Surprisingly high public support for yesterdays strikes

Bruce2008

What gets me about this whole thread is that during the 'good' times nobody gave a sh*t about what the public service, banks, builders, industrial workers, office workers etc. were earning. Most people were just too busy spending it or saving it (cute hoors).

Now the 'good' times are over, alot of these people who earned loads in the last few years are on a lot less or maybe on the dole.

Nobody has said it yet but does the word JEALOUSY make anybodys face red??????

Bruce2008

What gets me about this whole thread is that during the 'good' times nobody gave a sh*t about what the public service, banks, builders, industrial workers, office workers etc. were earning. Most people were just too busy spending it or saving it (cute hoors).

Now the 'good' times are over, alot of these people who earned loads in the last few years are on a lot less or maybe on the dole.

Nobody has said it yet but does the word JEALOUSY make anybodys face red??????

Bruce2008

Woops, didn't realise I had posted the same post three times:rolleyes: ... just trying to get the word 'Jealousy' red for effect...:rolleyes:

Jealousy!
wow you can make it bigger...
Jealousy!
and bigger...
Jealousy!
and bigger still...
now that might have some effect??? :rolleyes:

murphaph

I'm not jealous. I'm worried.

old boy

as some one who by being disabled during the years of the celtic tiger i am not one bit jelous of any one who earned any kind of money, from what i am reading most posters here from the ps seem to be taking delight on the fact that they are on a well paid pensionable job, while the majority of the country are feeling the pinch, so to them i am saying two things
1) what goes around comes around
2) have you not heard of karma.

irish_bob

K4t wrote: »

True.

There was huge support among students in my university too, many of them joining the lecturers on the picket line. Others too were supportive of the strike, although whether this was because of political reasons or the day off I'm bot sure. Great to see that the majority of Irish people are not being fooled by this right wing onslaught being propagated by certain media sources. I'm sure thursday will be just as much of a success provided it goes ahead.

most students will support any opposition campaign against goverment , they eventually grow up

the_syco

Bruce2008 wrote: »

This quote, " nothing stopped them from joining the private sector" is absolute bullsh*t.

I know. Complete and utter bullsh*t. PS people still come on here and saying that there was "nothing stopped them from joining the public sector" to us private sector. Actually, it's been flung quite a few times.

damo

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Woops, didn't realise I had posted the same post three times:rolleyes: ... just trying to get the word 'Jealousy' red for effect...:rolleyes:

Jealousy!
wow you can make it bigger...
Jealousy!
and bigger...
Jealousy!
and bigger still...
now that might have some effect??? :rolleyes:

Hey i can play that game too, lets see.....

The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


or how about


The International monetary fund.


The International monetary fund.


The International monetary fund.


I wonder how many economics teachers went on strike?

irish_bob

Bruce2008 wrote: »

What gets me about this whole thread is that during the 'good' times nobody gave a sh*t about what the public service, banks, builders, industrial workers, office workers etc. were earning. Most people were just too busy spending it or saving it (cute hoors).

Now the 'good' times are over, alot of these people who earned loads in the last few years are on a lot less or maybe on the dole.

Nobody has said it yet but does the word JEALOUSY make anybodys face red??????

thier was more money to be earned on average in the public sector during the boom than in the private sector , while the unions like to paint the average earner in the private sector as having been sean dunne and the average earner in the public sector as being mary the clerical officer from port laoise , the reality is while those who earned the most ( albeit a small minority ) were in the private sector , a higher percentage in the public sector made more than in the private sector this past decade

Bruce2008

damo wrote: »

Hey i can play that game too, lets see.....

The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


The country is bankrupt and is borrowing 500 million a week to pay the public sector.


or how about


The International monetary fund.


The International monetary fund.


The International monetary fund.


I wonder how many economics teachers went on strike?

It certainly makes a more colourful argument

Bruce2008

irish_bob wrote: »

thier was more money to be earned on average in the public sector during the boom than in the private sector , while the unions like to paint the average earner in the private sector as having been sean dunne and the average earner in the public sector as being mary the clerical officer from port laoise , the reality is while those who earned the most ( albeit a small minority ) were in the private sector , a higher percentage in the public sector made more than in the private sector this past decade

Did you ask bob the builder how much he earned during the boom times, and I include bricklayers, plumbers, electricians, etc.... serious money.... and please don't base an argument on statistics or percentages which are not posted.... if its your opinion then its your opinion... if its your understanding of the situation, then its your understanding of the situation... if its your understanding of statistics... then post the statistics!!! 95% of people surveyed in a randomly taken poll totally agreed with me on this subject... the other 5% wanted me arrested!!!

Bruce2008

Liam79 wrote: »

I joined my wife and her colleagues for their picket action yesterday, 3 hours standing in the lashing rain. I was shocked and delighted at the amount of support they received from passing motorists. I had feared for them so i came to offer morale support but i need not have! They received huge support in the form of cheers, horns and well wishes from the passing public. And listening to the various Vox Pops on the various radio stations yesterday asking the general public for their view on the strikes it was about 60/40 in support.
So well done people of Ireland. I should never have lost faith.

Liam... do you have any idea what your innocent little comment on the blessed strike has done...lol... jeez if they go ahead with another one next week the Boards servers will crash!!! Probaly blame that on the public service aswell...lol...;)

Sizzler

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Did you ask bob the builder how much he earned during the boom times, and I include bricklayers, plumbers, electricians, etc.... serious money.... and please don't base an argument on statistics or percentages which are not posted.... if its your opinion then its your opinion... if its your understanding of the situation, then its your understanding of the situation... if its your understanding of statistics... then post the statistics!!! 95% of people surveyed in a randomly taken poll totally agreed with me on this subject... the other 5% wanted me arrested!!!

Ask the county councils (PUBLIC SERVICE) how much money they reaped on levies and fees for the copious planning they granted during the boom times and yet they still had deficits for the large part, where did that money go

Bruce2008

Sizzler wrote: »

Ask the county councils (PUBLIC SERVICE) how much money they reaped on levies and fees for the copious planning they granted during the boom times and yet they still had deficits for the large part, where did that money go

As far as I know and to the best of my knowledge... That wasn't actually their take home pay that they were collecting... unless of course you know different????

So really that has nothing to do with Bob the builder and his band of merry mens' wages that I was on about... but then why should that suprise me in a country where begrudgery is alive and kicking... and breeding... ahhh.. back to the good ould days of knockin the b*st*rd that done any good....

Sizzler

Bruce2008 wrote: »

As far as I know and to the best of my knowledge... That wasn't actually their take home pay that they were collecting... unless of course you know different????

No it wasnt, it was only public money to be pissed up against the wall, don't worry lads, theres a budget there, might as well spend it, someone will cough up for it :rolleyes:

Bruce2008

Sizzler wrote: »

don't worry lads, theres a budget there, might as well spend it, someone will cough up for it :rolleyes:

Sounds like a good few private companies I've worked for..... or is it easier not to mention those good times in the PRIVATE sector!:rolleyes:

Zulu

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Sounds like a good few private companies I've worked for..... or is it easier not to mention those good times in the PRIVATE sector!:rolleyes:

You've missed the point.

The private sector is self correcting. The down turn = cut profits = cut staff/cut wages. It doesn't matter how glib the private sector was.

Bruce2008

Zulu wrote: »

You've missed the point.

The private sector is self correcting. The down turn = cut profits = cut staff/cut wages. It doesn't matter how glib the private sector was.

Everybody knows the government has to cut down on spending but jeez, the amount of bad mouthing the public sector is getting is unnatural...

if i worked for the public sector and i was reading this i would be well p*ssed off...

do the ordinary workers in the guards, hospitals, firestations, offices around the country etc. deserve this abuse?

P. Breathnach

Zulu wrote: »

... The private sector is self correcting...

No it bloody isn't. Sometimes a pithy saying encapsulates truth, and other times it misleads. This is an instance of an other time.

In "normal" circumstances, without government interference the private sector economy tends to cycle through boom and bust. That's not a satisfactory idea of self-correcting.

Then we have catastrophic events like the international banking crisis and our own domestic property bubble. They seem not to be self-correcting by any definition.

Quartet

old boy wrote: »

1) what goes around comes around
2) have you not heard of karma.

Couldn't have said it better myself.....

For every act of greed there will be payback

For every overgrasping mf there will be a time and place of reckoning

There is a wall with names on it come the revolution

irish_bob

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Did you ask bob the builder how much he earned during the boom times, and I include bricklayers, plumbers, electricians, etc.... serious money.... and please don't base an argument on statistics or percentages which are not posted.... if its your opinion then its your opinion... if its your understanding of the situation, then its your understanding of the situation... if its your understanding of statistics... then post the statistics!!! 95% of people surveyed in a randomly taken poll totally agreed with me on this subject... the other 5% wanted me arrested!!!

1st of all the average plumber or brickie didnt earn any more in the past decade than the average guard and certainly worked harder and had no comparable pension benefits , secondly , those plumbers and brickies will most likely never ( allowing for inflation ) see those kind of wages again , they benefited from a short term freak of a bubble

irish_bob

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Everybody knows the government has to cut down on spending but jeez, the amount of bad mouthing the public sector is getting is unnatural...

if i worked for the public sector and i was reading this i would be well p*ssed off...

do the ordinary workers in the guards, hospitals, firestations, offices around the country etc. deserve this abuse?

if they strike and demand to have thier boom time wages maintained in a time of deep rescesion , then yes , they deserve it , its only a contensous issue due to the fierce opposition from the public sector to cuts

Sizzler

Bruce2008 wrote: »

Sounds like a good few private companies I've worked for..... or is it easier not to mention those good times in the PRIVATE sector!:rolleyes:

That was their profit they were wasting, not public money, thats the subtle difference.

Bruce2008

Sizzler wrote: »

That was their profit they were wasting, not public money, thats the subtle difference.

So it was okay when the banks did what they did with their money because it was their profit they were wasting?

Bruce2008

irish_bob wrote: »

1st of all the average plumber or brickie didnt earn any more in the past decade than the average guard and certainly worked harder and had no comparable pension benefits , secondly , those plumbers and brickies will most likely never ( allowing for inflation ) see those kind of wages again , they benefited from a short term freak of a bubble

Over 1euro20 a brick for chr*sts sake... they creamed it ... and if they were clever enough they still have it... fair f*cks to them for making it... its hard for the ordinary worker in the workforce to make that kinda money... so when you get the chance go fot it... but when it stops don't go trying to knock someone elses wages!

Count Dooku

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No it bloody isn't. Sometimes a pithy saying encapsulates truth, and other times it misleads. This is an instance of an other time.

In "normal" circumstances, without government interference the private sector economy tends to cycle through boom and bust. That's not a satisfactory idea of self-correcting.

Then we have catastrophic events like the international banking crisis and our own domestic property bubble. They seem not to be self-correcting by any definition.

You cannot regulate anything without losing efficiency
The best solution is to put surplus into special reserve funds(as oil producing countries) and use when it necessary.
Imagine if government wouldn’t increase expenditure since 2003 and had 50 Bn cash now

P. Breathnach

Count Dooku wrote: »

You cannot regulate anything without losing efficiency

That's a "capitalism red in tooth and claw" attitude. Most of us have progressed beyond that point.

The best solution is to put surplus into special reserve funds(as oil producing countries) and use when it necessary.
Imagine if government wouldn’t increase expenditure since 2003 and had 50 Bn cash now

Remember the PDs and Charlie McCreevy? Remember Bertie? Any element of surplus had either to be spent, no matter how recklessly, or used to enable tax cuts. And the people cheered and cheered...

Count Dooku

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Remember Bertie? Any element of surplus had either to be spent, no matter how recklessly,

'I'm one of the last socialists left in Irish politics.' ( Bertie Ahern
December, 2004)

Sizzler

Bruce2008 wrote: »

So it was okay when the banks did what they did with their money because it was their profit they were wasting?

You mean the banks that were "regulated" by the public service (AKA The financial regulator). Was he on hols for a few years

spudster101

Paulzx wrote: »

Why is this a recurring question across threads? Do you want to see more firefighters killed every year so you can be satisfied we earn our wages? There are no shortage of Firefighters hurt and injured each day whilst carrying out their work. most make full recoveries and return to work. Most injuries are minor but some are long term. None of these statistics are counted.

I'll look for a few of the lads to volunteer next week to get killed on the job in order for the internet warriors on Boards to feel they're getting value for money from their Fire Services.

Maybe then this bu***hit arguement will stop

Being a fireman is a brave and noble profession without a doubt.
No1 should die on the job but just as a stat I remember doing my safe pass recently and I think the HSA recorded 18 deaths in the construction industry alone in this country in 2006. This is not even recording serious injuries which run into hundreds. I dont know what it is for firemen.
So danger is not just limit to one profession.
And basing an argument how dangerous a job is, should not be brought up in an argument about money at all. Full stop!
Its like saying I should be paid to drive on the nations roads due to high stats of road deaths because there is a higher potental to die behind the wheel.
I hope Im not being insensitive with this post but sry thats the way I see it.:(