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19-11-2009 9:59pm

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Breaking news on sky.

Belgian PM Herman Van Rompuy (spelling?) chosen as first EU president, or whatever the correct title is.

Can't wait to see the mail, they'll be apoplectic a Johnny foreigner got the job.

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#2 19-11-2009 10:06pm
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dresden8 wrote: »

Breaking news on sky.

Belgian PM Herman Van Rompuy (spelling?) chosen as first EU president, or whatever the correct title is.

President of the European Council...

cordially,
Scofflaw

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#3 19-11-2009 10:16pm
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I don't usually post this on here but Who? I'm referring specifically to the Foreign Affairs position, a complete unknown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8367589.stm

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#4 19-11-2009 10:28pm
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... as predicted last week (via MEP David Martin) on boards.ie.

Aidric wrote: »

I don't usually post this on here but Who? I'm referring specifically to the Foreign Affairs position, a complete unknown.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8367589.stm

That's a pretty darned odd appointment. She's been commissioner for trade and has zero foreign affairs experience. My instincts scream "valued mouthpiece".

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#5 19-11-2009 10:45pm
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That's great, at least that the war monger Blair did not get even a sniff at it and the likes of the has been Brown insisting that he be given the presidency (as if the EU or the world can or could afford any more from him), only backing down at the last minute. Poor conceited Blair nobody loves him, he will have plenty of time now to reflect on his past deeds.

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#6 20-11-2009 12:56am
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and still people will be able to play the "name the famous Belgian politician" game.

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#7 20-11-2009 12:57am
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Mr.Micro wrote: »

That's great, at least that the war monger Blair did not get even a sniff at it and the likes of the has been Brown insisting that he be given the presidency (as if the EU or the world can or could afford any more from him), only backing down at the last minute. Poor conceited Blair nobody loves him, he will have plenty of time now to reflect on his past deeds.

Is he not still our honest broker in the middle east?

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#8 20-11-2009 1:28am
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Public service announcement: it's pronounced as a cross between "van ROM-pay" and "van ROM-poy".

Not "van ROM-poo-ee".

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#9 20-11-2009 1:36am
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Aard wrote: »

Public service announcement: it's pronounced as a cross between "van ROM-pay" and "van ROM-poy".

Not "van ROM-poo-ee".

So...we can't call him "Van Rumpy" then?

apologies,
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#10 20-11-2009 3:37am
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Aard wrote: »

Public service announcement: it's pronounced as a cross between "van ROM-pay" and "van ROM-poy".

Not "van ROM-poo-ee".

This is as bad as soccer pundits calling Arsenal's Arshavin, "Arshaavin", when we all know it's pronounced as "Arse shaving" / "Arse Haven".

Either way, thank God that Blair never made the running, despite being the bookie's 2nd favourite up until yesterday.

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#11 20-11-2009 10:50am
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this quote from brian cowan made me laugh (on the foreign affairs appointment

Mr Cowen described Ms Ashton as an effective trade commissioner. “I know the Tánaiste thinks highly of her. She has worked well especially on bilateral trade issues.”
ROFL

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1120/1224259179665.html

bet she doesnt realise what we think of that as a recommendation over here

My weather
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#12 20-11-2009 11:27am
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Whatever about Blairs legacy at least if he was on the line Moscow, Bejing and Washington DC would know who the hell they were talking to!

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#13 20-11-2009 11:39am
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Belgian Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy believes separate national emblems should be scrapped in a drive to create a new Euro identity.
He also supports a huge extension of EU influence over town halls, schools and sports, and he wants “green taxes” to be imposed across all 27 member

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140803/EU-threat-to-the-Union-Jack-and-national-anthem

He can get the boat.:mad:

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#14 20-11-2009 11:50am
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PaulieD wrote: »

Belgian Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy believes separate national emblems should be scrapped in a drive to create a new Euro identity.
He also supports a huge extension of EU influence over town halls, schools and sports, and he wants “green taxes” to be imposed across all 27 member

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140803/EU-threat-to-the-Union-Jack-and-national-anthem

He can get the boat.:mad:

I'll take that well considered article and raise it a misquote.

"He isn’t going to step on anyone’s toes or try to dominate the world like Tony Blair or President Sarkozy might have."

-- Pieter Van Cleppe; of beloved (and rational) thinktank Open Europe

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#15 20-11-2009 12:20pm
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So no Blair eh

makes me feel warm and fuzzy when British tabloid trash and their equally trashy followers get proven wrong again

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#16 20-11-2009 12:25pm
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Turkey are going to find it a tad more difficult to get in the EU.

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#17 20-11-2009 12:26pm
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meditraitor wrote: »

Turkey are going to find it a tad more difficult to get in the EU.

Be thankful for small mercies.

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#18 20-11-2009 12:29pm
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Who is this ashton woman, never been elected for anything?

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#19 20-11-2009 12:31pm
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dresden8 wrote: »

Breaking news on sky.

Belgian PM Herman Van Rompuy (spelling?) chosen as first EU president, or whatever the correct title is.

Can't wait to see the mail, they'll be apoplectic a Johnny foreigner got the job.

Yes The First EU President, what next now for the EU, complete control over member states, filter out democracy. Looking at them all cuddled up yesterday , it looked like some sort of superpower state.

whats more worrying is that nearly all of the Media in this country are Pro everything european.

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#20 20-11-2009 12:41pm
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ro09 wrote: »

Yes The First EU President, what next now for the EU, complete control over member states, filter out democracy. Looking at them all cuddled up yesterday , it looked like some sort of superpower state.

whats more worrying is that nearly all of the Media in this country are Pro everything european.

Thats quite a jump, the EU appoints someone to the Presidency of the Council and all of a sudden we have lost our democracy, maybe you need to sit down and take a few breaths young man.

There are plenty of anti EU media outlets in Ireland, that crazy christian "alive" is as anti as it gets.

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#21 20-11-2009 12:43pm
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ei.sdraob wrote: »

So no Blair eh

makes me feel warm and fuzzy when British tabloid trash and their equally trashy followers get proven wrong again

The little Irelanders will still find a way of being terribly offended by it. After all, an "EU President" can't promise to fix the potholes, can they?

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#22 20-11-2009 12:49pm
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Robbo wrote: »

The little Irelanders will still find a way of being terribly offended by it. After all, an "EU President" can't promise to fix the potholes, can they?

Who are the "little Irelanders?"

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#23 20-11-2009 12:51pm
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Robbo wrote: »

After all, an "EU President" can't promise to fix the potholes, can they?

If I was them I would ask what we did with the 3.3 billion they granted the ndp between 2000 and 2007....

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#24 20-11-2009 1:09pm
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ei.sdraob wrote: »

So no Blair eh

makes me feel warm and fuzzy when British tabloid trash and their equally trashy followers get proven wrong again

Shows what you know eh?

Daily Mail editorial comment

And Again

Daily Express views

The Sun

Just a few examples of UK tabloid thinking

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#25 20-11-2009 1:32pm
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PaulieD wrote: »

Who are the "little Irelanders?"

Irish versions of "Little Englanders". Recognisable because they parrot the opinions of the Daily Torygraph, Express, Mail etc. These, they believe, operate entirely with the best interests of Ireland at heart, whereas anyone attempting to view the EU from an Irish perspective who honestly tries to figure out what is in our best interest is derided by them as being a puppet of Brussels for doing so. Politically speaking, they are people who in normal circumstances spend their time outside howling through the keyhole.

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#26 20-11-2009 2:28pm
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ro09 wrote: »

Yes The First EU President, what next now for the EU, complete control over member states, filter out democracy. Looking at them all cuddled up yesterday , it looked like some sort of superpower state.

whats more worrying is that nearly all of the Media in this country are Pro everything european.

You know it gets tiring pointing out that this is the President of the European Council and it's has no real powers. No more than a chairpersons role which is reflected in the man chosen for the job.

And imagine the EU leaders want to get along and have consensus, the horror of it all.

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#27 20-11-2009 3:57pm
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Scofflaw wrote: »

So...we can't call him "Van Rumpy" then?

apologies,
Scofflaw

He prefers Rumpole of the Bailey.

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meditraitor wrote: »

Turkey are going to find it a tad more difficult to get in the EU.

Aside from the fact that it is not likely to become a possibility within his term of office, even if he goes on to serves a double 5 year term. Since he has no executive powers or voting rights, he doesn't really get a say in the matter one way or another.

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The appointment of Ashton has rightly been treated with the disdain it deserves. Further evidence of the moral decline within the halls of the European machine.

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#30 23-11-2009 11:47pm
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Nigel Farage wrote: »

The appointment of Ashton has rightly been treated with the disdain it deserves. Further evidence of the moral decline within the halls of the European machine.

thanks for winning the lisbon referendum for us Nigel.

couldnt have done it without you.

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meglome wrote: »

You know it gets tiring pointing out that this is the President of the European Council and it has no real powers. No more than a chairpersons role which is reflected in the man chosen for the job

Where exactly does it say in the Treaty of Lisbon that the POTEU (as called by the politicians at EU level) has "no real powers"...? There are no limits put on that new position by that treaty; that's why Barroso suddenly got worried, after bleating for a "strong presidency", because he suddenly came to realise what he'd lose.

If anything's "tiresome", it's reading the repeated "pointing out" of a fallacy that lacks proof. (With all due respect, that is.)

And imagine the EU leaders want to get along and have consensus, the horror of it all

You'd better be worried when there's consensus at the top. That bides ill for the people at the bottom, and has indeed led to horrors.

marco_polo wrote: »

Since he has no executive powers or voting rights

With all due respect, where does it say that in the treaty?

The only "shall not" related to the European Council (and presumably its "President") is that "(i)t shall not exercise legislative functions". Nothing about no executive powers. Absence of a mention does not imply a limit.

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