Schools to close on 24th November

Rantan

herya wrote: »

Maybe not so much if you read the article quoted above - this girl is a junior teacher on over 40k already in her fourth year, well on her way to much more while her actual duties won't change that much. Perhaps it just depends on whom you know and where you are.

In all fairness to her she does state she is prepared to take a paycut, anyway my previous post is about secondary teachers not primary, just to clarify - I never mentioned that.

MaceFace

Rantan wrote: »

In all fairness to her she does state she is prepared to take a paycut, anyway my previous post is about secondary teachers not primary, just to clarify - I never mentioned that.

I wonder how much of a pay cut she would take.
IMO a teacher with ~4 years experience = 28k. (10 years = 42k)

ifconfig

I've heard the line from a number of teachers (eg, on the RTE Frontline last night) saying that they had been 30 odd years teaching and this was the first time they were taking industrial action for 25 years....

I'm sure most people have better memories than that .

http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/1128/teachers.html

There was a protracted pay related industrial action taken by ASTI and others back in the middle of the economic boom.

dearg lady

ifconfig wrote: »

I've heard the line from a number of teachers (eg, on the RTE Frontline last night) saying that they had been 30 odd years teaching and this was the first time they were taking industrial action for 25 years....

I'm sure most people have better memories than that .

http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/1128/teachers.html

There was a protracted pay related industrial action taken by ASTI and others back in the middle of the economic boom.

there's more than one teachers union, my school never closed during that strike you mention.

dearg lady

gurramok wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/education/2009/1124/1224259332656.html?via=mr

3 years of teaching(starting 4th) and earning 43k at Primary school level. Thats insane wages for that level of experience as a teacher. :eek:

lol, I just came back to this thread to quote that article but notice you already have!

I don't doubt that teachers do a difficult job, but saying €43,000 a year 'is fine, not a huge amount' is fairly shocking.

I guess as a nation we need to readjust our wages expectations down.

rebel10

dearg lady wrote: »

lol, I just came back to this thread to quote that article but notice you already have!

I don't doubt that teachers do a difficult job, but saying €43,000 a year 'is fine, not a huge amount' is fairly shocking.

I guess as a nation we need to readjust our wages expectations down.

hhttp://www.into.ie/NI/Teachers/Salaries/TeachersPayScales/PayScales.pdfow Don't know accurate that article is, being a secondary teacher i know you would earn no where near that amount in such a little space of time. Just checked payscale of primary teachers there cause that seems unbelievable, looks to be alot lower in fact, eur25,278 for a teacher teaching for 4 yrs. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Stark

Are you a temporary or ful-time permanent secondary school teacher? I know the old style of permanent contract where you could practically take chainsaw to a class of kids and still keep your well paying job is hard to come by these days.

That PDF you linked to is the salary scale for teachers in Northern Ireland I believe.

Here is the common basic scale for full-time primary teachers: http://www.into.ie/ROI/InformationforTeachers/Salaries/CommonBasicScale/ (3rd column is the current one). Onto this salary, you add on a qualification allowance as described on this page: http://www.into.ie/ROI/InformationforTeachers/Salaries/AcademicandOtherAllowances/

dearg lady

rebel10 wrote: »

hhttp://www.into.ie/NI/Teachers/Salaries/TeachersPayScales/PayScales.pdfow Don't know accurate that article is, being a secondary teacher i know you would earn no where near that amount in such a little space of time. Just checked payscale of primary teachers there cause that seems unbelievable, looks to be alot lower in fact, eur25,278 for a teacher teaching for 4 yrs. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

That link doesn't seem to be working... but anyway, it refers to basic salary in Northern ireland, also it's for 2007. Basic Salary for teacher in Republic listed as 36,068, plus whatever other bits make up their actual salary

Tipp Man

rebel10 wrote: »

hhttp://www.into.ie/NI/Teachers/Salaries/TeachersPayScales/PayScales.pdfow Don't know accurate that article is, being a secondary teacher i know you would earn no where near that amount in such a little space of time. Just checked payscale of primary teachers there cause that seems unbelievable, looks to be alot lower in fact, eur25,278 for a teacher teaching for 4 yrs. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm afraid you are, firstly i'm almost certain that all teachers with a degree start at point 3 on the scale and the INTO website seems to back this up, i know secondary teachers start on 3, Therefore after 4 years you would be on point 6. So the calculations are:

Point 6 on the scale 39,030
Degree 5,177
Hdip 1,301
Total Salary at Point 6 45,508

So you're only out by 20k;)

http://www.into.ie/ROI/InformationforTeachers/Salaries/CommonBasicScale/

rebel10

Tipp Man wrote: »

I'm afraid you are, firstly i'm almost certain that all teachers with a degree start at point 3 on the scale and the INTO website seems to back this up, i know secondary teachers start on 3, Therefore after 4 years you would be on point 6. So the calculations are:

Point 6 on the scale 39,030
Degree 5,177
Hdip 1,301
Total Salary at Point 6 45,508

So you're only out by 20k;)

http://www.into.ie/ROI/InformationforTeachers/Salaries/CommonBasicScale/

Sorry was referring to the primary teacher not a secondary teacher, explained already i don't really know how much they are earning, seems to be alot more than myself, but i would not envy their job. I am not on full hours so my pay is obviously not related to the salary scale. Never saw that it was N.I. version, apologies.

Stark

Primary teachers and secondary teachers share a common pay scale I believe. Maybe it's just easier for primary school teachers to come by permanent positions.

K-9

rebel10 wrote: »

Sorry was referring to the primary teacher not a secondary teacher, explained already i don't really know how much they are earning, seems to be alot more than myself, but i would not envy their job. I am not on full hours so my pay is obviously not related to the salary scale. Never saw that it was N.I. version, apologies.

No harm to you Rebel10, but the more and more you post here, the more and more you reinforce you aren't that particularly well paid, but permanent teachers are.

Has it occurred to you yet that maybe the problem isn't particularly your pay but teachers starting on 40 odd k, teachers on 60k after 10 or so years and principals on 70k?

I'm starting to think Principals are underpaid and teachers overpaid.