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24th Nov Strikes... What a joke
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I am talking real world actually. Where public servants the cause of this recession? Answer me that question please?
Also, you have completely ignored all the points I have made about my job, just like the media has been ignoring the fact that public servants are people, have lives and have families to care for and bills to pay. We should be paid properly for our commitments to the public service, especially the 24/7 frontline workers eg. nurses, ambulance staff, firefighters etc. They should at the very least cut our working hours like they have done in Germany if they are thinking of reducing our pay yet again.
do you think the failure of the Central Bank, Financial Regulator or Dept of Finance had nothing to do with the financial scandals such as Anglogate or general excessive credit?
Do you think the Dell workers caused it? No but they've lost their jobs. Did the Inlet/Wyatt etc workers cause it? No but as private sector workers you expect them to continue to pay PS salaries that are not affordable or justified. You salary seems low, it just goes to show how your union looked after the older better set up property owning members rather than people like you. Do you see what I mean? I didn't cause this recession either but now there us a huge Government defecit that *needs* to be closed. Any suggestions on where to get 509m a week? How did the strike help close this gap?0 -
I'm absolutely sick to death of people denigratin those who work in the emergency services. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A PAY CUT. Do people not understand that. I CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER ONE. ANy more pay cuts will force me to seriously consider my position. I may have to emigrate somewhere where I will be properly appreciated and i am not alone in that. My job is in no way comparable to a private sector job and any one who does so is not very bright. These public sector bashers will be the first to complain when there is not enough paramedics, guards, nurses etc. When will people stop scapegoating and place the blame where it belongs - the government. AN election is required asap. Also the fianna fail cronies in the irish independent and rte have acted very badly during the recent strike and have stoked up anti public service feelings with their inaccuruate and bias reporting. RANT OVER.!0
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Straighttalker wrote: »I'm absolutely sick to death of people denigratin those who work in the emergency services. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A PAY CUT. Do people not understand that. I CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER ONE. ANy more pay cuts will force me to seriously consider my position. I may have to emigrate somewhere where I will be properly appreciated and i am not alone in that. My job is in no way comparable to a private sector job and any one who does so is not very bright. These public sector bashers will be the first to complain when there is not enough paramedics, guards, nurses etc. When will people stop scapegoating and place the blame where it belongs - the government. AN election is required asap. Also the fianna fail cronies in the irish independent and rte have acted very badly during the recent strike and have stoked up anti public service feelings with their inaccuruate and bias reporting. RANT OVER.!
A vote is needed but it's not going to solve anything. €4billion in cuts need to be made now. Where do you think they should come from if your not willing to take a paycut?0 -
Straighttalker wrote: »I'm absolutely sick to death of people denigratin those who work in the emergency services. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A PAY CUT. Do people not understand that. I CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER ONE. ANy more pay cuts will force me to seriously consider my position. I may have to emigrate somewhere where I will be properly appreciated and i am not alone in that. My job is in no way comparable to a private sector job and any one who does so is not very bright. These public sector bashers will be the first to complain when there is not enough paramedics, guards, nurses etc. When will people stop scapegoating and place the blame where it belongs - the government. AN election is required asap. Also the fianna fail cronies in the irish independent and rte have acted very badly during the recent strike and have stoked up anti public service feelings with their inaccuruate and bias reporting. RANT OVER.!
a election wont change anything as other side will do the same in cuts ,they dont have a choice,there more departments than nurses and guards that cost the public sector pay bill,there going too be cuts in public sector,either pay or jobs ,0 -
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Public sector workers lost their jobs too or has that not been made clear yet? My boyfriend was one of them, he was on the dole for ages until he got some temporary work there a few months ago, still not a so called "secure public sector" job. Also on the topic of choosing a profession you could easily say the same to a private sector worker. Simply, you chose that job and you chose that job because you simply didn't want a public sector job to begin with. Fair?
As for my job it was a good, decent job until they proposed these pay cuts. I would actually be better off on the dole for my own sanity. The job's not worth my time or the stress that comes with it to be honest. They could cut our pay but with doing that should also cut our working hours. I'd be perfectly happy with that. Less pay, less hours. Fair? I think so.
Lets face it, there has to be a bit of give and take here. :mad:0 -
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alejandro1977 wrote: »do you think the failure of the Central Bank, Financial Regulator or Dept of Finance had nothing to do with the financial scandals such as Anglogate or general excessive credit?
Do you think the Dell workers caused it? No but they've lost their jobs. Did the Inlet/Wyatt etc workers cause it? No but as private sector workers you expect them to continue to pay PS salaries that are not affordable or justified. You salary seems low, it just goes to show how your union looked after the older better set up property owning members rather than people like you. Do you see what I mean? I didn't cause this recession either but now there us a huge Government defecit that *needs* to be closed. Any suggestions on where to get 509m a week? How did the strike help close this gap?
It's nice to see a level headed fair reply, thank you Alejandro. My suggestion is if they have to cut our pay by 10%, then cut our hours too so it's fair.0 -
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My suggestion is if they have to cut our pay by 10%, then cut our hours too so it's fair.
Why do you always have to gain something in return? How's about they cut your pay and you get to keep your job in return? I got hit with a 15% paycut, a lot more than the pension levy you got hit with. Should I have told my boss that I was going to do 15% less work?0 -
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Well, isn't this very easy to explain.... if your getting a decent wage, you don't mind putting so much of yourself into the job because it's FAIR, your getting your paid properly for the all the time and energy your putting into it. Common sense really.
To everyone who is going on about the 1000's upon 1000's of private sector job losses. I can say this until I'm literally blue in the face, it wasn't the public servants like myself who created this big mess. Let's make that very clear. There is no point saying that over and over again. We chose our careers like everybody else. Look to the government if your looking for someone to the point the finger at, not the ordinary hard working people. This fight is not between private sector workers and public sectors workers. It's our incompetent government that's to blame that put this divide up in the first place, using us as the scapegoat to all the countries problems. The pension levy was a PAYCUT. End of. :mad:0 -
if a company is deep in debt you hold onto your job and try get out of it or the company goes bankrupt and everyone looses. in the case of PS the country is their boss and is deep in red and getting deeper in debt trying to pay wages that are overinflated, the rest of the economy went back 5 or more years while the PS are living in cooko land
My company ran into problems a few months before the recession hit. In the year that followed, 40% of my department has been let go and another 20% left to get other jobs. The few of us remaining are doing the work of everyone who left. There are no pay-rises, no bonuses and huge amounts of unpaid overtime, weekend work and on-call work. That's the way it goes -the company can't afford to pay them so we don't get them. Why do people in the public sector think it can be any different?I am talking real world actually. Where public servants the cause of this recession? Answer me that question please?
A Junior Cert business students book teaches 13 year-olds about matching income and expenditure and gives the example of not counting on winning the lotto to pay the electricity bill. It sounds daft at the time but under the reign of the Bertie, that's exactly what happened. Both the size and cost of the public sector grew massively and he used short term income (stamp duty) to pay for long term expenditure (public sector wages). The country no longer has the money to pay that bill so either the cost must go down or the size must go down. No-one is saying it's your fault but the mistakes made must be fixed.
It's not fair that people who have had a certain income must now lose some of it and that people who moved into new jobs must lose them but what other options are there? No-one has put forward any realistic options other than the socialist mantras of tax the rich or stop bailing out the banks. Neither of those are realistic.0 -
It's the negative backlash and disrespect from the public/media/government that is annoying public sector workers most of all at this difficult time to be honest. I'm glad Mark that you have actually mentioned that it isn't right and that it is unfair to cut people's pay, very few have yet to mention that on this board. It's also important to highlight that it's not only public sector workers who think what the government have proposed is unfair, below one of the very few articles from the media that have been supportive towards the public sector workers. Read below.
Public sector pay cuts unfair and counter-productive on the tax front
By Fergus Finlay
Tuesday, November 17, 2009
I THINK if I were a public servant today, I’d be mad as hell.
With a few well documented political exceptions, I’ve never known anyone who went into the public service to make money.
In fact if you wanted to make money, the last place you’d go for a career is into the public service.
Some people choose a public service career for security and many choose it because it offers the chance to do something or to be something they’ve always wanted to be. A nurse, a doctor, a teacher, a fireman. To work at healing the sick, catching the baddies, teaching the kids — I’ve known people who grew up from childhood wanting to do just that, and who have found tremendous fulfilment from following a chosen career as a public servant.
And I’ve known public servants who maybe ended up in places they never expected to find themselves, and nevertheless did the state more than a little service. It is public servants who run our libraries (and if you haven’t visited a library lately, go and take a look — it will knock your socks off).
It is public servants who help Irish manufacturers to market their goods and to export them. It is public servants who, behind the scenes, probably did as much and more to bring peace to this island than any of the higher profile politicians who routinely claim their place in history.
I could go on. But you’re going to have to take my word for this, if you haven’t had direct experience of the public service. As I said, I’ve never met a public servant who was in it for the money. And I’ve never met a public servant who wanted to let his or her country down.
Sure, they’re not all equally able. They’re not even all equally pleasant. We’ve all, I’m guessing, had both good and bad experiences at the hands of public servants. But I’m guessing we’ve all had mixed experiences at the hands of business people, bankers, priests, shopkeepers, mechanics, car salesmen, dentists, doctors, and the thousands and thousands of other people who make their living in the private sector in Ireland.
So why, I wonder, are public servants being told, day after day, that they have to bear the brunt of the public expenditure cuts? In addition to that, why are public servants being constantly attacked and derided as if they had suddenly become the fat cats in our society?
Why is there such division, and it seems such jealousy, between the public and the private sector? When public servants, quite rightly, point out that their pay has been hit by the pension levy, the commentators immediately snap that it’s only a modest contribution to the real cost of their pensions.
But for years and years public service pay in Ireland was calculated on the basis that the value of the pension had to be taken into account when making comparisons. In other words, public service salaries tended to be lower than those in the private sector because there was more security in the public service and the pensions were related to income rather than to the contribution made.
I’ve always argued (and I see the OECD is doing it too) that some government has to bite the bullet on the pension issue by closing down the "defined benefit" scheme (which relates pension to salary) for new entrants to the public service, and by placing all new entrants on a defined contribution scheme (which relates pension to the amount you pay into the scheme).
Such a change would bring the cost of funding public service pensions down dramatically over time. It would also mean that everyone in the economy who was working towards a pension, whether in the private or the public sector, would be on the same footing.
But you know what? The pensions entitlements of public servants haven’t actually changed at all. What has changed is that many pension schemes in the private sector have lost huge value partly because of mismanagement and also because the equities and stocks and shares they have been invested in have been damaged by greed and incompetence. More than a few pension funds, for instance, invested heavily in Irish bank shares. Need I say more?
And we’re being told every day that public service pay is at the heart of the whole public expenditure problem because it accounts for a massive proportion of public spending.
When they’re talking about public spending, commentators seem to use whatever figure comes into their heads. I’ve heard it solemnly reported on the radio that public service pay accounts for proportions of spending ranging from 50% to 75%. There’s a mantra about it — "it’s simply impossible to cut public spending (and thereby save the economy is the inference) without cutting pay because pay simply accounts for too much".
The actual figure is about one-third. Public service pay is about one-third of public spending. So every €3 you take off a public servant should give you about €1 in public spending cuts.
There’s a couple of problems with this. First, every time you take €3 off a public servant, you lose anything up to €1 in tax revenue because (unlike a lot of people in the private sector) public servants are all PAYE workers — cut their pay and you immediately lose the income tax they give you. So actually, if you want to get a cut of €1 in overall public spending from public service pay, you have to take around €4.
The Government has said it wants to take €1.3 billion from public servants as their contribution to resolving our financial crisis. If it means that as a net figure (taking account of the loss in tax revenue), it’s going to have to cut pay by around €1.7bn in fact. That’s 10% of the public pay bill from January 1 next.
BUT IF it wants to apply that kind of a cut so that lower paid public servants have to take a hit of, say, 5%, it’s going to have to cut middle income public servants by around 15%.
It was not the public service, nor anyone in the public service, who precipitated this crisis in the first place. And when we’re not busy sneering at public servants, we totally depend on them. Take away our public service in Ireland and you drive a huge hole into our quality of life.
Against that background, the kind of cuts that are now having to be considered, to yield a net €1.3bn in public spending reductions, are savage. They will have a huge impact on thousands of families (some commentators don’t like us noticing that public servants have families, too) and they will seriously damage morale in vital services.
Despite what the commentators might like us to think, cuts of that magnitude are fundamentally unfair. I mightn’t agree — in fact I don’t agree — with the proposition that our economy and our school system can be shut down for a day, or maybe more, by public sector protest. But because the whole approach is so unfair, I can fully understand the anger behind that protest.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Tuesday, November 17, 2009
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To everyone who is going on about the 1000's upon 1000's of private sector job losses. I can say this until I'm literally blue in the face, it wasn't the public servants like myself who created this big mess. Let's make that very clear.
Are you trying to say that it was the fault of the private sector workers who have lost their jobs?We chose our careers like everybody else.
Yes you chose a job that is paid for with the taxes that the government takes in. What part of THEY HAVE NO MONEY is it that your finding so hard to understand? Just because you chose a career in the public sector why does that entitle you to be exempt from the paycuts and job loses that everyone else has to suffer?The pension levy was a PAYCUT. End of. :mad:
A pension levy is NOT a paycut! A paycut is something that changes your income before tax. Not after it. And god love you for being asked to contribute more to YOUR pension.0 -
It's nice to see a level headed fair reply, thank you Alejandro. My suggestion is if they have to cut our pay by 10%, then cut our hours too so it's fair.
But then they'll have to take on more staff or pay overtime so it will not close the deficit!
The county is on track to take in 30 something billion next year and spend 50 something billion - the Dept of Finance has a poor record of forecasting so excuse the inaccuracy - this is unsustainable. There is no sign of a drastic pick ip in exports that will pay for it. Please face up to this simple stat. If you had a patient getting a transfusion of 3 units of blood a day while losing 5 then he'd be dead in no time, regardless of how many children he had to support- fairness has nothing to do with it0 -
Well, isn't this very easy to explain.... if your getting a decent wage, you don't mind putting so much of yourself into the job because it's FAIR, your getting your paid properly for the all the time and energy your putting into it. Common sense really.
To everyone who is going on about the 1000's upon 1000's of private sector job losses. I can say this until I'm literally blue in the face, it wasn't the public servants like myself who created this big mess. Let's make that very clear. There is no point saying that over and over again. We chose our careers like everybody else. Look to the government if your looking for someone to the point the finger at, not the ordinary hard working people. This fight is not between private sector workers and public sectors workers. It's our incompetent government that's to blame that put this divide up in the first place, using us as the scapegoat to all the countries problems. The pension levy was a PAYCUT. End of. :mad:
loses in jobs is 90 % more private than public sector,and current is globel but for public sector too look for promises that where given when there wasnt recession isnt going too happen when the finances are in red,common sense
public sector hasnt being that touched compared too public sector,fact
and again you twist things around as you public sector people are always doing ,where was it stated that public sector was too blame for job loses,theres a globel down turn and ireland as a expensive country and poor system will be slower too recope than other countrys,public sector are going too take a hit now or later ,been on the cards for a while,the goverment has put off doing it because like the private knew how the public sector would react,too look for raise and your pensions is bull when there is no money adn borrowing 40 millions daily too pay for public sector of 317,000 jobs is crap,going too change now or soon ,which ever goverment ,private sector is tired of hearing about the public sector ,you have jobs ,count yourself lucky too have one as 2010 is going too be worse compared too 2009,theres areas in public sector which can be cut,hospitals etc isnt one of them but there plenty of other areas that can,if theres no agreement ,there be cuts anyways,i cant afford a bloody pension when i have a family too look after ,ands your getting yours cut,poor you ,you people0 -
Can anyone here honestly say that they wouldn't try protect their salary from yet another cut? I am a newly qualified general practice nurse working in a busy Dublin Hospital so I am at the bottom of the payscale. Nurses have always been underpaid and undervalued in this country. We never as a profession benefited from the Celtic Tiger. Speaking from one public sector worker job perspective I studied and I trained hard for four years to get my Bachelor of Science degree in General Nursing and it wasn't easy. I wasn't paid for the first 3 years of my training. I worked for free in the hospitals doing back breaking work and long 12 hour shifts. Even with all the hardship I STILL enjoy my job but it is a big commitment for anybody to become a nurse. No Christmas, no bank holidays, no New Years, very little weekends off to socialise. Not to mention 84 hours of night duty every 4 weeks which in my opinion isn't worth doing even if you do get a week off. You've put your body through hell and back for it.
The strike day last Tuesday came from pure frustration and anger on the public sector front. We have been getting nothing but abuse from the media. As for all the public servants that supposedly went to the north on Tuesday, I'm not even going to entertain such a nonsensical statement. Nurses were STILL working that day and providing care to vulnerable patients. The rest were picketing, 3 people max were allowed to picket at a time as per management advice. I had just finished an 84 hr of night duty week the previous Monday morning but was asked to picket, I had to partake. Also, may I add that I won't be seeing the extra earnings for that copious of work last week due to being moved into a higher bracket of tax because they don't see shift work or night duty completed they just see a larger wage to cut.
I worked in the private sector a few years ago and my family is also a mix of public and private sector workers so I have nothing against anybody in the private sector. I do however have a major issue with people mouthing off abuse and making sweeping comments towards public sector workers. It is in our rights to strike and oppose further pay cuts. I don't want to be striking, noone does but we have been left with no other alternative. These strikes have got absolutely nothing to do with the private sector. It's not your fight, it's ours. Are we supposed to just sit back tape our mouth's and hand out our wallets to this incompetent government who right at the beginning created such negative attitude towards public sector workers. How is this negative attitude supposed to help? Did they think bad mouthing us would make us more eager to give up 10% of our earnings. Do not forget it was NOT public sector workers who created the recession. WHY must we bare the brunt of greed and scandal while the fat cats and bankers get away scott free?
The majority of the country should be with us not against us. Nurses deal with alot of abuse daily in the workplace, whether that's from aggressive patients or relatives. My job is psychologically and physically hard and we always have to go the extra mile in our job whether that be doing work duties not related to nursing or doing the work of 3 nurses because the hospital doesn't cover sick leave. The majorty of my grad year from Trinity have either gone to Australia or left the nursing profession altogether. There is no incentive to work in this field anymore. At the end of the day, nurses have to make a living too. The government is making a joke out of our jobs. Infact if this cut goes through, they can have mine.
Take your time to read this article because in my opinion, Fergus Finlay makes the public sector worker's point's crystal clear.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/fergus-finlay/public-sector-pay-cuts-unfair-and-counter-productive-on-the-tax-front-105725.html
fegus finlay is an idiot of the highest order , this is the same do-gooder who made the outrageous claim a few weeks back that if the xmas bonus was not reinstated that people on social wellfare would go hungary this christmas , hes your quientesential left wing poser
as for your assertion that nurses benefited nothing from the celtic tiger , complete horse**** , nurses in ireland are incredibly well paid ( 50 k per year on average ) and your collegues who left for australia will be taking a 40% pay cut should they continue thier proffesion in OZ , as for how tough a job being a nurse is , the challenges are no bigger than in any other european country , the only difference is irish nurses earn at least 30% more , i have a cousin in wales who became a nurse in 1986 , this year he will earn 33 thousand sterling and is several steps up the NHS system , thats not a whole lot more than a nurse starts off on in this country , if its such a struggle , why not quit your job , thier are many who would gladly replace you0 -
Great analogy!alejandro1977 wrote: »If you had a patient getting a transfusion of 3 units of blood a day while losing 5 then he'd be dead in no time, regardless of how many children he had to support- fairness has nothing to do with it
Break it down to the medical profession this way! Maybe he could only beat his heart 60% of the time though, that would be fair wouldn't it?! 0 -
i noticed a lot of new posters here lately who just happen too be in public sector,funny that0
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Straighttalker wrote: »I'm absolutely sick to death of people denigratin those who work in the emergency services. WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A PAY CUT. Do people not understand that. I CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER ONE. ANy more pay cuts will force me to seriously consider my position. I may have to emigrate somewhere where I will be properly appreciated and i am not alone in that. My job is in no way comparable to a private sector job and any one who does so is not very bright. These public sector bashers will be the first to complain when there is not enough paramedics, guards, nurses etc. When will people stop scapegoating and place the blame where it belongs - the government. AN election is required asap. Also the fianna fail cronies in the irish independent and rte have acted very badly during the recent strike and have stoked up anti public service feelings with their inaccuruate and bias reporting. RANT OVER.!
and im sick to death of public servants thinking they are sacred cows and a cut above the riff raff who toil in the dirty capitalist private sector , go on , step down from your job , with an attitude like that , your no loss and your easily replaced , the role of a guard or a nurse doesnt exactly require straight A,s , head overseas and see how much of a pay cut you will face0 -
It's the negative backlash and disrespect from the public/media/government that is annoying public sector workers most of all at this difficult time to be honest. I'm glad Mark that you have actually mentioned that it isn't right and that it is unfair to cut people's pay, very few have yet to mention that on this board. It's also important to highlight that it's not only public sector workers who think what the government have proposed is unfair. Read below.
Public sector pay cuts unfair and counter-productive on the tax front
By Fergus Finlay
Tuesday, November 17, 2009
I THINK if I were a public servant today, I’d be mad as hell.
With a few well documented political exceptions, I’ve never known anyone who went into the public service to make money.
In fact if you wanted to make money, the last place you’d go for a career is into the public service.
Finlay is a Labour Party hack who has barely had a real job in the private sector in his life. How many jobs has he or his type ever created? How many businesses has he started? How many innovations or inventions has he created? Has he ever earned a cent without it coming from the taxpayer or Party/Charity member. He's spent enough time in Government as a unelected adviser and then left to become a lobbyist/spin doctor.
He now makes a good living telling people what they should do without ever standing for elected office and thinks that NGOs like Barnados should dictate public policy and spends members denotations on billboards trying to change the constitution. He's a part of the poverty/equality industry and enjoys a huge salary without ever answering the real question of the day: How can the Government pay it's bills?
He as no grasp of economics or at least he is even more disingenuous if he does. He was described accurately in the UK High Court by Albert Reynolds as a "Snake in the Grass".
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Well, isn't this very easy to explain.... if your getting a decent wage, you don't mind putting so much of yourself into the job because it's FAIR, your getting your paid properly for the all the time and energy your putting into it. Common sense really.
To everyone who is going on about the 1000's upon 1000's of private sector job losses. I can say this until I'm literally blue in the face, it wasn't the public servants like myself who created this big mess. Let's make that very clear. There is no point saying that over and over again. We chose our careers like everybody else. Look to the government if your looking for someone to the point the finger at, not the ordinary hard working people. This fight is not between private sector workers and public sectors workers. It's our incompetent government that's to blame that put this divide up in the first place, using us as the scapegoat to all the countries problems. The pension levy was a PAYCUT. End of. :mad:
you sound like one of the well dressed upper crust passengers on the titanic who believed they shouldnt drowned because they themselves didnt strike any iceberg0 -
if there was a poll here asking weather the public sector should have cuts ,which way you think it go, dont think paddy power would give odds saying it wouldnt give cuts too public sector0
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Why is it that the only people here making any logical sense are the ones opposed to the demands of the PS? I have just read every page of this and i just don't get why PS workers think they are beyond pay cuts and why they can't seem to understand that the Government doesn't have the money to continue on paying their current wages. Donegalfella has been spot on but nobody has proposed any alternative solutions to his side of the argument. I mean seriously, what do PS want the Government to do and are they prepared to live with the consequences of their demands being met?0
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The PS want us to first kill off enterprise and foreign investment in this country by taxing "bogeymen" earning over €100k into oblivion.
When that source of revenue has been killed off, they plan to move onto social welfare cuts and taxing PAYE workers into oblivion.
Then we'll borrow until we're cut off and the interest repayments are more than we were borrowing to begin with.
Step 4: Profit.0 -
The PS want us to first kill off enterprise and foreign investment in this country by taxing "bogeymen" earning over €100k into oblivion.
When that source of revenue has been killed off, they plan to move onto social welfare cuts and taxing PAYE workers into oblivion.
Then we'll borrow until we're cut off and the interest repayments are more than we were borrowing to begin with.
Step 4: Profit.
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I wonder how many of these public sector workers voted Fianna Fáil through the last three elections? How many of them were bought and paid for by the largesse of Bertie Ahern?
My fear is that Cowen WILL take the hard decisions over the next two years, deliver the cuts, take the flak, and there will be the strikes and demonstrations, all to no effect. But then, come election year, Cowen will UNDO all of that by simply splurging out the money he cannot afford again, to buy back all those voters with short memories, and we will all be back to square one.
The issue is not what cuts will be delivered this December. The issue is what will happen come election year.0 -
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and im sick to death of public servants thinking they are sacred cows and a cut above the riff raff who toil in the dirty capitalist private sector , go on , step down from your job , with an attitude like that , your no loss and your easily replaced , the role of a guard or a nurse doesnt exactly require straight A,s , head overseas and see how much of a pay cut you will face
That's a little harsh though I must say that every guy I knew who joined the GS tried at least 1 RTC/IT course after the Leaving Cert, wasn't very successful and later on scraped into Templemore when the alternative wasn't too bright. None of them had degrees, none had trades simply because they lacked the work ethic and/or academic ability to do so.
P.S. One of them is29 years old but very obese, - BMI of 30+ and was way overweight when joining; I remember someone asked him if the physical/athletic test was difficult - he pointed to he belly and laughed!0
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