! they already have their ridiculous pension, and on top of that they get a lump sum, that will either sit in their saving account till they die, or be given to their sons or daughters or completely wasted? while their colleagues struggling to get by, and I do believe some in the lowed paid PS struggle to get by (I do listen to both sides of the arguaments)! I think that ridiculous lump sum payment should go before everyone gets hit, and the only ones I actually care about that are taking or will take the hit in the PS are the ones that cant afford it!


    guards and nurses average 50 k per year , where are you getting 25 - 30 k from


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    #73
    Dozen Wicked Words
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    irish_bob wrote: »
    guards and nurses average 50 k per year , where are you getting 25 - 30 k from

    50 grand average for nurses? Would love a link for that please.


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    #74
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    dooferoaks wrote: »
    50 grand average for nurses? Would love a link for that please.
    Thanks to another poster for these links etc:
    http://www.ino.ie/DesktopModules/Art...=3625&mid=6977

    Also added allowances
    http://www.ino.ie/DesktopModules/Art...=4680&mid=6977

    and

    http://www.ino.ie/DesktopModules/Art...=4681&mid=6977

    And as was pointed out by someone else " double pay for working Sundays as part of your normal working week and an extra payment for working Saturday. "

    Other links on boards in the past have shown the Gardai on an average of 60k a year. So frontline staff are not badly paid by any means. Bear in mind average industrial wage in the worlds superpower economy, the US of A, where many an Irish person went to in order to get better paid jobs in the past, is only 41,000 dollars a year ...ie about 27,500 euro.


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    #75
    jimmmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jimmmy


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Instead of pay cuts, why not get rid of the lump sum payment entirely, who will be getting it? staff who have probably paid off their mortgage years ago and have no dependants! when you think they have creamed it off for years, benefitted from the boom! they already have their ridiculous pension, and on top of that they get a lump sum, that will either sit in their saving account till they die, or be given to their sons or daughters or completely wasted? while their colleagues struggling to get by, and I do believe some in the lowed paid PS struggle to get by (I do listen to both sides of the arguaments)! I think that ridiculous lump sum payment should go before everyone gets hit, and the only ones I actually care about that are taking or will take the hit in the PS are the ones that cant afford it!
    thank you. I agree the retiring / retired public servants are way more overpaid than some of the younger public servants who may be struggling with a mortgage / kids / unemployed partner etc.


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