A Big Thank You to all Limerick People

katece1121

john_cappa wrote: »

I liked the young nurse who was interviewed as she picketed with her 18 euro an hour lol. Poor girl

When times were good public sectors wanted all the wage agreements etc.....now times are bad they want to know about them

should work both ways no?

what do you think nurses shoud be paid??????? same as cashers in dunnes is it?

katece1121

DarkJager wrote: »

When the public sector starts truly suffering like people in the private sector have over the past year, then I'll have sympathy for your cause. However, while you allow cretinous unions run by equally cretinous bastards run rough shod over the economy with threats of strikes, you will get zero sympathy from me. I've lost my job twice in the past year, have taken nearly a 25% drop in income and you expect me to feel sorry for you getting a 7% pay cut? Get lost. If you don't like your job or the pay cuts, then please leave it and let someone who is genuinely willing to work take your place.

I like ther way you referenced 'over the past year'

zuroph

lol. Nice case. Any jobs going at your work? The place sounds like a dream.

furrysnookerbal

sparkysrovers wrote: »

Its funny how they give out about the Private sector when the taxes we pay go towards your wages!

And if you cant bear to live on 25k then have pity on the farmers that have to live on 13k.

Maybe you shouldnt have spent more than you earn in the boom times.

I suggest you read Rich Dad Poor Dad

Im sick my back teeth of hearing this "we pay your wages" bullsh!t. Public sector workers all pay taxes too, both direct and indirect. Are they supposed to go to likes of you with cap in hand lookng for a few alms to massage your 'greater than thou' attitude. I bet your bitter that you took that seemingly good private sector job years ago and snubbed the public service as being beneath you. And things have gone belly up for you since Well, daddy has come to roost sparky

furrysnookerbal

katece1121 wrote: »

my husband is a public service worker. I am a private sector worker for 17 years. The slaggin I gave him all that time. I had bonuses, free night out every 2 months. free christmas party every yea. hotels paid for etc. he never had any of that......my life insurance, my vhi, my pensiona was all paid for. none of that applies to public service. I have taken a 5 per cent pay cut this year and we are also on a pay freeze. but I still have a lot of perks. I also earn way more then my husband. He has taken a full 7 percent pay cut already this year....working double hard cause people have retired and not being replaced. he takes abuse from the public regularly and no he isnt a nurse a fireman a guarad. he is a clerical officer. shame on you all for the way you are speaking about these people. ye had no problems during the good times when we were all doing well. people looked down their noses at my husband for doing the job he did. Now people are saying he is lucky. he is pompous in his secure job. he hasnt the right to strike to defend his pay. How dare you make assumptions that he was in newry yesterday. This isactually making me physically sick the way you are talking. I dont know too many colleagues in my industry who are taking huge paycuts.....most people are down on commission for sales. But their basic is still standing. and those basics are either the same or a little more then my husbands. please learn the facts in these situations. also please note he has also had 1 day sick leave all year...not 15 as the statistics publicise. I have had 7. people in private sector get paid for sick leave too. as for the person whose fiancee was waiting so long for treatmentg. that is a fact of life and why people like my husband once again pay health insurance.....as do my elderly parents...who live on their pensions but have always paid health insurance. cause they felt they didnt want to wait 12 months for treatment if the need arose. In summarry this business about whingin cause you lost your job, or you never paid insurance and have to wait for treatmen behind all the other peope who also dont pay it. thats life....you make your own choices. dont slag off otherws for making theirs.

Now, that needed to be said bigtime. Well done. And where are all those people now who got the public service jobs a few years ago and never turned up to work on their first monday? I bet they offer up their first-born for the job now. (and not cause its so great, but hey its a job)

Berty

Right so:

I can understand why somebody would want to protect their wage but then again in order to protect your wage the person to your left or right must be made redundant.

So, will the public sector strike when their wages are protected but then they start cutting jobs?

Are the public sector going to be so strong in defiance of this as well and say we want our wages protected and ALL to have jobs as well?

You cannot have your cake and eat it you know.

I took a 50%ish pay cut in 2008 and Im still suffering now. Im earning less than ANY public sector employee as far as the CSO(see link) is concerned but Im not crying the poor mouth just yet.

http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

Mc Love

furrysnookerbal wrote: »

Im sick my back teeth of hearing this "we pay your wages" bullsh!t. Public sector workers all pay taxes too, both direct and indirect. Are they supposed to go to likes of you with cap in hand lookng for a few alms to massage your 'greater than thou' attitude. I bet your bitter that you took that seemingly good private sector job years ago and snubbed the public service as being beneath you. And things have gone belly up for you since Well, daddy has come to roost sparky

Ah but we do pay your wages - whether you like it or not.

I aint bitter, i never said anything about the Public sector being beneath me, looks like you need to get off your high horse. This country is in a recession, looking for a rise in income, is ridiculous. Granted you can strike all you like, its not going to change one feckin thing. The government needs money and needs it fast, although it still wont be enough, but as gov worker you are in the firing line, you must have known that when you started work?

I guess the point people here are trying to make is, that you have a job so be happy you have one and quit complaining.

premiercounty

IMO, having worked in the public sector (1 year) and the private sector (the last 14 years) both in engineering roles I think that the majority (maybe 80%) of Public Sector workers do not have to work as hard as the Private Sector workers, but a lot of them do think that they work oh so hard cos they dont really know any better.

BTW the way I left the Public Sector out of boredom, having nowt to do, sitting round half the day. Some of my fellow "workers" were really taking the p*ss and they are still there ! Would emigrate before going back tbh.

Strikes...., get real people.

Firefox10

We have a performance review twice a year. If your work is not up to scratch you get no pay rise/bonus. It's a simple as that. People are not encouraged to preform in the Public Sector because of benchmarking and the unions.

krudler

Firefox10 wrote: »

We have a performance review twice a year. If your work is not up to scratch you get no pay rise/bonus. It's a simple as that. People are not encouraged to preform in the Public Sector because of benchmarking and the unions.

Exactly, i have friends who work in the public sector and they just coast along, doing barely a tap all day, a guy i work with now used to work for one of the tax offices and he said filing 10 bits of paper was considered a hard days work by most of the people in there, its ludicrous to want more money for doing the exact same job when theres no money to be had, yes the politicians and the higher ups should be taking cuts as well, moreso than any other group, but this idea of the poor "working class" (btw working class are people who work long hard hours in manual jobs, not office clerks, thats not working class) public sector striking because they arent getting any raises is a joke

Buglim

katece1121 wrote: »

my husband is a public service worker. I am a private sector worker for 17 years. The slaggin I gave him all that time. I had bonuses, free night out every 2 months. free christmas party every yea. hotels paid for etc. he never had any of that......my life insurance, my vhi, my pensiona was all paid for. none of that applies to public service. I have taken a 5 per cent pay cut this year and we are also on a pay freeze. but I still have a lot of perks. I also earn way more then my husband. He has taken a full 7 percent pay cut already this year....working double hard cause people have retired and not being replaced. he takes abuse from the public regularly and no he isnt a nurse a fireman a guarad. he is a clerical officer. shame on you all for the way you are speaking about these people. ye had no problems during the good times when we were all doing well. people looked down their noses at my husband for doing the job he did. Now people are saying he is lucky. he is pompous in his secure job. he hasnt the right to strike to defend his pay. How dare you make assumptions that he was in newry yesterday. This isactually making me physically sick the way you are talking. I dont know too many colleagues in my industry who are taking huge paycuts.....most people are down on commission for sales. But their basic is still standing. and those basics are either the same or a little more then my husbands. please learn the facts in these situations. also please note he has also had 1 day sick leave all year...not 15 as the statistics publicise. I have had 7. people in private sector get paid for sick leave too. as for the person whose fiancee was waiting so long for treatmentg. that is a fact of life and why people like my husband once again pay health insurance.....as do my elderly parents...who live on their pensions but have always paid health insurance. cause they felt they didnt want to wait 12 months for treatment if the need arose. In summarry this business about whingin cause you lost your job, or you never paid insurance and have to wait for treatmen behind all the other peope who also dont pay it. thats life....you make your own choices. dont slag off otherws for making theirs.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....something very suspicious about this post????? If your husband is in the PS he should be getting certain perks that you have stated he is not????? My partner works in the public service and I know that they are automatically entitled to certain perks.

If your husband is a CO he is getting paid approx 30% above the national pay for an unskilled job, this is very good and doesn't include his entitlements.

I have never heard of anyone looking down their noses at PS jobs, as over the last number of years they have got a large if not larger share than most people on the ground (we will exclude the 1% who drove this country to the brink with bad investments etc, what we are talking about here is the men & women who make up the working class & middle class of this country) and have been an envious job for a number of years.


I know from me and my friends who work in the private sector that during the good times we made approx the same as your average PS worker but we have all now taken between 15% and 25% of a cut. None of us get important perk of what is practically a free pension (a private sector worker would have to invest 5 times what a public sector worker contributes to get a similar pension).

I would trade all my crap christmas parties and my VHI for a pension like this.

Please step back and look at what is happening around you, look at the dole queues. These queues are not being made up of PS workers I assure you.

Remember what I said at the beginning, I come form a house where one of the bread winners is a PS worker and even we know that it has to be done.

baza1976

furrysnookerbal wrote: »

Im sick my back teeth of hearing this "we pay your wages" bullsh!t. Public sector workers all pay taxes too, both direct and indirect. Are they supposed to go to likes of you with cap in hand lookng for a few alms to massage your 'greater than thou' attitude. I bet your bitter that you took that seemingly good private sector job years ago and snubbed the public service as being beneath you. And things have gone belly up for you since Well, daddy has come to roost sparky

Maybe he was like me and couldn't get into the public service because he didn't know someone, or his daddy didn't work in the same dept to get him in. Casue I know thats why I didn't get a job in the public service!!!!

There is no way in hell you will have the Private Service on your side not a hope. Here where I work the people who are in siptu have told their shop stewards that they are not going to support the public service. Why would I go and support "your" strike when I don't know if I'll have a job after Christmas. No matter how much you strike or take a pay cut you will still have a job.

Teachers esp make me laugh (and cry), there isn't a word out of them in June, July or August but as soon as they are back in September they are waving their sticks...... Such a joke.

As for the OP........ wake up

I say bench mark the public service agina and mark them down....

Mc Love

baza1976 wrote: »

There is no way in hell you will have the Private Service on your side not a hope. Here where I work the people who are in siptu have told their shop stewards that they are not going to support the public service. Why would I go and support "your" strike when I don't know if I'll have a job after Christmas. No matter how much you strike or take a pay cut you will still have a job.

Well you wouldnt have the Public sector coming out supporting you if you decided to strike

grenache

My mother works as a Clerical Officer for the HSE in the Regional. She went to work on Tuesday as per normal (she voted against a strike) but was told to go home as appointments were cancelled and she would not have got paid anyway. She sees the bigger picture, unlike most other civil servants. She realises that if the government was to give in to the public sector's pay demands that it would totally bankrupt the country. I can tell you she is glad to have a job in the current climate and is willing to take a pay cut. Most public sector workers are still living in the days of the Celtic Tiger. We cannot afford to keep wages as high as they have been, people must wake up to this fact.

betonit

grenache wrote: »

My mother works as a Clerical Officer for the HSE in the Regional. She went to work on Tuesday as per normal (she voted against a strike) but was told to go home as appointments were cancelled and she would not have got paid anyway. She sees the bigger picture, unlike most other civil servants. She realises that if the government was to give in to the public sector's pay demands that it would totally bankrupt the country. I can tell you she is glad to have a job in the current climate and is willing to take a pay cut. Most public sector workers are still living in the days of the Celtic Tiger. We cannot afford to keep wages as high as they have been, people must wake up to this fact.

she should bill the union for causing here to loose a days pay

Berty

There was a guy in town today outside of the Bank of Ireland asking people to sign a petition in support of the unions.

I asked him

"What do you do for a living?"
"Nothing, Im just fighting the man for the rights of the downtrodden"
"Get a job and stop mooching off Social Welfare" as I walked off!

Downtrodden, seriously FFS. Fvcking socialists!

only to be stopped, well attempted to be, by a Barnardos girl.

"Hi,(with a big hand thrust at me) Do you have a few minutes for charity?"
"Yes, but not for one that harasses me in the street"

Mc Love

Fecking chuggers!!

zuroph

If the unions succeed in protecting the wage, the only other option is to increase productivity and cut jobs. it will be the young people that lose their jobs. This is so the older people can have a higher value pension. They're dragging the younger people out on the street pretending to care about them, when really they're sacrificing them for the sake of some extra money when they retire.

Itsdacraic

I agree Zuroph, the problem with that as well is that the older people are more set in the older unproductive ways of yester year whereas the only way to really achieve an over haul of work practices in the Public Sector is with new, young energetic staff who are more open to change.

Berty

Itsdacraic wrote: »

I agree Zuroph, the problem with that as well is that the older people are more set in the older unproductive ways of yester year whereas the only way to really achieve an over haul of work practices in the Public Sector is with new, young energetic staff who are more open to change.

To be fair to the public sector the Teachers decided to use younger newly qualified teachers to do substitute work instead of the usual retired people who were doing this all along.

So, some ps exec's can take a leaf from the TUI.

Mc Love

Has Liam been on the thread since his first post?

Berty

sparkysrovers wrote: »

Has Liam been on the thread since his first post?

He has been online in another forum.

I'm not allowed link it here, sorry.

Mc Love

Berty wrote: »

He has been online in another forum.

I'm not allowed link it here, sorry.

Ha ha just seen he got rapped on the knuckles

Love the quote from frman

Is that you liam or has your wife (who is in the public service) got hold of your boards account ?

Shan75

I'd say the Govt were delighted this strike went ahead as it keeps the bitterness and fighting between Public and Private Sector at the forefront thereby allowing the real villians of the piece, FF, their rulers in the property/business owning community and their minions in the Green Party and elsewhere free to go about their business of screwing every low paid* worker in the country as much as possible.The ordinary workers in the Public Service will be hit just as the ordinary Private Sector workers have and will be while the real dead wood ensconced in senior positions within the Public Service with salaries in excess of 100K will still sleep their way through the days while awaiting their retirement and the massive pension it brings which will enable them to do the same amount of work but without having to leave the house.

* Less than the average industrial wage.

Government mind altering and control via their media in all its glory at play here.

gaf1983

I don't think so Shan75, I for one am perfectly capable of being angry at the Public Sector Unions over their self-serving strike AS WELL AS the governing coalition which pushed through NAMA which will cost the State (that's you and me) at least €11.65billion.

Aidric

sparkysrovers wrote: »

Has Liam been on the thread since his first post?

He set up the same thread over in politics. Didn't get much sympathy over there either.

ninty9er

Notice to Staff

As you are aware Public Service Unions have indicated that there will be widespread industrial action on Thursday, December 3rd. This is a national dispute and is not directed at any particular employer. UNITE members in UL voted against participating in the proposed Strike Day in a ballot carried out on Wednesday, November 25th. The Union has informed UL Management that there will be no industrial action at UL on Thursday, December 3rd. Accordingly it is anticipated that there will be no disruption to the normal operation of the University on the 3rd.