Dunne Vs Monroe

walshb

kevinhug wrote: »

Yes, but the guy needs to get back in the game mentally. Walsh you have said a few times you don't think Dunne will have it mentally anymore, all the more reason to have a break. He has been boxing for 20years and said the longest break he ever had was after the kiko fight. Your boxing skills don't leave you as quickly as you think, especially when your in your prime.

He had 2 brutal fights in the space of 6months, so a break is definately needed. Ideally he should of had a warm up fight before facing PK, but he was forced into the fight, way too early for me.

It seems he hasn't made up his mind, I am just assuming it is simply because he hasn't got the hunger back yet, I say he will get it in the back new year

Mentally, boxing is a very tough game. The two brutal losses Dunne has suffered AND the punishment he took vs. Cordoba will have a lasting affect on Dunne, BUT, if he wants to return, he cannot afford to wait too long.

Personally I would advise Dunne to retire. He takes a bit much, and seems to react badly to shots. I didn't like the look of him one bit vs. PK, and vs. Cordoba, Dunne took a lot of punishment.

Now, if he carries on, then he has to get back sooner rather than later. He is 30 in two months, and the longer he leaves it, the harder it becomes, both mentally and physically.

BTW, dos anyone want to see him back and possibly lose to the "useless" Munroe?

Because, this is a definite possibility.

Regarding PK, warm up fight or not, he was never going to beat a PK.

If I was in the know, I would never have put him in vs PK, he deserved a few easy defences, easy money.
Mandatory or not, I am sure his team could have wriggled out of it.
Warren seems to do.

alanceltic

megadodge wrote: »

BTW Alanceltic, you're very wrong on the supplements issue. In the same interviews they're always asked what ones they take and I reckon 90%+ take supplements of some sort.

if you read back my post, I said if you were to poll all of the pro boxers in THIS country I would suspect that the majority are not taking any supplements. As always us paddies are usually very slow when it comes to advances of any kind in sport.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Mentally, boxing is a very tough game. The two brutal losses Dunne has suffered AND the punishment he took vs. Cordoba will have a lasting affect on Dunne, BUT, if he wants to return, he cannot afford to wait too long.

Personally I would advise Dunne to retire. He takes a bit much, and seems to react badly to shots. I didn't like the look of him one bit vs. PK, and vs. Cordoba, Dunne took a lot of punishment.

Now, if he carries on, then he has to get back sooner rather than later. He is 30 in two months, and the longer he leaves it, the harder it becomes, both mentally and physically.

BTW, dos anyone want to see him back and possibly lose to the "useless" Munroe?

Because, this is a definite possibility.

Regarding PK, warm up fight or not, he was never going to beat a PK.

If I was in the know, I would never have put him in vs PK, he deserved a few easy defences, easy money.
Mandatory or not, I am sure his team could have wriggled out of it.
Warren seems to do.

There is always a possibility that any fighter can lose to someone with less talent than them, it happens all the time for many different reasons. If Dunne were to lose to Munroe he would have to be completely shot and off his game entirely or Munroe would have to improve greatly from now until the time they fight because going on previous performances Munroe does not have the game to beat an on form Dunne.
Just as a matter of interest WalshB, where do you stand with regards to Jamie Moore? Do you think he should retire? He was ko'd by the average puncher Ryan Rhodes, took a fair bit of punishment from Macklin and has been stopped twice before the Rhodes fight.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

There is always a possibility that any fighter can lose to someone with less talent than them, it happens all the time for many different reasons. If Dunne were to lose to Munroe he would have to be completely shot and off his game entirely or Munroe would have to improve greatly from now until the time they fight because going on previous performances Munroe does not have the game to beat an on form Dunne.
Just as a matter of interest WalshB, where do you stand with regards to Jamie Moore? Do you think he should retire? He was ko'd by the average puncher Ryan Rhodes, took a fair bit of punishment from Macklin and has been stopped twice before the Rhodes fight.

Moore is irrelevant to the topic. I haven't followed him or seen much of him.
From what I have heard and seen, he takes too much, just like Duddy.
Boxing is littered with men taking unnecessary shots for little reward

Simple; Any fighter who is taking shots and being badly affected by them needs to really think hard about their future. I love boxing, but I do not like to see men taking shots when they are really suffering from the shots.

Bernard, like others, is taking shots and being badly affected by them. There is only so much a guy can take. Dunne's defence is just not great, he does take too much. If the sight of Dunne in the Cordoba match and the loss to PK didn't get folks worried, then
they must really have strong stomachs, or feel little sympathy.

People may argue that because his chin is weak, he doesn't stay in there long when hit heavy, okay, but one must still wonder what damage the head shots are doing, especially when they are rendering him unconscious.

On the surface, it's probably better to be knocked out by a few heavy bombs, as opposed to being beat down by many bombs, but both scenarios IMO need a man to think hard about their future.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Moore is irrelevant to the topic. I haven't followed him or seen much of him.
From what I have heard and seen, he takes too much, just like Duddy.
Boxing is littered with men taking unnecessary shots for little reward

Simple; Any fighter who is taking shots and being badly affected by them needs to really think hard about their future. I love boxing, but I do not like to see men taking shots when they are really suffering from the shots.

Bernard, like others, is taking shots and being badly affected by them. There is only so much a guy can take. Dunne's defence is just not great, he does take too much. If the sight of Dunne in the Cordoba match and the loss to PK didn't get folks worried, then
they must really have strong stomachs, or feel little sympathy.

People may argue that because his chin is weak, he doesn't stay in there long when hit heavy, okay, but one must still wonder what damage the head shots are doing, especially when they are rendering him unconscious.

On the surface, it's probably better to be knocked out by a few heavy bombs, as opposed to being beat down by many bombs, but both scenarios IMO need a man to think hard about their future.

But that's boxing! It's funny you mention Duddy because he has taken more head shots in two or three fights than Dunne has in his whole career, just because he does not go down from them does not make them any less harmful or mean that they are doing any less damage yet I don't hear anyone crying out for his retirement.

We are talking about a fight with Rendall Munroe here anyway, if there was ever a low risk of Dunne being stopped this fight would be it. Munroe is feather fisted so if it really has got to the point where Dunne cannot hang with someone with little power and average boxing skills, then he really should retire.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

But that's boxing! It's funny you mention Duddy because he has taken more head shots in two or three fights than Dunne has in his whole career, just because he does not go down from them does not make them any less harmful or mean that they are doing any less damage yet I don't hear anyone crying out for his retirement.

We are talking about a fight with Rendall Munroe here anyway, if there was ever a low risk of Dunne being stopped this fight would be it. Munroe is feather fisted so if it really has got to the point where Dunne cannot hang with someone with little power and average boxing skills, then he really should retire.

Who is crying out for anyones retirement? I simply think that Bernard needs to think long and hard. I mentioned Duddy, and he TOO should think long and hard.

Duddy takes more, but Dunne reacts a lot worse from the shots and hurts more from them.

Now, in the long run, maybe Duddy will be worse off, but Dunne's reaction
and ability to take shots is a cause for serious concern.

Munroe doesn't bang hard, but Dunne doesn't take a good shot. If Munroe lands clean, flush and often, this may be very harmful. You don't need to be Lopez to KO or HURT Dunne. That is really what is worrying. His last KO loss was hard to watch. I think t would be wise for Dunne to get
out while he can, and while he is still in good health. He has a family.

If Amir Khan was to again get badly KOd, and again after that, I would say the same thing to him, and he
is only 23. Boxing is important, but it's not the be all and end all.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Who is crying out for anyones retirement? I simply think that Bernard needs to think long and hard. I mentioned Duddy, and he TOO should think long and hard.

Duddy takes more, but Dunne reacts a lot worse from the shots and hurts more from them.

Now, in the long run, maybe Duddy will be worse off, but Dunne's reaction
and ability to take shots is a cause for serious concern.

Munroe doesn't bang hard, but Dunne doesn't take a good shot. If Munroe lands clean, flush and often, this may be very harmful. You don't need to be Lopez to KO or HURT Dunne. That is really what is worrying. His last KO loss was hard to watch.

That's a very big IF Munroe can barely do this to C level boxers how the hell is he going to do it against Dunne who has more boxing ability than Munroe's last 3 opponents combined?

jungleboy

I would have to agree with Walshb, it going to be very tough for dunne now, he has no chin and no power, put this together at top fligh boxing and just won't get far.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

That's a very big IF Munroe can barely do this to C level boxers how the hell is he going to do it against Dunne who has more boxing ability than Munroe's last 3 opponents combined?

Well, look deeper and you will see that Kiko has never been KOd, has a decent chin, and the other two I don't believe were ever stopped.

This is my point. Those lads stood up to the shots, this doesn't mean Dunne will

Bernard may be a better boxer, though Kiko would argue that one, but what happens when Dunne gets hit clean, flush and often?

But, time will tell. It's not a gimme' for Dunne. Anyone who thinks it is is being far too
confident here.

BDF

jungleboy wrote: »

I would have to agree with Walshb, it going to be very tough for dunne now, he has no chin and no power, put this together at top fligh boxing and just won't get far.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about :rolleyes: Granted the man does not take a shot well but he has no power? How do you work that one out?

walshb

BDF wrote: »

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about :rolleyes: Granted the man does not take a shot well but he has no power? How do you work that one out?

C'mon, read between the lines. Everyone has a certain amount of power; I think what he means is that his power isn't potent, known or really spoken about or respected. He can punch, but it wouldn't be close to special. Exact same with Wayne McClullough, never known for his punch

Would you say that to someone if they maintained that Pea Whitaker had no power?

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Well, look deeper and you will see that Kiko has never been KOd, has a decent chin, and the other two I don't believe were ever stopped.

This is my point. Those lads stood up to the shots, this doesn't mean Dunne will

Bernard may be a better boxer, though Kiko would argue that one, but what happens when Dunne gets hit clean, flush and often?

But, time will tell. It's not a gimme' for Dunne. Anyone who thinks it is is being far too
confident here.

Munroe has 5 genuine knockouts in 20 fights, now unless all his opposition have been granite chinned beasts I think we can assume that his power is average at best. Anyway Munroe does not have the skill to land on Dunne flush, clean and often.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

Munroe has 5 genuine knockouts in 20 fights, now unless all his opposition have been granite chinned beasts I think we can assume that his power is average at best. Anyway Munroe does not have the skill to land on Dunne flush, clean and often.

I never said Munroe had a great punch. I said Dunne's punch resistance is poor and that
it didn't take a great puncher to hurt or trouble Dunne.

Now, you are saying that Dunne will barely get hit? I don't now what Dunne you are watching, but he does get hit, and often and reacts bad. His defence is not his strong point.

Dunne will land on Munroe, but I think it's a little naive to think that
Munroe will not land on Dunne. The question is whether at this stage
Dunne will take them well, and still be there firing back.

jungleboy

Guys we need to stop saying "if Dunne boxes smart" the fact is that he never boxes smart, there is no doubting that he is very talented boxer but he get sucked in all the time!

Even if Floyd Mayweather fought like dunne he would get beaten !!!

BDF

walshb wrote: »

C'mon, read between the lines. Everyone has a certain amount of power; I think what he means is that his power isn't potent, known or really spoken about or respected. He can punch, but it wouldn't be close to special. Exact same with Wayne McClullough, never known for his punch

Would you say that to someone if they maintained that Pea Whitaker had no power?

Cordoba (among others) damn sure respects Dunne's power :cool:

walshb

jungleboy wrote: »

Even if Floyd Mayweather fought like dunne he would get beaten !!!

That's a little silly don't you think?

Dunne got beaten because his chin couldn't take the shots. Floyd would have to have Dunne's chin. Does he? I think Floyd has a solid enough chin.

Getting sucked into a scrap is still winnable, if you can take the pace and the punches.
That's the key. Many fighters get sucked into scraps and still emerge victorious.

jungleboy

Floyd has a soild enough chin but he is clever enough not to allow to get it tested to often, he new hatten could be big trouble if he got in to a scrap with him so he just did not get involved.

My point is that Dunne may have a good plan going into the ring but never sticks to it even with cordoba he done this

walshb

BDF wrote: »

Cordoba (among others) damn sure respects Dunne's power :cool:

And all the other KO victims. Many men have KO victims on their resume, but that doesn't mean that they are great hitters. Munroe has KO victims, does that mean he is a good puncher? Look at the Cordoba fight, it was accumulation and fatigue, as Dunne himself said.

Wayne had KO victims, does it mean Wayne was a good hitter. Power is not something one associates with Dunne. It never has been. It's part of his weakness.

walshb

jungleboy wrote: »

Floyd has a soild enough chin but he is clever enough not to allow to get it tested to often, he new hatten could be big trouble if he got in to a scrap with him so he just did not get involved.

My point is that Dunne may have a good plan going into the ring but never sticks to it even with cordoba he done this

Floyd for the most part doesn't take the shots, I agree, but he has been in the trenches and has taken solid shots very well. That's my point! Dunne doesn't take solid shots well at all.

Look at Dunne's two losses, plan or not, he got hit and didn't take the shots.
He tried to box PK, but PK set a pace and Dunne couldn't evade him.
Kiko caught him, plain and simple.

He's not Floyd or Pea. He hasn't the slick and evasive skills to do this. Dunne cannot fight
in the pocket like these guys, and even in the pocket, when they do take a good shot, they take
it well.

jungleboy

Magpie87 wrote: »

Well that's what he said in the interview. I wouldn't argue the cast that he would beat PK because he wouldn't but I think he is in a level below PK but still above Munroe.

If Dunne boxes smart I think he is a quicker and better boxer than Munroe who is slower and leaves himself open at least as much as Dunne does defensively.

BDF wrote: »

Cordoba (among others) damn sure respects Dunne's power :cool:

I don't think that cordoba would be that concerned about dunnes power, infoact i would say that if they had a re match dunne would get beaten. Can see this happening though as it would not be good for either fighter.

Jaysoose

jungleboy wrote: »

I would have to agree with Walshb, it going to be very tough for dunne now, he has no chin and no power, put this together at top fligh boxing and just won't get far.

Yeah its not like he will ever win a world title/.....oh wait he has....didnt he?

jungleboy

Jaysoose wrote: »

Yeah its not like he will ever win a world title/.....oh wait he has....didnt he?

I think you will find he has also lost that title, and anyone that knows anything about boxing knows that the fight could of gone either way, dunne was at his best that night and would find it very tought to beat cordoba again.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

And all the other KO victims. Many men have KO victims on their resume, but that doesn't mean that they are great hitters. Munroe has KO victims, does that mean he is a good puncher? Look at the Cordoba fight, it was accumulation and fatigue, as Dunne himself said.

Wayne had KO victims, does it mean Wayne was a good hitter. Power is not something one associates with Dunne. It never has been. It's part of his weakness.

Dunne has above average power and more importantly, he is a very accurate and sharp puncher. Rewatch Dunne V Cordoba and you will see exactly why Cordoba "fatigued". Dunne was nailing him with hard, hurtful, accurate shots from round 3 onwards. I'm not saying Dunne is a ko artist but the boy has power.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

Dunne has above average power and more importantly, he is a very accurate and sharp puncher. Rewatch Dunne V Cordoba and you will see exactly why Cordoba "fatigued". Dunne was nailing him with hard, hurtful, accurate shots from round 3 onwards. I'm not saying Dunne is a ko artist but the boy has power.

That is why In said accumulation. Look, if it takes 11 rds of hitting someone for them to finally tire and drop, I think it is fairly logical to assume that the hitter doesn't have good-great power. I will say average. I can't go above that, considering his previous bouts where he usually had to go the full route. Look at Ricardo, his expression was one of complete exhaustion. Dunne said this too.

Like I said, everyone has power, but on a scale of 1-10, Lopez being a ten, Dunne is a 6...

Jaysoose

jungleboy wrote: »

I think you will find he has also lost that title, and anyone that knows anything about boxing knows that the fight could of gone either way, dunne was at his best that night and would find it very tought to beat cordoba again.

So what if he lost the title, he still won it in the first place against one of the top men in the division. What does 'anyone that knows boxing knows the fight could have gone either way' mean? you could also say 'if your granny had balls she would be your granda'. Dunne won the fight on the night and to say he would find it tough to beat cordoba again is like saying the sky is blue.

At least he is fighting the best guys out there instead of entertaining a handful of people in leisure centres fighting average competition on friday fight night.

I dont think anybody is claiming dunne will be the undisputed champion again but for you to say that he will not get anywhere at this level is nonsense as he has held a world title wether some people like or not and if he is so fragile etc is he not to be commended for overachieiving at the very least.

And for what its worth i think dunne will wipe the floor with munroe as he is operating at a different level.

BDF

jungleboy wrote: »

I don't think that cordoba would be that concerned about dunnes power, infoact i would say that if they had a re match dunne would get beaten. Can see this happening though as it would not be good for either fighter.

So you think that Cordoba would not be concerned about Dunne's power, even though Dunne knocked his ass down 5 times and hurt him numerous more times throughout the fight? I would pick Dunne to beat Cordoba by stoppage in the mid rounds in a rematch.

walshb

If I were to assess Beranrd on certain traits:

Power....6
Speed....8...best part of his game.
Ring Generalship......7...style wise he looks good
Chin....sorry guys, 4-5
Footwork, speed of foot.....7 (nice balance, but at times, slow to get out of range)
Defence.... 6...gets hit too much.

BDF

walshb wrote: »

If I were to assess Beranrd on certain traits:

Power....6
Speed....8...best part of his game.
Ring Generalship......7...style wise he looks good
Chin....sorry guys, 4-5
Footwork, speed of foot.....7 (nice balance, but at times, slow to get out of range)
Defence.... 6...gets hit too much.

Now can you rate Munroe on the same criteria

walshb

Jaysoose wrote: »

At least he is fighting the best guys out there instead of entertaining a handful of people in leisure centres fighting average competition on friday fight night.

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C'mon, he has fought two top ten fighters and got kod by one.

Up to that, he had never fought ONE top ten fighter. Lets be accurate here.

To say he is fighthing the best out there is a a wee bitt misleading

walshb

BDF wrote: »

Now can you rate Munroe on the same criteria

Okay, speed....7
Power....5 or 6
Generalship....7
Chin....it's good to date, so 8 or so
Defence....7
Footwork.....7

Dunne has the ability if really focused, but the concern is his history, and his hunger at this
stage. I could not be confident on a win

And, a very important aspect is confidence, at this time, Munroe's mind will
more than likely be more confident. Dunne has been hurt, beaten and bruised.

Going into future fights may play tricks with Dunne. He needs to be so so determined and hungry.
This is something that is deep inside, and I just think that the last two fights may have really
drained him.

Munroe is at a better place.

Jaysoose

walshb wrote: »

C'mon, he has fought two top ten fighters and got kod by one.

Up to that, he had never fought ONE top ten fighter. Lets be accurate here.

To say he is fighthing the best out there is a a wee bitt misleading

Why is it misleading? he fought a recognised champion in cordoba and the followed it up with a mandatory against krakkingdengym, Before this he was fighting at euro level which is pretty standard for most boxers. You explain to how he has not faced the best avaiable competition to him in his last two fights?

Lets apply the same logic to Munroe shall we? the mighty isssaac nettey (453 in the rankings) followed by a moving up in weight Malludrottu who if he didnt fade in the last 4 rounds should have beaten munroe.

mark renton

jungleboy wrote: »

I would have to agree with Walshb, it going to be very tough for dunne now, he has no chin and no power, put this together at top fligh boxing and just won't get far.

many many boxers have a good chin and power but still dont go very far, also to say that Dunne has no power is an exageration

walshb

Jaysoose wrote: »

Why is it misleading? he fought a recognised champion in cordoba and the followed it up with a mandatory against krakkingdengym, Before this he was fighting at euro level which is pretty standard for most boxers. You explain to how he has not faced the best avaiable competition to him in his last two fights?

Lets apply the same logic to Munroe shall we? the mighty isssaac nettey (453 in the rankings) followed by a moving up in weight Malludrottu who if he didnt fade in the last 4 rounds should have beaten munroe.

I agreed about the two top ten. But, before this, the level was pretty average.
To say he's been fighting the best is not accurate when you look at his entire resume.

Mostly, the fighters were not the best, and when he met top ten, his success rate was 50 percent. All I ask for is accurate information.

I know at the start of ones career, you don't fight the best, but with Dunne, he didn't step up until quite late and went 1-1 with the fighters in the top ten.

mark renton

walshb wrote: »

Okay, speed....7
Power....5 or 6
Generalship....7
Chin....it's good to date, so 8 or so
Defence....7
Footwork.....7

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Aint no way Munroe has more power than Dunne

sorry - read speed as Power

walshb

john47832 wrote: »

many many boxers have a good chin and power but still dont go very far, also to say that Dunne has no power is an exageration

But, do you think Dunne is respected or known for his power?

This is what took from the "no power comment." And, I would take this had it been said about other fighters that were not KNOWN for their power. It's called reading between the lines

walshb

john47832 wrote: »

Aint no way Munroe has more power than Dunne

sorry but this absolute rubbish

Something that needs to be known here, is that the topic of a fighters power is a subjective one. It's not like saying that Paul Hession is not as fast as Usain Bolt. We know this and can prove this, so steady on.

Similar analogy is Hearns power vs. Gerald McClellans's. Both close, but I would pick
Gerald; although I could see an argument for Hearns.

Now, with Munroe and Dunne, both are not not hitters and both are not known
for their power. In this instance, it become quite subjective.

Had I said that Munroe and Lopez are equal, then fair enough, call me on it.

mark renton

walshb wrote: »

But, do you think Dunne is respected or known for his power?

This is what took from the "no power comment." And, I would take this had it been said about other fighters that were not KNOWN for their power. It's called reading between the lines

Sorry - I must have misread, I took No Power as No Power

sure he is not Known for Power, but to say he has none is just not true

walshb

john47832 wrote: »

Sorry - I must have misread, I took No Power as No Power

sure he is not Known for Power, but to say he has none is just not true

Well, if one wants to get really specific with words, then yes, it's inaccurate to say that
Dunne has no power.

mark renton

walshb wrote: »

Well, if one wants to get really specific with words, then yes, it's inaccurate to say that
Dunne has no power.

yes - and can we add that to the charter, mandatory 1 week for making such statement

magma69

BDF wrote: »

Dunne risks burning himself out if he does not give his body enough time to recover from the intense training camps, gruelling war with Cordoba and the fight with Poonsawat. He went through all that in the space of 8 months so it is not too much to ask for him to have a break is it? I take it you don't box or have never done any intense training or sport which puts huge demands on you physically and mentally? If you ever did I doubt you would be so quick to deny Dunne the well earned break

Absolute nonsense. How come boxers a few decades back could fight several times a year and not burnout. Dunne has fought 14 rounds in a 13 months. Some boxers fought that in one fight, taking similar punishment, not all that long ago :rolleyes:. "All that", as you put it, in the space of 8 months is nothing. And to answer your question. I have played football most of my life and did some MMA for a few years, but never fought competitively. I have a fair idea about fitness and intense training but I have no first hand experience of boxing twelve rounds without protective wear. Have you? If not, your opinion is no more valid than mine.

magma69

I think it is harsh to say Dunne is feather fisted. Whilst his power is not devastating in the way Poonsawat's or Lopez is, he can still hurt most boxers. Dunne's problem is his chin. He could beat all the big boys of the division with the power he has now if he had an iron chin.

walshb

magma69 wrote: »

I think it is harsh to say Dunne is feather fisted. Whilst his power is not devastating in the way Poonsawat's or Lopez is, he can still hurt most boxers. Dunne's problem is his chin. He could beat all the big boys of the division with the power he has now if he had an iron chin.

It's not simply a case of the chin, and that means he beats anybody. Cordoba was quite a bit ahead of him in their fight. He still has to out box some of the guys, and there are some pretty good "boxers" out there. It's all about everything, stamina, chin, power, pace etc.

The power or extra power is what keeps your opponent honest and respectful; you don't hurt them or get their respect, and they walk thru you, just like PK did

Throw a chin and power on Dunne and he'd be a tough boxing puzzle for many

mark renton

magma69 wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. How come boxers a few decades back could fight several times a year and not burnout. Dunne has fought 14 rounds in a 13 months. Some boxers fought that in one fight, taking similar punishment, not all that long ago :rolleyes:. "All that", as you put it, in the space of 8 months is nothing. And to answer your question. I have played football most of my life and did some MMA for a few years, but never fought competitively. I have a fair idea about fitness and intense training but I have no first hand experience of boxing twelve rounds without protective wear. Have you? If not, your opinion is no more valid than mine.

I think the point here should be about the mental fatigue more than the physical, the early morning trainings, the strict diet, the weeks away from family - the amout of discipline all this takes must take its toll

compare a footballer - goes into training at half 10 and is home by 2 or 3 o clock complaining he has nothing to do - then plays a game on sat

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Moore is irrelevant to the topic. I haven't followed him or seen much of him.

Out of all the things said on this thread, this stands out the most for me.

You are a boxing fan right ?

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Out of all the things said on this thread, this stands out the most for me.

You are a boxing fan right ?

So, because I haven't seen many of his fights? What?

alanceltic

walshb wrote: »

If I were to assess Beranrd on certain traits:

Power....6
Speed....8...best part of his game.
Ring Generalship......7...style wise he looks good
Chin....sorry guys, 4-5
Footwork, speed of foot.....7 (nice balance, but at times, slow to get out of range)
Defence.... 6...gets hit too much.

Jeeeeez isnt it amazing how such an average boxer (well by these stats) can win a world title...... paulie hyland must be creaming his pants reading this because he ticks all the boxes as an average boxer and must now think he can unify a few titles...... he must have had a little pep talk with walshb in the stadium at macklins fight before he called dunne out :D:D

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

So, because I haven't seen many of his fights? What?

I don't mean it in an offensive way(tone can be hard to get across on the internet), but Moore is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport.
He's never in a bad fight(and I mean that literally).

His fights with Michael Jones(3rd fight) and Matthew Macklin are the most exciting Light-Middleweight contests I can think of.

His fight with Ryan Rhodes was a cracking fight aswell, he's a fighter with loads of power but is vulnerable himself, loads of heart and is a great guy to add.
Just everything about him is exciting and likable and I find it strange to think a boxing fan from this side of the World wouldn't watch most of his fights.
A former Irish title holder aswell.

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Jeeeeez isnt it amazing how such an average boxer (well by these stats) can win a world title...... paulie hyland must be creaming his pants reading this because he ticks all the boxes as an average boxer and must now think he can unify a few titles...... he must have had a little pep talk with walshb in the stadium at macklins fight before he called dunne out :D:D

Would you like to rate the traits; bearing in mind that a ten is perfection.

As in, Hagler gets a 10 in the chin department.

Ali gets a ten in footwork

Tyson gets a ten in punch power

Floyd gets a ten in defence

Mel Taylor gets a ten in speed.

Now, if I increase Dunne, he is getting close to legendary...:)

alanceltic

mabey i was a little harsh on young hyland but he has done NOTHING in the last 2-3 years and needs to "sh_it or get off the pot". Would actually love to see him getting it on with Munroe, it goes without saying that I think Dunne would destroy the binman - I think he is actually VERY overrated and feel that Hyland could beat him if he has the b@lls to make the step up.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I don't mean it in an offensive way(tone can be hard to get across on the internet), but Moore is one of the most exciting fighters in the sport.
He's never in a bad fight(and I mean that literally).

His fights with Michael Jones(3rd fight) and Matthew Macklin are the most exciting Light-Middleweight contests I can think of.

His fight with Ryan Rhodes was a cracking fight aswell, he's a fighter with loads of power but is vulnerable himself, loads of heart and is a great guy to add.
Just everything about him is exciting and likable and I find it strange to think a boxing fan from this side of the World wouldn't watch most of his fights.
A former Irish title holder aswell.

I never said he wasn't exciting and I have seen action from him. I just haven't seen many of his fights. Hey, Carlos Monzon was
one of the best middles ever, I have seen little of him too. I don't have Sky Sports and don't spend a lot of time searching Jamie Moore online. Maybe I will now. I did see the Macklin and Rhodes bouts, and from them that is why I think he beats Sinky