Laptop or Mac

Carcharodon

My wife and I are currently debating on whether to buy either a laptop(no particular brand), a macbook pro or mac mini.

I was leaning towards a laptop but my wife uses a Mac at work and wants to purchase one of those. We are not exactly flush with money so that is why I was leaning towards the laptop but would stretch it to the mac if I thought it was worth it.
Basically asking people with a good knowledge of this stuff, what advive and opinions they have on it.

I will be using the computer mainly for internet browsing, i-tunes, photos, watching movies (not too important), not too big on gaming but maybe one such as Championship Manager.
My wife is pretty much the same, doesn't really need it for work, just basic word programs and such, nothing too technical.
Problem with Macs is the cheapest ones have the 13 '' screens, maybe Iam just being fussy but would prefer bigger screen, not a decisive factor, it is probably just fine I say unless people think otherwise.

So, I would be happy with Laptop for around 500 dollars or so but my wife would like Mac, can get the refurbished macpro for around a $1000 or the mac mini for $500 but you have to buy keyboard and screen separate.
Probably prefer Laptop or Macpro but if Mac mini is worth it I could go for that.
Not too sure if the Macs are worth such a big difference in price, is it just more of an image thing ? I heard Macs are less susceptible to viruses, last longer, faster etc but have heard people argue differently.

Thanks

Overheal

cant hurt. especially if shes already familiar with them. they are expensive but as they loathingly point out, they bundle a bunch of bs prodictivity software and are pretty virus-safe. what do i know. could be a hoot. if you get sick of it you can always dualboot.

Carcharodon

Overheal wrote: »

cant hurt. especially if shes already familiar with them. they are expensive but as they loathingly point out, they bundle a bunch of bs prodictivity software and are pretty virus-safe. what do i know. could be a hoot. if you get sick of it you can always dualboot.

Yea, its mainly though, what is best value for money ? I don't think we have too many needs in terms of software. Just thinking I could pick up a perfectly acceptable laptop for half the price, although I am not going to fight her over it

RoadKillTs

what is best value for money ?

In your case I'd say the Mac in the long run anyways.

Overheal

thats debatable. but anyway.

The iMac may be worth investigating: http://gizmodo.com/5411073/why-its-gotten-straight-stupid-to-buy-a-mac-pro

Or then... http://gizmodo.com/5411547/some-core-i7-imacs-showing-up-dead

I dont know!

Carcharodon

Overheal wrote: »

thats debatable. but anyway.

The iMac may be worth investigating: http://gizmodo.com/5411073/why-its-gotten-straight-stupid-to-buy-a-mac-pro

Or then... http://gizmodo.com/5411547/some-core-i7-imacs-showing-up-dead

I dont know!

i-mac is a bit out of price range, macbook is more feasible.
Mac may be better long term option but just seems so much more expensive compared to regular laptop

Farcear

Not too sure if the Macs are worth such a big difference in price

If you're not going to be doing anything "serious" on this system and cash is a concern, then I can't see the justification in getting anything more expensive than a basic laptop.

As long as you keep your anti-virus and anti-spyware software up-to-date then viruses and such shouldn't be a real issue.

The fact that your wife is familiar with OS X is a huge tick in Apple's favour but given that you won't be taking advantage of a lot of the productivity software bundled with the Mac, it really comes down to whether you are prepared to pay $500 for the convenience of a familiar operating system.

ThePirateGay

Whatever you do DON'T buy a Mac! For your personal computing needs an ordinary laptop for €400 would be more than sufficient; so you're essentially torching €600 by going down the Mac route.

If your wallet is not exactly bulging with cash, why on earth would you be so spendthrift just for the sake of a badge?

cian1500ww

Get an ordinary laptop, cheaper to fix and easy to use.

uncle_sam_ie

I've got a Mac Mini and love it. It's not a "badge" , OS X is a solid operating system and worth every penny. I'm using as a media center in the living room as well as a family computer, with this free app http://www.plexapp.com/ It's really cool. Also, check out the Adverts.ie for a good second hand Mac if money is an issue. There are some good deals going there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ner5Z2WlAuI&feature=related

Get a Mac.. I've mine 23 months and still get 4-5 hours out of the battery. That alone is reason enough to get one. Plus they have other little things that end up so handy on a daily basis.. Like I can open my macbook and use it in roughly 3-5 seconds.. Try that on a Windows.

It's more money but you get what you pay for imo.




edit: uncle sam, Plex is great but it's based off xbmc which is on pc mac and xbox.

Cabaal

I used Windows for years, I bought my first mac in 2007 as a MacBook....I still have my windows desktop but when it needs to be replaced I'm getting a iMac

Overheal

cian1500ww wrote: »

cheaper to fix and easy to use.

True, when I saw a MacBook Pro that needed a simple fix (cant recall what that was it was my housemate's) but had a proprietary screwhead on it, thats when I began to really dislike the idea. I like to fiddle. My next machine will be self-built (probably to disastrous effect)

Bayan

Get a Mac, you won't look back. If you can afford it. Sounds to me like a regular Macbook would be perfect for you. Cheaper than a MacPro but unless you want to do high-end sound/graphic stuff (this is why you'll almost never meet a sound engineer/designer/architect who uses a pc) you probably don't need a pro. They're super robust, don't get sick, can do lots of things at the same time without having a wobble unlike PCs AND they're fun. I have a G4, 5 years old, has taken a good few knocks, heavy work for both work and personal and it still starts up in a flash and works great with no fuss. Battery is knackered in fairness. But it is 5 yrs old... Honestly, you won't look back. The new Macbook is under 1k, it's got lots of memory, and Snow Leopard OS.

Farcear

Overheal wrote: »

had a proprietary screwhead on it

Haha, and people think that Apple aren't using proprietary hardware any more.

Apple do make it difficult for you to tinker with their stuff but I can't believe that they're actually using non-standard screws... Did you manage to open it up in the end?

Overheal wrote: »

My next machine will be self-built (probably to disastrous effect)

I strongly recommend this. Recently built myself a nice little system and love it to bits. Teaches you a lot about computers and is pretty rewarding to boot.

Cuddlesworth

Deleted User wrote: »

Get a Mac.. I've mine 23 months and still get 4-5 hours out of the battery. That alone is reason enough to get one. Plus they have other little things that end up so handy on a daily basis.. Like I can open my macbook and use it in roughly 3-5 seconds.. Try that on a Windows.

The batteries in Macs are no different from HP's or Dells. They are made in the same factory and the power draw on the laptops is pretty much the exact same, both versions of the OS use the same power saving features. The difference is how long ago it is made as it has a limited life span regardless of use.

As for booting in seconds, stand by is available in Windows too.



OP, if price is a issue and your not actually doing anything with the laptop which requires OSX then there is no real choice. A three year warranty and basic laptop with windows seven at half the price will be the exact same.


To the people who posted about fixing Macs, they are systematically making Mac's harder and harder to fix without specialised tools. Crack the LCD on a Dell and price up a replacement. It should be about 80 quid and twenty minutes. Then do it on a MAC.

Bob_Harris

~€500 Laptop, with Windows 7 installed. (or free Windows 7 upgrade offer)

"Macs are virus free"
With Windows Security Essentials and possibly Firewall Control your Windows machine will also be virus free (for free and minimal-to-none performance impact).

Hey, if all comes to all, you could download the appropriate version of OSx and install it on your laptop :pac:

Overheal

Farcear wrote: »

Haha, and people think that Apple aren't using proprietary hardware any more.

Apple do make it difficult for you to tinker with their stuff but I can't believe that they're actually using non-standard screws... Did you manage to open it up in the end?

i think he did eventually but the fact is apple is pretty anal about hardware tampering. Even going so far as to deny Smokers warranty coverage.

cheap laptop dual booting with ubuntu.

easy to do, and you get the best of both worlds.

Cluster

Carcharodon wrote: »

My wife and I are currently debating on whether to buy either a laptop(no particular brand), a macbook pro or mac mini.

I was leaning towards a laptop but my wife uses a Mac at work and wants to purchase one of those. We are not exactly flush with money so that is why I was leaning towards the laptop but would stretch it to the mac if I thought it was worth it.
Basically asking people with a good knowledge of this stuff, what advive and opinions they have on it.

I will be using the computer mainly for internet browsing, i-tunes, photos, watching movies (not too important), not too big on gaming but maybe one such as Championship Manager.
My wife is pretty much the same, doesn't really need it for work, just basic word programs and such, nothing too technical.
Problem with Macs is the cheapest ones have the 13 '' screens, maybe Iam just being fussy but would prefer bigger screen, not a decisive factor, it is probably just fine I say unless people think otherwise.

So, I would be happy with Laptop for around 500 dollars or so but my wife would like Mac, can get the refurbished macpro for around a $1000 or the mac mini for $500 but you have to buy keyboard and screen separate.
Probably prefer Laptop or Macpro but if Mac mini is worth it I could go for that.
Not too sure if the Macs are worth such a big difference in price, is it just more of an image thing ? I heard Macs are less susceptible to viruses, last longer, faster etc but have heard people argue differently.

Thanks

MACs will not give you as much trouble and If I was buying a laptop again I'd get one.

If your not fussed though, a laptop will do the job just aswell and for half the price.

slowlydownwards

Apple all the way!!! So what if it is twice as expensive compared to pc and ten times more expensive to fix... that badge gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling that only comes when you've bought something expensive.

BTW, apple has a brand new (ok, not so new) macbook, called Macbook Wheel. It's bitchin', in the words of steve-o himself, a true testament to way they think so creatively, up there in Cupertino. Here's a linky:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary


On a more serious note, have a look at this:

http://www.osx86project.org/

<note to mod> Hope it's ok to post this here. :cool:

Bob_Harris

Cluster wrote: »

MACs will not give you as much trouble

Proof? Explanation? Or just waffle?

slowlydownwards wrote: »

Apple all the way!!! So what if it is twice as expensive compared to pc and ten times more expensive to fix... that badge gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling that only comes when you've bought something expensive.

I get a warm fuzzy feeling getting value for money, buying a product which does the exact same and more for a fraction of the price then laughing at the likes of you.

Bob_Harris

slowlydownwards wrote: »

Apple all the way!!! So what if it is twice as expensive compared to pc and ten times more expensive to fix... that badge gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling that only comes when you've bought something expensive.

BTW, apple has a brand new (ok, not so new) macbook, called Macbook Wheel. It's bitchin', in the words of steve-o himself, a true testament to way they think so creatively, up there in Cupertino. Here's a linky:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary


On a more serious note, have a look at this:

http://www.osx86project.org/

<note to mod> Hope it's ok to post this here. :cool:

On second thoughts, I think you were being sarcastic with your first half of the post.

chillin_penguin

Personally Having had the same debate awhile ago i bought a laptop


Here is the simple reasons:
1: Cheaper like a lot lot cheaper.

2:There is a lot of things you cant do on a mac (games, and a hell of a lot of programs are not mac friendly)

3:There is nothing on a mac that you cant do on a pc

4: like your wife i too sometimes use macs in work whoever what is used on them is pretty specific software and i would not be able to afford or obtain a licence for this on a mac anyway!

5: Windows 7 is pretty amazing and has lots of cool features it also cheaper to hardware upgrade and you can diy.


I know now some one will come on a have a go at point number 2 saying u can load windows onto mac using bootcamp but this requires you to buy a licence and so extra expense and completely defeats getting a mac.


This is what i came up with when i was having the same probem unless you are very very big into editing either video, pictures, or music. I would get a mac. Altho i will give it to them they are very nice machines and are a taking point in any home i could not justify the price myself personally.

Cluster

Bob_Harris wrote: »

Proof? Explanation? Or just waffle?





I get a warm fuzzy feeling getting value for money, buying a product which does the exact same and more for a fraction of the price then laughing at the likes of you.

Do you know anything about computers Bob? The world and its mother know that there are infinitely more bugs on the Windows platform than on Mac.

Just trying to give some sound advice, no agenda and certainly no waffle.

Bob_Harris

Cluster wrote: »

Do you know anything about computers Bob?

Fully qualified thank you very much.

yoyo

Cluster wrote: »

Do you know anything about computers Bob? The world and its mother know that there are infinitely more bugs on the Windows platform than on Mac.

Just trying to give some sound advice, no agenda and certainly no waffle.

What Windows bugs are you talking about? I've yet to come across any problems in Windows 7.. Come to think about it, havn't got a blue screen in Windows 7 at all and been using it months,

Nick

PogMoThoin

Don't get a mac, get a laptop each and keep the change

Cuddlesworth

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The batteries in Macs are no different from HP's or Dells. They are made in the same factory and the power draw on the laptops is pretty much the exact same, both versions of the OS use the same power saving features. The difference is how long ago it is made as it has a limited life span regardless of use.

As for booting in seconds, stand by is available in Windows too.

Without any backup whatsoever, I disagree with the battery claim.. It's not coincidence that every Dell my friends have doesn't work plugged out for more than 5 minutes.

And I've never used a Windows that can be used 5 seconds after opening the screen.


Maybe everyone I know in college has crap laptops?

boggly

what people forgot to tell you here is that with a mac you can instal windows so you hve the best of both worlds macs are far better

PogMoThoin

boggly wrote: »

what people forgot to tell you here is that with a mac you can instal windows so you hve the best of both worlds macs are far better

Which needs a Windows licence, which isn't free, more expense

Overheal

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Don't get a mac, get a laptop each and keep the change

Or a desktop and 2 or 3 netbooks.

boggly wrote: »

what people forgot to tell you here is that with a mac you can instal windows so you hve the best of both worlds macs are far better

you can accomplish the inverse with a laptop, by turning it into a hackintosh.

I also found this the other day, interesting article.

Stockholm Syndrome and You

Cuddlesworth

Deleted User wrote: »

Without any backup whatsoever, I disagree with the battery claim.. It's not coincidence that every Dell my friends have doesn't work plugged out for more than 5 minutes

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1Y1-97175926.html

Same lithium ion batteries made in the same factory's as every other laptop manufacturer, subject to the same quality control, same defects and the same limited shelf life. The laptops use the same hardware and the same power draw roughly. There is nothing unique about a MAC any more.

Also if I'm not mistaken on their new laptops you can't even change the battery without voiding the warranty which won't cover the battery.

Deleted User wrote: »

And I've never used a Windows that can be used 5 seconds after opening the screen.

From standby I have. I haven't seen a MAC boot in 5 seconds without it coming from a S2 state or it using a SSD drive.

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe everyone I know in college has crap laptops?

I'll take your everybody I know in college and trade you maintenance of 2,200 active laptops from three different manufacturers.


I also get 6 hours of battery life on my current dell, that's without the extended battery and second optional battery fitted into the CD drive. Not something I have seen available in a MAC.

Creamy Goodness

first off it's Mac, not MAC. MAC is makeup.

second of all... OP, use a mac yourself first. you're going to be the one paying for it so use one before you decide to plunge for one...

EKRIUQ

Overheal wrote: »

I also found this the other day, interesting article.

Stockholm Syndrome and You

But that's all of Apples marketing strategy, people have to justify paying so much for a product where a similar product could easily suffice at a cheaper price. Apple users will always justify their operating system when in reality

People like to go with "what's in", and don't know much about computer specs and think macs have no viruses/spyware.
PC=Variety of specs, options, quality, prices, vendors, support
Mac=One vendor, limited options, still more expensive. Look below for more information..

Today, Macs use a subset of PC hardware. Why spend extra to get the same CPU chips, graphics cards and OS X isn't as secure as you think..

Don't believe the lies that Macs are better than PCs at graphics/animation.. Dreamworks Animation http://www.dreamworksanimation.com/ under studio click on Technology of Animation, an independent film maker I know uses PCs, a graphic artist I used to know uses PCs also.

A number of PCs can also run OS X (Mac OS) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=os+… as well just that Apple makes it illegal in order to get Market share.. The reason why Mac can run native Windows is because it is using a subset of PC hardware,

If you decide to buy a Mac for running Windows, you will still have to get the same virus/spyware protection, and run into the same issues as a regular PC.


Now is a Mac worth buying for OS X?

I say: NO... for the following reasons...

QUALITY/PROBLEMS
Contrary to belief, Macs are not better quality. Apple also has been changing suppliers to try to "lower the price" and thus lowering quality. Even with the lower prices, Macs still cost more, they spend a higher percent of budget trying to make it look pretty, and marketing.

Sample of problems: Deleting your Data (Snow Leopard), Overheating Macbooks, OS X- not responding to keyboard, some units with 16bit screens, etc. Apple statistics are misleading since Mac users with problem machines are more likely to go out and buy a new computer than PC users. Apple is lowering prices which means you can expect lower quality than in the past. Apple had switched the manufacturers producing parts. OS X also has problems slowing down.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=5006
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-100202…
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/01/apples-qu…
http://www.appledefects.com/
http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-op…
http://cybernetnews.com/wp-content/uploa…

Repairs are more expensive than PCs since the IMac, Mac Mini are compact units, and Apple charges a premium for their services. Some repairs can be done by another repair service but the compact design of the computer causes problems.
With an IMac, if the problem is with the monitor, the whole computer would have to be brought in.
IMac and Mac mini lack expansion.

VIRUSES
Mac OS X has viruses (and significantly on the rise), a friend of mine has a virused Mac. As more users use Macs, more viruses will come out for it. Especially when users think "they are safe".
http://infosecurity.us/?p=4005
http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/archives…
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/ar…

SECURITY
Mac OS X was hacked in 2006 less than 30 minutes, and within 2 minutes in a contest in 2008, and within 10 seconds in 2009. In 2008, Linux and Vista were not hacked until another day when restrictions were lowered. Vista was next, and then Linux. In 2009 Windows 7 fell shortly after the Mac but Linux was unscathed.

Macs are standardized with Cameras, if your Mac gets hacked, the hacker can turn on your camera with more ease.
Please Note: All OS's have vulnerabilities.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/so…
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/2…
http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/1…
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft…

PRICE
A similar equipped PC is much cheaper to purchase than Mac. Lets use Dell (but you can compare with another PC Brand if you like)

**(LAPTOP)
Dell Inspiron Laptop Starting Price:€500
Ending Price: €500
15" Screen
CPU: 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo [5% slower]
Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD [Not as good/fine for general use[
Memory: 3GB DDR2 SDRAM [75% of ram)
Hard Drive: 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (same)


Cybperpower Notebook Xplorer X5-2900 Starting Price: €755
Ending Price After upgrades (not including 5% rebate):€ 860
15" Screen
CPU: (upgrade to) 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (+€100) [FASTER]
Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9600-GT 512MB [MUCH FASTER/BETTER CARD]
Memory: 4GB DDR2 SDRAM [MORE MEMORY]
Hard Drive: (upgrade to) 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (+€5) [LARGER HARD DRIVE]


Macbook Starting laptop Price: €1000
Ending Price After Upgrades: €1200
13" Screen (SMALLER)
CPU: 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (SLOWER)
Graphics: Nvidia GFORCE 9400 256MB
Memory: (upgrade to) 4GB DDR2 SDRAM (SAME)
Hard Drive (upgrade to) 320B Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (SAME)
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC24…


**(DESKTOP)

PLEASE NOTE: I compare Apple Mac's vs Dells best deal. If you really want an all-in one the Dell all-in-one has more ram, wireless keyboard and mouse and equivalent to €400 for free making the Imac still more expensive when you matching specs. Personally I don't think the All-in-Ones are a good choice, and consider them overpriced, lack expandability and repairs both more expensive and require the entire computer.

PS: Apple knows that they need to make Macintosh look different than PC so all Macs except the Mac Pro will not have a tower option. Apple's low end lacks expandability but it makes the Mac "look different", if Mac had a tower for low-end, more people would realize the similarities between the two.

Dell: (€700)
CPU: 2.33 GHZ Dell Inspiron QUAD (4 Processor) CORE
SCREEN: 20inch Screen
MEMORY: 4GB Ram
HARD DRIVE: 500 GB hard Drive
OPTICAL DRIVE: 16x DVD/CD Read/Writer
GRAPHICS: ATI Radeon HD 512MB
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/c…

The Mac Mini since it has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, very skimpy on options and setup and is not the best deal... The IMac is better price than the Mac Mini.

IMac (€1300)
CPU: 2.4 GHZ DUAL (2 Processor) CORE (SLOWER CPU)
SCREEN: 20inch Screen
MEMORY: (upgrade to) 4GB Ram (SAME)
HARD DRIVE: (upgrade to ) 320 GB hard Drive (LESS HARD DRIVE)
OPTICAL DRIVE: 8x DVD Reader/Writer (1/2 speed)
GRAPHICS: Nvidia Geforce 9400M (APPROX SAME BUT LESS MEMORY GAPHICS)
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB41…

ADVANTAGES WINDOWS :
Aprox 90% of the market is Windows and most PCs have windows already pre-installed.
1) Some websites require Internet Explorer, to run IE on Mac you really get ies4osx which is the Windows version of IE running really buggy and illegal if you don't have a legitimate copy of Windows.
2) Supports more devices (printers and other things you hook into the computer).
3) More business software/games
4) Want the dock on OS X (Mac)? google/yahoo rocketdock, objectdoc.
5) Used by businesses.

ADVANTAGES LINUX :
1) FREE (most versions are)
2) Install software by either 1) Synaptic Package Manager, 2) Add/Remove 3) Opening a .deb or .rpm file (depending on distribution)
2) Like the Mac OS X effects? go yahoo/google COMPIZ FUSION which can do any cool effect a Mac can do and many ore....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3gkX9HDf… (there is no flickering when you use it like on the video, not sure why the person has the flicker)
3) Mac OS X Doc? google/yahoo Avant Window Navigator.Cairo Dock, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rf5q_…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hzi22g2…
4) It is FASTER/MORE SECURE to surf on the internet
5) Some Windows programs work with Wnehq/Crossover (also avail on Mac, but why pay €€€)

Instructions how to download, burn and boot http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-v…
Dual Boot Instructions http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windo…

Equivalents to ILife
http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20…
http://www.xsellize.com/showthread.php?t…

FREE Windows Stuff
http://www.comodo.com/products/free_prod…
http://www.iobit.com/
http://www.ccleaner.com/
ANTI-VIRUS
Avira Antivir (FREE) for 2009 personal edition is free (there is a paid version) the free version was rated the best by consumer reports 2009.
http://www.free-av.com/ Avast (Free- Click under Free Software and download Avast Home Edition) http://www.avast.com/

ANTI-MALWARE
Windows Defender (FREE)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/product…
Malware Bytes (FREE) Limitation - No Realtime protection on free version.
http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-An…
Super Anti-Spyware (FREE)
http://download.cnet.com/SuperAntiSpywar…

LINUX INFO:
http://distrowatch.com/
http://polishlinux.org/
http://www.desktoplinux.com/
http://polishlinux.org/
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Source(s):

http://www.kubuntu.org/
http://www.freespire.org/
http://www.pclinuxos.com/
http://xwinman.org/gnome.php
http://xwinman.org/kde.php
http://www.linuxalt.com/
http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Switch…
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Switch…
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPr…

slowlydownwards

Bob_Harris wrote: »

On second thoughts, I think you were being sarcastic with your first half of the post.

Guilty as charged! Sadly W3C wouldn't push through for a specific tag, as seen here: (would avoid a lot of confusion)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5350/w3ctwitter7998492.png

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Don't get a mac, get a laptop each and keep the change

Perfectly summed up!!!:)

Cluster

Bob_Harris wrote: »

Fully qualified thank you very much.

Driving instructor?

Cluster

yoyo wrote: »

What Windows bugs are you talking about? I've yet to come across any problems in Windows 7.. Come to think about it, havn't got a blue screen in Windows 7 at all and been using it months,

Nick

erm, no specific bugs for W7 but for Windows in general there are a lot more bugs than the Mac OS gets.

I'm no Mac lover (Apple) but there laptops are good but like everyone is saying, pricey.

That ok driving instructor guy?:D

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

yoyo

Cluster wrote: »

erm, no specific bugs for W7 but for Windows in general there are a lot more bugs than the Mac OS gets.

I'm no Mac lover (Apple) but there laptops are good but like everyone is saying, pricey.

That ok driving instructor guy?:D

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

Read EKRIUQ's post to see which systems failed first, Apple was the first to be compromised by security holes so I don't understand how "OSX is less buggy", also what do you mean by driving instructor guy?

Nick

uncle_sam_ie

Christ, yet another Mac vs PC thread. Kill it now. OP, go and have a look at both then make up your own mind, you can't go wrong either way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg