I want go to US and find a job

Blackpitts

hey guys
I'd like to move to the US permanently so I'm looking into all the different options out there.
I'm 35yo with a degree in economics and 10 years of working experience in IT so I think I would have good chances to find a job BUT not from here in Ireland.
VISA is the biggest issue i'd say, so I've applied for the green card and I hope to get a sponsorship from a US company, but it's very unlikely.

Do you think I can get better chances if I mvoe there with a 90 days permit and look for a job there? do you think that some company would hire me and give me the sponsorship in order to get the VISA? has anyone gone down this route? or is it easier to win the euromillions than doing this?

any help is really appreciated

silja

Well, you can go over there on the visa waiver program and apply/ interview for jobs, but they can't hire you without a visa, and for most (of not all... not sure) visas, you'll need to come back here for the visa interview at the US embassy in Dublin. That will add months until you can actually start work, and most uS companies are not prepared to wait that longh, especially in the current economic climate, where so many Americans are out of work and can be hired cheaply. Add to that that unless a company is used to hiring foreginers, they may be reluctant to sponsor a visa and if they are used to it, they will be willing to hire you (or at least start the process) while you are in Ireland... honestly, I think your chances are slim.

But if you are set on coming over here, and you have the money saved to fly over for 3 months on a (relatively small) chance that you will find an employer to hore you, go for it!

Black Swan

Although the news media has announced that the Great Recession may be over, which I find a bit hard to believe, in any case the unemployment trends predict things to get worse in the USA until about mid-2010, then gradually recover over the next 2 or 3 years. Needless to say, this is not a good time to come to the States looking for work.

One unique method of seeking employment in the States would be to enquire with one of their major corporations that have manufacturing sites in Ireland? Go to the human resources department of the site in Ireland and ask if they know of employment opportunities with their US headquarters or other divisions located in the US. Perhaps they would let you interview while still in Ireland by proxy for positions available in the States, and if hired, then help you through all the work visa requirements to make the relocation? Of course, you would have to have an employment skill or profession that was in demand by them and hard to fill Stateside.

Dell, Intel, Pfizer, and other major US corporations have manufacturing in Ireland. You can find others by Googling the US corporate headquarters homepages to identify those that have Irish divisions or subsidiaries.

metrovelvet

They are getting stingy with the working visa. Dont do go as an illegal. Dont go on the visa waiver programme and hope for the best. This is not the old days.

Blackpitts

metrovelvet wrote: »

They are getting stingy with the working visa. Dont do go as an illegal. Dont go on the visa waiver programme and hope for the best. This is not the old days.

i'm really not taking into consideration the idea of being illegal over there, i just wonder if I have a chance to find a sponsorship+job moving there for 3 months rather than sending CVs from here.
For sure if i can't find anything i would take the first flight back home after the 90 days.

dazftw

You can still apply for the Diversity Lottery but that process if you get through can take over a year before you finally get citizenship.

Im saving over the next few years and going to try for the 90 day find a job route..

Wuggectumondo

Blackpitts wrote: »

just wonder if I have a chance to find a sponsorship+job moving there for 3 months rather than sending CVs from here.
For sure if i can't find anything i would take the first flight back home after the 90 days.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. You can only get sponsored by a company in America if you can do a specialist job that an American can't. (Unless you were working for an international company in Ireland and they transferred you over). I know this as when I was on my J1 last year I was offered a great job full time but simply there is no way I could get a working visa

Pete4779

What you want is the MAVNI program for skilled foreigners on non-immigrant visas. You have to enlist for three years. However, you will be able to become a US citizen within a year.

Wuggectumondo

Pete4779 wrote: »

What you want is the MAVNI program for skilled foreigners on non-immigrant visas. You have to enlist for three years. However, you will be able to become a US citizen within a year.

The MAVNI (Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest) pilot program, authorized by the Defense Department, gives legal aliens with skills considered to be vital to national interest--doctors, nurses, and certain language experts--the opportunity to expedite the naturalization process by serving in the U.S. military.

Robbie444

People will probably think I am taking the piss when I say this but what about getting married to an American citizen? Of course you would either have to be lucky enough to meet an American girl who was willing to do it as a favour, or lucky enough to fall in love with an American girl. When I was over there on a J1 a few years back I met a really good American girl friend who agreed she would marry me for me to get citizenship if I came back. And I very well may do this in the next 2-3 years if I cannot get citizenship another way.

Fukuyama

Whatever you do don't pop over on a holiday and 'stay on'. This aint the 70s - you'll get caught and then your up **** creek.

Apply for a visa down as many routes as you can. If you have specialist skills then you've got a good chance!

Other than that you'll have to cross your fingers or just marry a pretty American

- Dean:rolleyes:

helimachoptor

dazftw wrote: »

You can still apply for the Diversity Lottery but that process if you get through can take over a year before you finally get citizenship.

Im saving over the next few years and going to try for the 90 day find a job route..

DV lottery is a green card and unless you have extenuating circumstances citezenship comes after 5+years.

I would highly doubt that if you go over on the 90 day VWP you will get a job that a company will hire you for. Firstly they will need to prove they cannot find anyone is the US to do the same job, millions of people go to the US illegally for a reason folks..

jackthekipper

Your best bet is to be employed by a multinational and get transferred, or as others suggested marriage.

Robbie444

Getting sponsored isn't always as difficult as people make it out to be. I know people who have gotten sponsored to work/live out there for things such as professional golf coaching (something any high quality golfer can do AFAIK), soccer school coaching (random young Irish football players), and working in Irish bars (some Irish bars in the US actually import their staff from Irland and will sponsor you also, for example, the Ri Ra chain). Now obviously for the sports ones you would have to be actually skilled so not anyone can just do it but these are just some examples of how some people have gotten sponsored.

Like anything in life there is a good element of luck involved. Some people just go over there and get in with the right people at the right time and opportunites present themselves. The thing I am often curious about though is when Irish people go over there and stay illegally for a couple of years, and they marry an American citizen, how do they still get to stay after it would become apparent to the authorities that that person was living illegally in the US prior to marriage? It has always been my dream to live in the US and I am determined to make this happen for myself.

Wuggectumondo

It's not easy! They know that people marry to get citizenship, so they make it very tough and it's expensive too.

macca1983

Robbie444 wrote: »

Getting sponsored isn't always as difficult as people make it out to be. I know people who have gotten sponsored to work/live out there for things such as professional golf coaching (something any high quality golfer can do AFAIK), soccer school coaching (random young Irish football players), and working in Irish bars (some Irish bars in the US actually import their staff from Irland and will sponsor you also, for example, the Ri Ra chain). Now obviously for the sports ones you would have to be actually skilled so not anyone can just do it but these are just some examples of how some people have gotten sponsored.

Like anything in life there is a good element of luck involved. Some people just go over there and get in with the right people at the right time and opportunites present themselves. The thing I am often curious about though is when Irish people go over there and stay illegally for a couple of years, and they marry an American citizen, how do they still get to stay after it would become apparent to the authorities that that person was living illegally in the US prior to marriage? It has always been my dream to live in the US and I am determined to make this happen for myself.

You are 100% correct there. I met a lot of Irish in the US this summer and none of them were particularly bright, had great skills or hard working. Tis all about a bit of luck, knowing the right people and being in the right place at the right time when an opportunity presents itself.

Robbie444

Wuggectumondo wrote: »

It's not easy! They know that people marry to get citizenship, so they make it very tough and it's expensive too.

Can you please elaborate a bit on this if you don't mind. Am very interested in finding more out about this topic.
Thanks

Black Swan

Robbie444 wrote: »

The thing I am often curious about though is when Irish people go over there and stay illegally for a couple of years, and they marry an American citizen, how do they still get to stay after it would become apparent to the authorities that that person was living illegally in the US prior to marriage? It has always been my dream to live in the US and I am determined to make this happen for myself.

It is not recommended that anyone consider entering the US illegally, for any purposes, including attempting to later seek citizenship by suspect means. Furthermore, it's against this forum's charter to recommend or otherwise suggest any form of illegal entry, or overstay, etc. I am leaving this thread open for now in hopes that posters may help the OP, but will lock and delete it if any future discussion may suggest illegal activities. Please offer helpful suggestions people, not ones that might get someone in deep trouble someday.

Robbie444

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

It is not recommended that anyone consider entering the US illegally, for any purposes, including attempting to later seek citizenship by suspect means. Furthermore, it's against this forum's charter to recommend or otherwise suggest any form of illegal entry, or overstay, etc. I am leaving this thread open for now in hopes that posters may help the OP, but will lock and delete it if any future discussion may suggest illegal activities. Please offer helpful suggestions people, not ones that might get someone in deep trouble someday.

Ok totally understand this. Just to clarify however I would never consider doing anything illegal with regards to gaining citizenship and the above query was just out of curiosity and not for my own personal reference. Will refrain from asking these types of questions on here though in the future.
cheers

silja

Having entered the USA on a spousal visa myself (after living with my US husband in Ireland for several years), what Wuggectumondo probably meant is this: the US government is aware that there is a lot of fraud when it comes to marriage to a US citizen for green card purposes. So they will require a lot of proof of bonafide marriage before approving marriage visas, such as being on eachother's insurance papers, living together (they can visit at anytime and will question neighbours too), requesting photos of the wedding and questioning if there were no family members present, asking a lot of questions at the interview about eachother etc. It is NOT easy to get such a visa/ green card. It is also, as Wuggectumondo said, expensive- expect at least 2000 dollars in visa fees, medical costs, translation of documents, getting police certs from anywhere you have lived for more than 6 months etc.

Robbie444

OP, maybe you will find this link helpful http://www.iicenter.org/
It is the Boston Immigration centre and it is a charity but they run a good programme to help with finding employers. Also check out Enterprise Ireland and Fusion intertrade Ireland. I will be looking in to all of these avenues in due course but lucky for me I will have the opportunity to get a 12 month work visa when I finish college so I will be doing this first of all and hopefully something will happen for me within the year away.
GL with it and don't give up too easy!

Manic Moran

Do you speak any of the following?

• Albanian
• Amharic
• Arabic
• Azerbaijani
• Bengali
• Burmese
• Cambodian-Khmer
• Chinese
• Czech
• Hausa
• Hindi
• Hungarian
• Igbo
• Indonesian
• Korean
• Kurdish
• Lao
• Malay
• Malayalam
• Moro
• Nepalese
• Persian [Dari & Farsi]
• Polish
• Punjabi
• Pushtu (aka Pashto)
• Russian
• Sindhi
• Sinhalese
• Somali
• Swahili
• Tamil
• Turkish
• Turkmen
• Urdu
• Yoruba

NTM

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

Do you speak any of the following?

• Albanian
• Amharic
• Arabic
• Azerbaijani
• Bengali
• Burmese
• Cambodian-Khmer
• Chinese
• Czech
• Hausa
• Hindi
• Hungarian
• Igbo
• Indonesian
• Korean
• Kurdish
• Lao
• Malay
• Malayalam
• Moro
• Nepalese
• Persian [Dari & Farsi]
• Polish
• Punjabi
• Pushtu (aka Pashto)
• Russian
• Sindhi
• Sinhalese
• Somali
• Swahili
• Tamil
• Turkish
• Turkmen
• Urdu
• Yoruba

NTM

.....Civilian translators?

Manic Moran

No, military. Aforementioned MAVNA. Still, guaranteed citizenship at the end of it, you can then find a job doing whatever you want. Plus you'd probably have Veteran's Preferance too.

NTM

Robbie444

silja wrote: »

Having entered the USA on a spousal visa myself (after living with my US husband in Ireland for several years), what Wuggectumondo probably meant is this: the US government is aware that there is a lot of fraud when it comes to marriage to a US citizen for green card purposes. So they will require a lot of proof of bonafide marriage before approving marriage visas, such as being on eachother's insurance papers, living together (they can visit at anytime and will question neighbours too), requesting photos of the wedding and questioning if there were no family members present, asking a lot of questions at the interview about eachother etc. It is NOT easy to get such a visa/ green card. It is also, as Wuggectumondo said, expensive- expect at least 2000 dollars in visa fees, medical costs, translation of documents, getting police certs from anywhere you have lived for more than 6 months etc.

Hey, thanks for the useful advice. What about situations where a non citizen marries an American citizen in legitimate circumstances, i.e, to be together? I mean say for people who meet american citizens and fall in love and want to get married, does this still prove to be very difficult with the amount of people marrying just for citizenship? So no matter what would getting married to an american citizen prove to be a lot of trouble initially and does this die down once they can see that the couple is legitimate?
Sorry hope this made some sense.

silja

Well, the fraud makes it more difficult for everyone- extensive background checks means it can take 6-8 months or more until a visa is issued, unless at the time of applying for the visa, you both live together abroad (such as my husband and I living in Ireland), because then the embassy handles everything. Took us just over 6 weeks to get the visa.

Once they can see you are legitimate though, the main thing you have to worry about is the affidavit of support- basically, the US citizen spouse (or fiance, if you are going for a visa which will allow you to have the wedding in the USA) has to proove that the foreign partner will not become a financial liability to the US government. For this, you need to make a certain US based income (currently about 19'000 dollars a year if it is just the two of you- more if there are kids), or have significant assets.

Robbie444

silja wrote: »

Well, the fraud makes it more difficult for everyone- extensive background checks means it can take 6-8 months or more until a visa is issued, unless at the time of applying for the visa, you both live together abroad (such as my husband and I living in Ireland)

So would the non citizen in the marriage have to leave the country while waiting for citizenship to be granted or could he/she stay in the US until a visa is issued despite the fact that they may be over their holiday stay entitlements? I once heard a story about an Irish guy who has a family in the US but has to travel home every 3 months to re enter as he cannot get citizenship (wife is also a non citizen but had her children in the states so was granted citizenship). Sounds crazy that someone would have to fly back and forth every 3 months. There are so many different myths concerning citizenship to the US. I know things have changed dramatically however in recent years so there are probably less and less of these 'loop holes' these days. It just intrigues me as a person who has always wanted to live in the states. Again I am NOT looking for any illegal or fraud ways of getting citizenship but it just seems that there is more to it than meets the eye and that there are certain strings that can be pulled in some cases.

silja

I think you are mixing up citizenship with a visa green card here. You cannot apply for citizenship right away; you apply for a visa to enter the USA, which will lead to greencard when you enter or within a few months/ years afterwards depending on the visa. Citizenship follows later (3 years after greencard if married to a US citizen, 5 years otherwise).

Visas are for people to enter the USA, not to remain there so yeah for a visa to be granted the person would need to leave after the 90 days of the Visa Waiver is gone, but they could come back and visit again on the waiver while the visa is in proccess (you cannot work until the visa is received, but could look for work while visiting- however, few employers will hire you without knowing exactly when you can start!). Many people do that, and it is generally no problem to visit, just bring proof that you intend to return to Ireland every time yo visit, otherwise they may turn you back at the border. Good proof is your visa application paperwork, rental agreement to your home (or mortgage papers if you own), letter from employer saying when you'll be back, proof of Irish bank account and similar.

The story of your friend with the non-US wife who has kids in the USA sounds strange. While children born in the USA automatically have US citizenship, the parents cannot stay or get US citizenship based on that- they would need to wait until the child turns 21, and can then petition for the parents to get a visa. If your friend's wife was legal in the USA- as a greencard holder or US citizen- she can petition for her husband to get a visa, though it would take while as I mentioned in an earlier post, so maybe that is what the story is refering to.