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Most 'successful' Player?

  • 14-11-2009 2:06pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭


    We have the 'who's the best player...' poll running at the moment but who is the most successful / decorated player of all time?

    Initially I was thinking Giggs but he had no success with country.

    The best I could come up with is Claude Makelle - world cup, euro cup, FA cup, Premiership & league cup with Chelsea, champions league with real and maybe a cup / league elsewhere?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    Ryan Giggs. Not his fault that Wales are dirt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭IrishIrish


    Bixente Lizarazu?

    2 french league titles
    9 German cups
    6 German leagues
    1 Champions league
    1 Intercontinental cup

    1 World Cup
    1 Euro championships
    2 Confeds cup

    "After winning the Intercontinental Cup in late 2001 with Bayern, Lizarazu was European Champion and World Champion on both club-level (with Bayern) and national level (with the national squad). This was the first time in history one player held such a record."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭pierrot


    Anelka's won almost everything there is to win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    IrishIrish wrote: »
    Bixente Lizarazu?

    2 french league titles
    9 German cups
    6 German leagues
    1 Champions league
    1 Intercontinental cup

    1 World Cup
    1 Euro championships
    2 Confeds cup

    "After winning the Intercontinental Cup in late 2001 with Bayern, Lizarazu was European Champion and World Champion on both club-level (with Bayern) and national level (with the national squad). This was the first time in history one player held such a record."

    He has also just become European champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    Cafu prehaps?

    2 World Cup wins once as a captain
    2 Copa America wins
    1st player to ever play in 3 World Cup finals in a row
    1 Champions League win
    Serie A tittle with two different clubs
    2 Copa Libertadores wins
    1 Cup Winners Cup
    1 World Club Cup
    plus a couple of Italian & Brazilain cups.

    Not to shabby.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭pierrot


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    He has also just become European champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. :pac:

    Thought you were joking, but a quick altavista revealed it to be true. Unbelievable. Well, it's settled, so, and if we disagree he'll choke us out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Oliver Khan appears to have won everything except a world cup - although I dont think he is a martial arts expert:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    pierrot wrote: »
    Thought you were joking, but a quick altavista revealed it to be true. Unbelievable. Well, it's settled, so, and if we disagree he'll choke us out.

    Just happened to see an article on him in this month's Four Four Two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭carlop


    Cannavaro and Maldini certainly deserve a mention, though the former never won the CL and the latter never won the World Cup

    Edit: Cannavaro never actually won serie A as they were both taken away after the calciopoli scandal so I guess he's not a great candidate after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,170 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Henry has World Cup, Euro Championships, Spanish, English + French league/cup titles, and a Champions League.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    The only weakness in Lizarazu's careers is that the only league he won was in Germany (he has one Ligue 2 title).

    Can I put forward Thierry Henry?

    Monaco

    Arsenal

    Barcelona

    International

    Individual





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭pierrot


    I'll take Henry. La Liga and Prem, Copa and FA, Champions League, WC and EC. That'd do me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Seedorf? 5 CL's with 3 teams

    AFC Ajax

    * Eredivisie: 1993-94, 1994-95
    * KNVB Cup: 1993
    * Johan Cruijff-schaal: 1993, 1994
    * UEFA Champions League: 1995

    Real Madrid F.C.

    * La Liga: 1996-97
    * Supercopa de España: 1997
    * UEFA Champions League: 1998, 2000
    * Intercontinental Cup: 1998

    Associazione Calcio Milan

    * Serie A: 2003-04
    * Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
    * UEFA Champions League: 2003, 2007
    * UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
    * FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

    Going further back, maybe the Kaiser - 3 EC's, 2 WC (1 as coach)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    cisse would be one of the most decorated players


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭pierrot


    Or maybe Dwight Yorke, 'successful' with the 'ladies'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I would say Seedorf is up there, as is Giggs in sheer numbers. In terms of international, I guess Zidane and Henry would be up there.

    I honestly expect Ronaldo and Messi to seriously challenge all of them though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    zAbbo wrote: »
    Seedorf? 5 CL's with 3 teams

    I'm sure Seedorf was in a lot of people minds but a lack of a World Cup or European Championship clinches it for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    This guy was pretty successful. He managed to play in the Premiership despite being a 'footballer' in the same way that you or me would think of ourselves as 'footballers'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    PHB wrote: »
    I honestly expect Ronaldo and Messi to seriously challenge all of them though

    Ronaldo won't win a WC, or a EC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    is this from the 90s only or what?

    Gerd Muller
    Ray Clemance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Des wrote: »
    Ronaldo won't win a WC, or a EC

    Why not, considering recent winners are Denmark and Greece?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Why not, considering recent winners are Denmark and Greece?

    Recent? Denmark?

    Wut?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Des wrote: »
    Recent? Denmark?

    Wut?

    Don't split hairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭ADTR


    Zidane, for me.

    Bordeaux

    * UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1995

    Juventus

    * Serie A: 1996-97, 1997-98
    * Italian Super Cup: 1997
    * European Super Cup: 1996
    * Intercontinental Cup: 1996
    * UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999

    Real Madrid

    * La Liga: 2002-03
    * Spanish Super Cup: 2001, 2003
    * UEFA Champions League: 2001-02
    * European Super Cup: 2002
    * Intercontinental Cup: 2002

    International

    * FIFA World Cup: 1998
    * UEFA European Championship: 2000

    Individual

    Ballon d'Or awarded to Zidane in 1998.

    * Ligue 1 Best Young Player - 1994
    * Ligue 1 Best Player - 1996
    * UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder - 1998
    * Ballon D'or - 1998
    * UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament - 2000
    * Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year - 1997, 2001
    * Serie A Footballer of the Year - 2001
    * Onze d'Or - 1998, 2000, 2001
    * French Player of the Year - 1998, 2002
    * UEFA Club Footballer of the Year - 2002
    * Don Balón Award Foreign Player of the year in La Liga - 2002
    * UEFA Team of the Year - 2001, 2002, 2003
    * FIFA World Player of the Year - 1998, 2000, 2003
    * UEFA Golden Jubilee Poll - 2004
    * FIFA 100
    * UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament - 2000, 2004
    * FIFA World Cup Golden Ball - 2006
    * FIFA World Cup All-Star Team - 1998, 2006
    * FIFPro World XI All-Star Team - 2005, 2006


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭kinaldo


    Raúl deserves a mention, winning 3 Champions Leagues no less , 6 Spanish leagues, plus numerous Europeaon, domestic and World titles, player of the year awards, and golden boots.

    He is also still Spain's, Real Madrid's, and the Champions League's all-time top scorer.

    Also, based on form he deserved to at least be in Spain's European Championship winning squad last summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭event


    as someone already said, gerd muller has to be up there:

    Titles with Bayern Munich

    * Bundesliga: 1969, 1972, 1973, 1974
    * German Cup: 1966, 1967, 1969, 1971
    * European Champions’ Cup: 1974, 1975, 1976
    * Intercontinental Cup: 1976
    * Cup Winners’ Cup: 1967

    Titles with the national team

    * European Championship: 1972
    * World Cup: 1974

    and his international record, 68 goals in 62 games


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Would have to say Henry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭Tom65


    pierrot wrote: »
    Anelka's won almost everything there is to win.

    He's never played in a World Cup though (hopefully Ireland will keep that record in tact).

    I'd probably go for Zidane or Henry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭mink_man


    ah seedorf!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭thorbarry


    Alfredo di Stéfano
    Maybe not a winner, but at least an honorable mention for the shear amount of stuff he won with Real Madrid, and for being an absolute legend. Unfortunately his International record isn't the best, but he did play for Argentina, Colombia and Spain :)

    River Plate
    *Primera División: 1945, 1947
    *South American Club Championship : 1948 (runner-up)

    Millonarios
    *Colombian Championship: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953
    *Copa Colombia: 1953
    *Copa Bodas de Oro del Real Madrid: 1952
    *Pequeña Copa del Mundo de Clubes: 1953

    Real Madrid
    *Primera División: 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
    *Copa del Rey: 1962
    *European Cup: 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1958–59, 1959–60
    *Intercontinental Cup: 1960
    *Pequeña Copa del Mundo de Clubes: 1956
    *Latin Cup: 1955, 1957

    Argentina
    *South American Championship: 1947

    Individual honours
    *Argentine League Top Scorer 1947
    *Colombian League Top Scorer 1951, 1952
    *Pichichi Trophy 1954, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
    *Ballon d'Or 1957, 1959
    *European Cup Top Scorer 1958, 1962
    *Spanish Player (Athlete) of the Year 1957, 1959, 1960, 1964
    *FIFA 100


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Didier Deschamps won literally everything excluding a few domestic titles. Both International honours , both European Championships, the Champions League twice, Intercontinental cup and European Super Cup and he won the big three as captain

    As a player
    1998 FIFA World Cup winner
    Chevalier (Knight) of the Légion d'honneur in 1998[5][6]
    Euro 2000 winner
    Champions League winner: 1993, 1996
    Intercontinental Cup winner: 1996
    European Super Cup winner: 1996
    Ligue 1 winner: 1990, 1992
    Serie A winner: 1995, 1997, 1998
    Italian Cup winner 1995
    Italian Super Cup winner: 1995, 1997
    UEFA Cup runner-up: 1995
    FA Cup winner: 2000
    Youngest captain to lift the Champions League trophy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    Cafu ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭WeeBushy


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    The only weakness in Lizarazu's careers is that the only league he won was in Germany (he has one Ligue 2 title).

    Can I put forward Thierry Henry?

    Monaco

    Arsenal

    Barcelona

    International

    Individual




    I agree, mainly because you put so much effort into your post. Has me convinced :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    WeeBushy wrote: »
    I agree, mainly because you put so much effort into your post. Has me convinced :)

    Ctrl + C & Ctrl + V. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭WeeBushy


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Ctrl + C & Ctrl + V. :)

    I still dont hear a word against...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Whatever about most succesful, the most undersevedly successful has to be Christiam Karambeu. World Cup, European Champioships, 2 Champs Leagues, 3 La Ligas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Just out of interest, would people prefer to have a Giggs career where you win a few things multiple times or a Deschamps career where you win everything once


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,172 ✭✭✭NaiveMelodies


    Tom65 wrote: »
    He's never played in a World Cup though (hopefully Ireland will keep that record in tact).

    I'd probably go for Zidane or Henry.

    :( He certainly looked like he wanted to end that record tonight!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, would people prefer to have a Giggs career where you win a few things multiple times or a Deschamps career where you win everything once

    Giggs without a doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, would people prefer to have a Giggs career where you win a few things multiple times or a Deschamps career where you win everything once

    Deschamps-type career, no question about it. Beating Portsmouth in the FA Cup becomes a bit tedious after a while.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, would people prefer to have a Giggs career where you win a few things multiple times or a Deschamps career where you win everything once

    deschamps most definitely.

    variety is the spice of life and all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Ladies and gentlemen, meet Mr. Franz Beckenbauer....

    Club
    Bayern Munich

    Bundesliga -
    Winner: 1968–1969, 1971–1972, 1972–1973, 1973–1974

    DFB Cup -
    Winner: 1966, 1967, 1969, 1971

    European Cup -
    Winner: 1973–1974, 1974–1975, 1975–1976

    UEFA Cup Winners' Cup -
    Winner: 1967

    Intercontinental Cup -
    Winner: 1976

    Regionalliga Süd -
    Winner: 1965 31 matches 16 goals.



    Hamburg
    Bundesliga -
    Winner: 1981–1982


    New York Cosmos
    NASL Championship -
    Winner: 1976–1977, 1977–1978, 1979–1980

    Trans-Atlantic Cup Championships -
    Winner: 1980, 1983

    International
    FIFA World Cup -
    Winner: 1974
    Runner-up: 1966
    Third-Place: 1970

    European Football Championship -
    Winner: 1972
    Runner-up: 1976

    Managerial
    FIFA World Cup -
    Winner: 1990
    Runner-up: 1986

    Bundesliga -
    Winner: 1993–1994

    UEFA Cup -
    Winner: 1995-1996


    Individual
    Ballon d'Or
    Winner: 1972, 1976
    Runner-up: 1974, 1975

    FIFA World Cup Young Player of the Tournament:
    1966

    FIFA World Cup Golden Ball-
    Runner-up: 1974

    FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament:
    1966, 1970, 1974

    European Football Championships Team of the Tournament:
    1972, 1976

    German Footballer of the Year:
    1966, 1968, 1974, 1976

    World Soccer Magazine of the Year
    Winner: 1972, 1976
    Runner-up: 1974, 1975




    He has won every possible trophy if you take into account his UEFA cup win as a manager. Fantastically amazing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Ladies and gentlemen, meet Mr. Franz Beckenbauer....

    He has won every possible trophy if you take into account his UEFA cup win as a manager. Fantastically amazing.

    pfft...

    show me his English League title or gtfo.

    ;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    SlickRic wrote: »
    pfft...

    show me his English League title or gtfo.

    ;):D


    Are you serious? They were handing out English league titles to any Tom, Dick, and Harry back then. Sher the likes of Liverpool won 18 titles in those days. ;) Wouldn't have sullied his lovely record if anything. :P


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    Still playing, would be Henry and Seedorf IMO. The thing about Henry is he still has a very good chance to win more honours at club level and maybe even International level. He has years in him yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    eZe^ wrote: »
    Are you serious? They were handing out English league titles to any Tom, Dick, and Harry back then. Sher the likes of Liverpool won 18 titles in those days. ;) Wouldn't have sullied his lovely record if anything. :P

    ;)

    nah, in all seriousness i think we have a winner.

    and i'm kind of ashamed of us all that we didn't come up with the Kaiser sooner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Didier Deschalmps surely the most successful captain. My hole childhood is blighted with memories of him lifting every cup going from around 93-00!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭eZe^


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    My hole childhood is blighted

    Jesus mate, tmi.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    Try anusol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Going go for Zidane myself won it all at every level.


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