Twilight new moon

OutlawPete

Alicat wrote: »

I totally missed this post :pac:

Invisible as usual .. story of my life

Alicat

OutlawPete wrote: »

I don't approve of this objectifying men like that. We have feelings too ya know.

So do women! Didn't stop men doing it for the last few hundred years! :P

and you're probably going to say "yeah but's different..." :pac:

banshee_bones

Alicat wrote: »

You don't hear me objecting!

Well helloooooo Hotstuff

i still cant get my head around the fact that this beautiful looking creature is only 17! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

my class mates have been slagging the crap out of me ever since i was asked at lunch last week if i would and i was like hell yeah! hes well ripped! then they found out he was 17 and boy did they slag me for it! "your 23, thats almost illegal!"

Noodleworm

Im a girl who read all the books before the first film was even made.
I am definitely not addicted, to be honest they annoy me. I also like real vampire movies but the story annoys me.
The man character Bella is just a shallow place-holder for any girl reading the book. She never says anything nice about The guy except for constantly saying how hot she thinks he is. Not one word is said about ither having a nice personality or being a nice person. The only reason their together is cos they think the other is hot
The poor actors on the film have both been good in indie movies but they clearly don't like the twilight franchise or the obsessive fans.

Also I find it Ironic that the same director who did 30 days of night will be doing the Eclipse movie.

Alicat

banshee_bones wrote: »

i still cant get my head around the fact that this beautiful looking creature is only 17! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

my class mates have been slagging the crap out of me ever since i was asked at lunch last week if i would and i was like hell yeah! hes well ripped! then they found out he was 17 and boy did they slag me for it! "your 23, thats almost illegal!"

I'm 25...:o

OutlawPete

Alicat wrote: »

Well helloooooo Hotstuff

Well Helloooooo there Cuite Pie

Alicat

Noodleworm wrote: »

Im a girl who read all the books before the first film was even made.
I am definitely not addicted, to be honest they annoy me. I also like real vampire movies but the story annoys me.
The man character Bella is just a shallow place-holder for any girl reading the book. She never says anything nice about The guy except for constantly saying how hot she thinks he is. Not one word is said about ither having a nice personality or being a nice person. The only reason their together is cos they think the other is hot
The poor actors on the film have both been good in indie movies but they clearly don't like the twilight franchise or the obsessive fans.

Also I find it Ironic that the same director who did 30 days of night will be doing the Eclipse movie.

Have you read Midnight Sun? (the unfinished draft that is basically the first book but told by Edward?) In it, he talks a LOT about how inherently good and kind and patient Bella is. Perhaps Meyer had it all worked out in her head but didn't portray it as well as she could have.


And Outlaw Pete you could've picked a better photo, the girl is gorgeous! :P You can't see her eyes in that one!

Basq

Gave me a laugh!

The 30 Most Disturbing Twilight Products

Alicat

Number 26 is the funniest It's the description of it though that makes it hilarious!

I tried telling people about this and they didn't believe me :eek:

banshee_bones

basquille wrote: »

Gave me a laugh!

The 30 Most Disturbing Twilight Products

Nearly died laughing at these, disturbing INDEED!!!! :D

OutlawPete

Alicat wrote: »

You can't see her eyes in that one!

You made me feel physically inadequate and so I was just looking for the one that had the most flesh

Is it wrong that this photo makes me want to bite her neck oh so softly ..

Handsome Bob

Not at all she's so cute! LOL @ those interwebz fanboys who say she's ugly. They said the same about Kirtsen Dunst and Maggie Gyllenhaal. I'm sure they would say no if given the opportunity. :rolleyes:

takola

Number 1 is beyond creepy. People actually buy that crap? :eek:

Richard Dower

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well Helloooooo there Cuite Pie

Who dat?....she's had a few happy meals!

Handsome Bob

I can't even tell if people are being sarcastic on the internet anymore. :mad:

Richard Dower

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I can't even tell if people are being sarcastic on the internet anymore. :mad:

That's the great thing abut being a keyboard warrior....you can say things you'd never say to someones face, but think it, or wait 'till there gone and say it...isin't human nature wonderful?

Alicat

OutlawPete wrote: »

You made me feel physically inadequate and so I was just looking for the one that had the most flesh

Is it wrong that this photo makes me want to bite her neck oh so softly ..

Well ok then! :pac:

Glad to hear to self confidence is so strong that I was able to beat it down with one picture of a 17 year old boy :pac:

takola wrote: »

Number 1 is beyond creepy. People actually buy that crap? :eek:

They must do! It is super disturbing though....

OutlawPete

Richard Dower wrote: »

Who dat?....she's had a few happy meals!

She's the lead in Twilight / The New Moon.

Your not serious though are ya? If she was any thinner she'd blow away ..

Richard Dower

OutlawPete wrote: »

She's the lead in Twilight / The New Moon.

Your not serious though are ya? If she was any thinner she'd blow away ..

Aye, she holding a packet of fags?

Alicat

She is a smoker

Richard Dower

Alicat wrote: »

She is a smoker

I've gone off her now

OutlawPete

Richard Dower wrote: »

I've gone off her now

Good .. she's all mine so

Tusky

New Moon has an average review score of around 40 our of 100 on Metacritic.

Its got 30% positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes

Surely one of the lowest scores of the year for a blockbuster ?

Alicat

Tusky wrote: »

New Moon has an average review score of around 40 our of 100 on Metacritic.

Its got 30% positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes

Surely one of the lowest scores of the year for a blockbuster ?

Well it's barely out 24 hours, give it a few days to balance out

Handsome Bob

Alicat wrote: »

Well it's barely out 24 hours, give it a few days to balance out

Said the same thing about Terminator Salvation, it never got any better.

OutlawPete

Alicat wrote: »

Well it's barely out 24 hours, give it a few days to balance out

Plus, it's a film people love to hate and are just dying to give a poor score to. Kidna like if you had a vote to see how Man Utd play on Saturday .. your gonna get the haters votes too.

Alicat

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Said the same thing about Terminator Salvation, it never got any better.

Well that was crap! :pac:

OutlawPete wrote: »

Plus, it's a film people love to hate and are just dying to give a poor score to. Kidna like if you had a vote to see how Man Utd play on Saturday .. your gonna get the haters votes too.

Exactly, I mean people on IMDB were giving it a 1 before it even came out :rolleyes:

Tusky

Alicat wrote: »

Well it's barely out 24 hours, give it a few days to balance out

Well the chances are a lot of the press would have seen it before the release date, at press showing or advance screenings. However, their reviews would be embargoed until the official release, so thats why a flood or reviews come out instantly on the day of relase. I doubt it will even out.

The 30% positive review score is based on 135 reviews.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Plus, it's a film people love to hate and are just dying to give a poor score to. Kidna like if you had a vote to see how Man Utd play on Saturday .. your gonna get the haters votes too.

That may be true of the odd reviewer - thats why I use sites that generate average review scores from hundreds of reviews. I dont always agree with the score, but its generally a very very good indication of a movie.

The 30% positive reviews is based on 135 reviews.

For example, a movie like 'High School Musical' you might imagine would be an easy movie for snotty film critics to hate, yet it managed 63% positive reviews on rotten tomatoes.

Alicat

Tusky wrote: »

Well the chances are a lot of the press would have seen it before the release date, at press showing or advance screenings. However, their reviews would be embargoed until the official release, so thats why a flood or reviews come out instantly on the day of relase. I doubt it will even out.

The 30% positive review score is based on 135 reviews.



That may be true of the odd reviewer - thats why I use sites that generate average review scores from hundreds of reviews. I dont always agree with the score, but its generally a very very good indication of a movie.

The 30% positive reviews is based on 135 reviews.

For example, a movie like 'High School Musical' you might imagine would be an easy movie for snotty film critics to hate, yet it managed 63% positive reviews on rotten tomatoes.

It doesn't bode well for sure but as I said before it's the fans that the movie's been made for, not the critics.

Tusky

Alicat wrote: »

it's the fans that the movie's been made for, not the critics.

Thats a bit of a cop out though. Afterall, who makes a movie for the critics ?

Lord of the Rings and Sin City were made for the fans, and look at how fantastic they are.

Alicat

Tusky wrote: »

Thats a bit of a cop out though. Afterall, who makes a movie for the critics ?

Lord of the Rings and Sin City were made for the fans, and look at how fantastic they are.

Nobody really, so it shouldn't really matter in the end what they think. It can give a fair idea what the movie is like but it's not set in stone. Fans of Twilight won't care what the critics say, they'll have their own opinions and they'll love it regardless.

I'm seeing it tomorrow so if it is truely sh*t I'll have no qualms in saying it, but the same goes if I enjoy it thoroughly for what it is.

indough

it basically says they are crap as movies but the fans will settle for them because of the subject matter

Alicat

but the subject matter is what they're interested in?

indough

thats what i said

Alicat

Yeah but it won't be the fans settling, they'll love them for what it is

foodie66

banshee_bones wrote: »

i still cant get my head around the fact that this beautiful looking creature is only 17! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

my class mates have been slagging the crap out of me ever since i was asked at lunch last week if i would and i was like hell yeah! hes well ripped! then they found out he was 17 and boy did they slag me for it! "your 23, thats almost illegal!"

Nah Taylor is cute n all but give me Rob Pattinson any day!!! Taylor looks like a kid with a mans body!!!!

indough

Alicat wrote: »

Yeah but it won't be the fans settling, they'll love them for what it is

i think you may be missing my point, the fans will settle for what is technically poor moviemaking because they are invested in the whole idea of the film, whereas critics will give it a bit more of an objective viewing

im not criticizing the fans here in any way btw, there are plenty of films i love that are hated by critics too

indough

indough wrote: »

i think you may be missing my point, the fans will settle for what is technically poor moviemaking because they are invested in the whole idea of the film, whereas critics will give it a bit more of an objective viewing

im not criticizing the fans here in any way btw, there are plenty of films i love that are hated by critics too

The fans seem quite happy to pay to see sub standard fare simply because it carries the Twilight name. They seem incapable of seeing the films for the poor, badly done fare that they are instead seeming to think that every shirtless scene is a gift from God. Great adaptation are the result of great source material, perhaps that is Twilight's biggest problem.

You could understand if it was a few critics slating the film but it seems that pretty much every critic out there hates the film. This is not a good thing and simply saying it's for the fans is not an excuse. Stephen King fans are the biggest critics of King adaptations, same with comic fans. If a comic book/King film is crap fans aren't afraid to say so. There isnt some blind allegiance to the name which allows them to see past this fact.

Mossy Monk

It must have been because of this film that I was greeted to by a horde of raging hormones when I was leaving the cinema last night. It was horrific.

Alicat

indough wrote: »

i think you may be missing my point, the fans will settle for what is technically poor moviemaking because they are invested in the whole idea of the film, whereas critics will give it a bit more of an objective viewing

im not criticizing the fans here in any way btw, there are plenty of films i love that are hated by critics too

I just disapprove of the term 'settling', because it's not what the fans are doing. They are not looking for a masterpiece movie, by way of technology or style or any other criteria in which movies can be judged. They are simply happy to see their favourite series on screen, simple as. They get lost in the fantasy for 2 hours and enjoy it. They don't spend the movie thinking "Oh that's dreadful acting" or "I wouldn't have gone for that shot" or "I don't like how they've done the editing for this movie".

To an outsider, not a fan of the books or movies, it looks like settling, I can see that. I can understand how it would frustrate someone who is involved in movies (I don't mean by work but just someone who has a strong interest in movies and/or movie-making) and has an opinion on every aspect of a movie. But it's just not how it is for these fans.

Deleted User wrote: »

The fans seem quite happy to pay to see sub standard fare simply because it carries the Twilight name. They seem incapable of seeing the films for the poor, badly done fare that they are instead seeming to think that every shirtless scene is a gift from God. Great adaptation are the result of great source material, perhaps that is Twilight's biggest problem.

You could understand if it was a few critics slating the film but it seems that pretty much every critic out there hates the film. This is not a good thing and simply saying it's for the fans is not an excuse. Stephen King fans are the biggest critics of King adaptations, same with comic fans. If a comic book/King film is crap fans aren't afraid to say so. There isnt some blind allegiance to the name which allows them to see past this fact.

Yes but they don't think it's crap, that's the point. You can put as cruel as spin on it as you like Darko but they just love the series. Eventually you might just accept that. B*tch about the movies all you like but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to a fan.

indough

Alicat wrote: »

I just disapprove of the term 'settling', because it's not what the fans are doing. They are not looking for a masterpiece movie, by way of technology or style or any other criteria in which movies can be judged. They are simply happy to see their favourite series on screen, simple as.

but that is the very definition of settling in the context im using it, dont worry though its not a dirty word or anythin g, we all have movies which we like which arent perfect by any means, viewed as crap by many, but we settle for them because the subject matter is something we are very interested in

nothing wrong with it at all

i havent seen these twilight films at all but the clips ive seen look shockingly badly acted and cliched, but my sister likes the first one because shes into all that supernatural stuff, i dont see a problem with that

Alicat

Alicat wrote: »

Yes but they don't think it's crap, that's the point. You can put as cruel as spin on it as you like Darko but they just love the series. Eventually you might just accept that. B*tch about the movies all you like but it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to a fan.

I accept that the fans like the films but you have to wonder why. When you look at films such as Harry Potter you can see why the fans like them, they are enjoyable and manage to keep adapt the novels very well. The Twilight films are just poor, there's no two ways about it. Are the fans enjoy the films simply because of the name or do they see them as being good adaptations of the novels? The hysteria surrounding the films reminds me of the kind an evangelist preacher whips up in his congregation.

I really dont think that fans of the novels can see past the title and near soft core levels of shirt removing. Were the film called anything else do you really see so many people going mad about it?

I should add that I'm not attacking you or anyone else and nothign I say is a personal attack.

krudler

I just disapprove of the term 'settling', because it's not what the fans are doing. They are not looking for a masterpiece movie, by way of technology or style or any other criteria in which movies can be judged. They are simply happy to see their favourite series on screen, simple as. They get lost in the fantasy for 2 hours and enjoy it. They don't spend the movie thinking "Oh that's dreadful acting" or "I wouldn't have gone for that shot" or "I don't like how they've done the editing for this movie".

They should though, I know people who are massive Harry Potter fans and hated the last movie because it was a dull assembly of the main scenes of the book thrown together with a threadbare plot and left out most of the reasons for the actions of the characters, yet with Twilight there's this blind devotion to whatevers on screen no matter how badly adapted it is. I like some series of book but would have no problem ripping the film adaptation to shreds if it was bad, same with graphic novels and comics, just because you're a fan of the story in one medium doesnt mean you have to be in another, take Watchmen or Hitchhiker's Guide or The Shining or whatever, the books and movies have their fans who hate the adaptations or originals, whereas Twilight fans seem to love them both even though they're both poor

OutlawPete

I haven't watched this review as I haven't watched a movie trailer / review or even an interview about a film before I see the movie in 15 years .. and that's the truth

Anyway, here's that review ..

SPOILER - DO NOT WATCH - SPOILER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Ckw7zLQ8o

Alicat

indough wrote: »

but that is the very definition of settling in the context im using it, dont worry though its not a dirty word or anythin g, we all have movies which we like which arent perfect by any means, viewed as crap by many, but we settle for them because the subject matter is something we are very interested in

nothing wrong with it at all

i havent seen these twilight films at all but the clips ive seen look shockingly badly acted and cliched, but my sister likes the first one because shes into all that supernatural stuff, i dont see a problem with that

Yeah as I said, to an outsider it's termed as settling. But to many fans they don't even see the 'bad acting' or the 'clichés' so it's not 'settling' to them by any means.

Just to point out again, I haven't seen the new one yet, I'll be seeing tonight and IF it is awful and takes away from the book I will happily admit it.

Deleted User wrote: »

I accept that the fans like the films but you have to wonder why. When you look at films such as Harry Potter you can see why the fans like them, they are enjoyable and manage to keep adapt the novels very well. The Twilight films are just poor, there's no two ways about it. Are the fans enjoy the films simply because of the name or do they see them as being good adaptations of the novels? The hysteria surrounding the films reminds me of the kind an evangelist preacher whips up in his congregation.

I really dont think that fans of the novels can see past the title and near soft core levels of shirt removing. Were the film called anything else do you really see so many people going mad about it?

I should add that I'm not attacking you or anyone else and nothign I say is a personal attack.

It doesn't matter what the film is called. It's the book on screen, that's all they care about.

And while we're on the subject, as an avid Harry Potter fan, I wasn't that impressed with the movies. Mainly because they changed vital parts of the books to suit the director or whoever. I could say I settled for those, as did a lot of fans. Daniel Radcliffe was truly awful for some of the movies. He got better, I'll give him that but I still wouldn't say they were anywhere near my favourite movies. I enjoyed the subject matter for what it was, and some parts of the movies did capture the magic of Harry's world that I had experienced through the books so I have watched them all quite a few times.

However, the fans of Twilight just love the movies because it works for them. They see the book on the screen as they imagined it. The director(s) haven't (yet) changed the book to suit them and the movie.

I think it's simply a case of a difference of opinion between the fans and people such as yourself.

Alicat

krudler wrote: »

They should though, I know people who are massive Harry Potter fans and hated the last movie because it was a dull assembly of the main scenes of the book thrown together with a threadbare plot and left out most of the reasons for the actions of the characters, yet with Twilight there's this blind devotion to whatevers on screen no matter how badly adapted it is. I like some series of book but would have no problem ripping the film adaptation to shreds if it was bad, same with graphic novels and comics, just because you're a fan of the story in one medium doesnt mean you have to be in another, take Watchmen or Hitchhiker's Guide or The Shining or whatever, the books and movies have their fans who hate the adaptations or originals, whereas Twilight fans seem to love them both even though they're both poor

I am one of them!

But the Twilight fans just love it! They just love it to pieces and I don't understand why people are so critical of it. Repeatedly! They don't think it's badly adapted. I'll tell you what I think when I see it myself. And as a fan, I'll try be be as upfront as possible.

Gingervitis

What? This film wasn't like the trailer I saw!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP_CcgpkWwo

fonpokno

basquille wrote: »

Gave me a laugh!

The 30 Most Disturbing Twilight Products

Ahahahahahahaha! They are BRILLIANT!

Saw the film last night. I didn't like the first film at all but I had to see the second cos I like the books. I laughed my way through it but I enjoyed it!

New Moon is a vast improvement on Twilight. Kristen Stewart has found some of the muscles in her face and a teeny bit of emotion in her voice which was nice. Any of the scenes that were supposed to be comedy were just cringeworthy IMO. Some of it was badly scripted and again cringeworthy but overall it's a good fun film. Then again I'm one of those who loves High School Musical and Disney and anything that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And I'm a 20 year old girl.

One half of the cinema was made up of squealing girls in their 20s and the rest seemed to have been either dragged there or wanted to see how bad it was. God it was so funny to listen to the sighs and gasps whenever a top was taken off...

I had good craic at the film because of the split. One half were crying and the rest of us were in fits of laughter. I like the books and I enjoyed the film too but it is mindless fluff. It's not a work of art, it's a chick flick. It's just a love story and the characters happen to be vampires and wolves and stupid annoying Bella. I don't think it's masquerading as something it's not, I think people are taking it as something it's not.

The whole Twilight thing is something people love to hate. Same as the whole Jedward fiasco in the X Factor. Darko, you're talking about how it's rape porn for kids? Srsly? Yeah it's stupid but Jebus don't make it out to be quite that bad. I mean if it happened in real life and some fella started climbing in my window, staring at me sleeping most people would be calling the police. But it's escapism.

Overall I enjoyed the film, it's not something I'd gush about or watch over and over but I'd go see it again if someone asked me to. I can't stand Bella by the way. Hate her, hate her, hate her. She's just the worst person ever. Ugh.

Was dragged to see New Moon by my girlfriend tonight and I have to say some of the stuff I saw was shocking. The film is woeful in pretty much every way, from the laughable dialogue, to the wooden acting to the poor cgi to the, well you get the idea.

Edward looks like he has had a lobotomy, Bella seems to be on a constant coke binge and no one else seems to own a shirt. How is it that the wolves always tear their pants off during the transformation yet when next we see them back to normal they are wearing the same pants?

The most shocking thing perhaps is the way the film glamorises teen suicide. Repeatedly we hear the two main characters tell one another how they would kill themselves if anything happened to the other

and then later on we watch as both attempt it.

The film really is not something that 12-18 year old girls should be watching, the messages it contains are inappropriate and dangerous.

fonpokno

fonpokno wrote: »

Darko, you're talking about how it's rape porn for kids? Srsly? Yeah it's stupid but Jebus don't make it out to be quite that bad. I mean if it happened in real life and some fella started climbing in my window, staring at me sleeping most people would be calling the police. But it's escapism.

I never said it was rape rope, I think I called it soft core porn for tweens which is exactly what it is. Watching it tonight and there was more skin shown than in some actual soft core porn films. 3/4 of the male cast seem incapable of wearing a shirt and those that do seem to relish in removing them as often as possible.

I think the biggest problem with the film is the messages it sends out to teenage girls. They are highly questionable and in my eyes inappropriate. I went in with an open mind and wanted to enjoy the film but the overall poorness of it made that impossible. I really can't see how the fans of the book love it so. It's worse than most made for TV lifetime movie of the week. The story could easily be told in 30 minutes and really should have been.

I wonder if Twilight had been written by a man would it be so loved? I'd wager that most people would be disgusted by the actions of Edward but because a woman wrote it that's okay, it's just harmless escapism.