Left 4 Dead 2 Launch

Sandvich · 22-11-2009 5:37pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

We already know that Valve intend to continue supporting L4D1 even though L4D2 is now released . . .

L4D1 will more than likely receive at least one more DLC pack in my view. Oh and by the way . . . are people forgetting that L4D 1 has already received two free DLC updates?

Did you even read the thread?

An immense amount of new content was promised that got turned into L4D2 instead of being released as "free" DLC. We don't "Know" Valve intend to support L4D1 since quite frankly they're lying eejits.

It doesn't matter how much of a good update L4D2 is. They still sold the original based on lies.

Seifer · 22-11-2009 5:46pm

Sandvich wrote: »

They still sold the original based on lies.

They didn't though. As I asked and you conveniently ignored, how many sales do you think were related to any promises the developers made about content before release? Keeping in mind only a tiny percentage of gamers would view such interviews and an even smaller percentage would have had their decision to buy the game affected by it.

Stev_o · 22-11-2009 6:05pm

Tbh L4D2 just makes the original look like a tech demo, it's what L4D should of been.

5uspect · 22-11-2009 6:11pm

Stev_o wrote: »

Tbh L4D2 just makes the original look like a tech demo, it's what L4D should of been.

You could say the same for Assassin's Creed II.

Stev_o · 22-11-2009 6:32pm

5uspect wrote: »

You could say the same for Assassin's Creed II.

But i was never expecting UbiSoft to make a decent game so meh.

Sierra Oscar · 22-11-2009 6:36pm

Sandvich wrote: »

Did you even read the thread?

An immense amount of new content was promised that got turned into L4D2 instead of being released as "free" DLC. We don't "Know" Valve intend to support L4D1 since quite frankly they're lying eejits.

It doesn't matter how much of a good update L4D2 is. They still sold the original based on lies.

No promises were ever made - we were told that L4D would receive DLC updates after release, and it has with a great chance that it will receive further updates down the line. The content of the updates was never set it stone prior to the game being released. I wasnt too impressed when L4D2 was announced - but lets just get a little bit real here. Valve never promised that a L4D2 would not be developed.

On a more light hearted note, has anyone seen the little app that scans for those members of the L4D2 Steam Community boycott group that have actually purchased L4D2? It makes for very interesting results . . . .

Stev_o · 22-11-2009 6:43pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

On a more light hearted note, has anyone seen the little app that scans for those members of the L4D2 Steam Community boycott group that have actually purchased L4D2? It makes for very interesting results . . . .

Id imagine it's the same as those who boycotted MW2

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Fnz · 22-11-2009 7:48pm

Seifer wrote: »

Neither I think. If you want a specific difficulty then use the lobby / game finder.

Seems like it's basic info that should be included (as it was in the first game).

I'd like to be able to see how many people are currently in the game I'm about to join... along with what stage in the campaign they are at. Knowing the server's ping is nice as well (don't particularly want to hack myself a low ping workaround).

Overheal · 22-11-2009 9:33pm

If I could raise a technical topic: wtf is with Heavy Rain? Im not talking about the Stage recycling or anything im talking about the Rain. You need to have the Shader to Max and the only way Im able to do that is if I lower the resolution to a minimum. If you dont you hear a bunch of rain noises but no rain, and no fog. Talk about a buzzkill.

It bothered me about the Film Grain setting too - Surely both of these (weather and grain) should have been handled by the Effects value in the Video settings, which I have no problem maxing out (and Weather in TF2 runs just fine on hi res)

As for lag: first Saturday night since the game launched. wtf did you expect?

Retr0gamer · 23-11-2009 12:14am

I was wondering what the fuss about Hard Rain is was as well. It looks fairly basic on my crappy PC. Suppose this is another reminder to me that I need to upgrade and that I haven't the money to do it.

leninbenjamin · 23-11-2009 12:23am

Overheal wrote: »

If I could raise a technical topic: wtf is with Heavy Rain? Im not talking about the Stage recycling or anything im talking about the Rain. You need to have the Shader to Max and the only way Im able to do that is if I lower the resolution to a minimum. If you dont you hear a bunch of rain noises but no rain, and no fog. Talk about a buzzkill.

It's purely a post processing effect afaik. It represents an additional pass on the GPU so you either have the capacity to run it or you don't.

It bothered me about the Film Grain setting too - Surely both of these (weather and grain) should have been handled by the Effects value in the Video settings, which I have no problem maxing out (and Weather in TF2 runs just fine on hi res)

If you can't max them out as they are now, then you wouldn't be able to max them out if they were lumped in as effects.

Also, TF2 is a much much lighter game in terms of resources. The main component of that is the

Overheal · 23-11-2009 1:23am

Whatever the actual reason is, its completely foolhardy to embed the weather effects in a high end setting, especially when those particular weather effects are meant to be central to half that entire campaign. It should be included as some default or minimum setting not part of the shader program, which with or without rain and grain already eats up a lot of my resources. Youre pretty much ensuring half the people that play Hard Rain never see any actual rain.

Overheal · 23-11-2009 5:31am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=croJ3c65OD0

0ubliette · 23-11-2009 12:38pm

Im quite liking L4D2 but tbh, i still prefer 1. It jsut had the whole freshness to it that 2 doesnt have. It also had better characters, and a better atmosphere on the whole. Also, it could be just that the 360 version looks crap compared to the PC (l4d1 on max settings looks 10 times better than l4d2 on 360) but the charger attacks and jockey attacks look like they use about 1 frame of animation, its all looks so fast and just, ****.

OK-Cancel-Apply · 23-11-2009 12:46pm

I have some performance issues when I play online. Framerate drops quite a bit but picks up rapidly, in much the same way Tomb Raider Anniversary did before they patched it. Let's hope they fix this soon.

Oh and there's a serious bug which causes the player to get stuck up against a piece of the environment when a Charger has pushed them there. Very annoying. I had to set off a pipe bomb to blow myself free in one instance.

Thornography · 23-11-2009 1:25pm

gona spend all xmas playing this like i did last year playing the first one

not going to bed for days finishing all the campaigns on expert, best xmas ever for gaming tbh

Fnz · 24-11-2009 4:40am

Desert rifle seems.... overpowered.

Jumpy · 24-11-2009 10:26am

Fnz wrote: »

Desert rifle seems.... overpowered.

I assume you exploded some gas tanks.

L31mr0d · 24-11-2009 2:36pm

Jumpy wrote: »

I assume you exploded some gas tanks.

Or had explosive ammo.

humanji · 24-11-2009 11:09pm

Or maybe he just kicks ass!

ProjectColossus · 24-11-2009 11:41pm

The stats have been going bonkers for the last few days, mine have been reset about 3 times, and at the moment my stats say I've played 1 game and survived 2 finales (200%).

A real pain tbh, wish Valve would sort it out.

Seifer · 25-11-2009 12:01am

ProjectColossus wrote: »

The stats have been going bonkers for the last few days, mine have been reset about 3 times, and at the moment my stats say I've played 1 game and survived 2 finales (200%).

A real pain tbh, wish Valve would sort it out.

Yeah, it's ridiculous that they haven't even acknowledged it yet.

Overheal · 25-11-2009 12:02am

Seifer wrote: »

Yeah, it's ridiculous that they haven't even acknowledged it yet.

When do they ever in fairness.

Never. Unless they fix it... or enough whiney n00bs crash the Message Board server

monkeypants · 25-11-2009 12:07am

I missed the original when it came out. Was it a great game and still worth taking a look at?

Stercus Accidit · 25-11-2009 1:01am

monkeypants wrote: »

I missed the original when it came out. Was it a great game and still worth taking a look at?

I'm gonna buy the original myself, look up versus gameplay on youtube, it looks animal.

Sierra Oscar · 25-11-2009 2:04am

monkeypants wrote: »

I missed the original when it came out. Was it a great game and still worth taking a look at?

Id say so myself. There will probably be some good deals on L4D1 coming up to the Christmas holidays.

Fnz · 25-11-2009 5:12am

Jumpy wrote: »

I assume you exploded some gas tanks.

L31mr0d wrote: »

Or had explosive ammo.

Project Colossus is right; the stats are just weird and not something to be bothered with. I had definitely fired more than 15 rounds with the desert rifle.

The first game was a bit wonky too. Along with having the one achievement I gave a damn about, reset on me, I also got the Zombie Genocidest achievement for killing 53,595 infected. Stats claim I've killed but 40K infected. Whatever. So long as I'm not pegged as an undead sympathiser, I'll be happy.

5uspect · 25-11-2009 9:57am

Fnz wrote: »

Project Colossus is right; the stats are just weird and not something to be bothered with. I had definitely fired more than 15 rounds with the desert rifle.

The first game was a bit wonky too. Along with having the one achievement I gave a damn about, reset on me, I also got the Zombie Genocidest achievement for killing 53,595 infected. Stats claim I've killed but 40K infected. Whatever. So long as I'm not pegged as an undead sympathiser, I'll be happy.

Undead sympathiser!!!

in other news I've reinstalled steam and fixed my crashes!

Fnz · 25-11-2009 11:02am

5uspect wrote: »

Undead sympathiser!!!

BAH! Damn you Steam - I need those stats... STAT!!!

monkeypants · 25-11-2009 4:01pm

The original, game of the year edition is here - to your door for less than 20 yoyos.

Left 4 Dead 2 Launch

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