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Thoughts on this rig
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26-11-2009 12:56am#1
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If your going to overclock you would be alot safer with X58 system due to dodgy Foxconn P55 sockets. Anti just blew a i7 860 and for less that €50 in the difference I went i7 920 D0 + Gigabyte EX58-UD5 for peace of mind.
Deffo change the F1 to an F3 1TB as its the next best thing to SSD drives and not only is uber fast its really quite as well.
The HAF 932 is a really awesome case with perfect layout and the fans are nice and quite as well. It not as big as people make it out to be imho but get a tape measure and check out its size just to be sure.
Overclockers vat sucks ass but they have a huge selection of stock at the best prices when converted to Euros and the DHL delivery option is amazing. Stuff I ordered at 2pm tuesday arrived 11 am the next day
Komplett equal priced option took 4 days but if you can get to the pick up point its nice.
Heard alot of bad stories about ebuyer so checked them out by ordering a 120mm fan and 20 hours later my credit card was still in security check mode so order was cancelled and went to OC.uk and komplett for bits I needed with no hassle.0 -
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stephenmarr wrote: »budget about €900. Gf buying graphics card and case.
So is that a budget of €900 pre gpu and case?
The only difference between a modular psu and wired on is that a modular psu will not have as many cables coming from it. Now this can help airflow if you've got no cable management in the case.stephenmarr wrote: »also is a modular psu better than a hard wired one?
With your case however, there's very little reason to get one.
Some will still say you should though!stephenmarr wrote: »
also can you reccommend a second hard drive for os?
Well you could get a SSD which would speed up boot times and loading times in games.
They are quite expensive though!
So a samsung f3 would be good.
You also never said if you'll be overclocking or not... 0 -
sorry
im not up on overclocking now but want to learn more about it and have the option if i need or want to overclock.
im a bit of a neat freak so cable management will be high on my build so i will stick with modular psu
was looking at these Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ) could get 2 of them?
which RAM should i get?
as for budget i speced it all up on Hardwareversand.de and excluding GPU and heatsink (which i need a reccommendation for) it came in at
€837 ex shipping
i read somewhere the new Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD5 uses Lotes socket and the Gigabyte GA-P55-UD5 uses Foxconn sockets only €20 difference worth it?0 -
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ThisDeffo change the F1 to an F3 1TB as its the next best thing to SSD drives and not only is uber fast its really quite as well.
and this:The HAF 932 is a really awesome case with perfect layout and the fans are nice and quite as well. It not as big as people make it out to be imho but get a tape measure and check out its size just to be sure.
I agree with 100%.Overclockers vat sucks ass but they have a huge selection of stock at the best prices when converted to Euros and the DHL delivery option is amazing. Stuff I ordered at 2pm tuesday arrived 11 am the next day Komplett equal priced option took 4 days but if you can get to the pick up point its nice.
This, I'm not sure about. I've ordered stuff off overclocker before. Stuff arrived on schedule and in grand nick and all, but I had to contact customers services a number of times because their system shut me out (i.e. no confirmation, tracking, receipt) and they weren't particularly helpful (they gave me the tracking number after some hassle over the phone). So, they are great if everything goes to plan, if not it can be an ordeal and this tends to be the general experience (was in contact with a few others with similar gripes). I'm not saying not to buy from them, because i got my stuff in good time and in good order in the end. But just be warned!
After market CPU cooler is definitely advised, although the HAF airflow is that good if you don't plan overcocking you don't need a particularly good one at all. It all depends on what you want to spend on it tbh, with the HAF you can fit anything in there with room to spare, even the massive Noctua NH-D14.0 -
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stephenmarr wrote: »sorry
im not up on overclocking now but want to learn more about it and have the option if i need or want to overclock.
im a bit of a neat freak so cable management will be high on my build so i will stick with modular psu
was looking at these Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ) could get 2 of them?
which RAM should i get?
as for budget i speced it all up on Hardwareversand.de and excluding GPU and heatsink (which i need a reccommendation for) it came in at
€837 ex shipping
i read somewhere the new Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD5 uses Lotes socket and the Gigabyte GA-P55-UD5 uses Foxconn sockets only €20 difference worth it?
Avoid Foxconn sockets like the plague on P55 systems. To many reports of them going boom under stock speeds to give the benifet of the doubt to.
The Samsung F3 1TB is a faster drive overall than the 500GB version and difference in price between the two is not worth worring about tbh. Im using a F3 1TB for OS+ essentials and another for mass storage .
As for ram Iv always used the Corsair Dominator series and yet to have a problem but like all top teir gear you pay a fair wack for it. If your not going to OC the cheeper stuff is good enough.
Modular PSU is deffo the way to go as for your system you will probley only need to plug in 2 of the Sata power leads so its a HUGE amout of space saved over non modular PSUs even in a 932.0 -
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stephenmarr wrote: »Nice info guys what about cpu coolers?
ok so 1 f3 drive it is so
modular psu
p55a mobo
whats hardwareversand like to order from?
Never ordered from them as its kinda a pain in the ass with the run around you have to go through.
Running a Prolinatech Megashadow with 2 Xilence RedWing 120mm fans myself and chip is at 23c
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stephenmarr wrote: »Nice info guys what about cpu coolers
well, you could spent €80 on one, or €15 and be happy depending on your uses.
If you're serious about getting into overclocking and want the biggest and the best then the three high end coolers are the Noctua NH-D14, the Prolimatech Megahalem and the Thermalright IFX-14. The exact difference between all 3 is debatable, however the Noctua does perform better than the others at low RPMs (i.e. making less noise).
If you just want the possibility of a moderate overclock, then all those are overkill. Other's will have a much better idea than myself in this budget range, but possibilities are the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 or the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
I'm a fan of Noctua products myself, great quality, slightly fiddly assembly but very easy to mount and sturdy too. But the best thing is they operate great at low RPMs (if noise is an issue for you, you can run this near silent and still be able to overclock a bit) and they have everything you need in the box, no need to buy thermal paste, extra fans or fan mounts or additional mounting kits, whereas you can't be sure of this with the other brands.Never ordered from them as its kinda a pain in the ass with the run around you have to go through.
Running a Prolinatech Megashadow with 2 Xilence RedWing 120mm fans myself and chip is at 23c
You're house must freezing. Most i7's run about 10c over ambient i'd say, even with high end like the megahalem.0 -
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leninbenjamin wrote: »well, you could spent €80 on one, or €15 and be happy depending on your uses.
If you're serious about getting into overclocking and want the biggest and the best then the three high end coolers are the Noctua NH-D14, the Prolimatech Megahalem and the Thermalright IFX-14. The exact difference between all 3 is debatable, however the Noctua does perform better than the others at low RPMs (i.e. making less noise).
If you just want the possibility of a moderate overclock, then all those are overkill. Other's will have a much better idea than myself in this budget range, but possibilities are the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 or the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
I'm a fan of Noctua products myself, great quality, slightly fiddly assembly but very easy to mount and sturdy too. But the best thing is they operate great at low RPMs (if noise is an issue for you, you can run this near silent and still be able to overclock a bit) and they have everything you need in the box, no need to buy thermal paste, extra fans or fan mounts or additional mounting kits, whereas you can't be sure of this with the other brands.
You're house must freezing. Most i7's run about 10c over ambient i'd say, even with high end like the megahalem.
Nope nice and toasty here Megashadow + Haf932 and the Xilence fans rock :cool: 0 -
Nope nice and toasty here Megashadow + Haf932 and the Xilence fans rock :cool:
then your temps are near physically impossible?
what are you using to read temps? i used find the likes of Speed fan and other utilities were way off for the i7, the only app that game me consistent readings were one of RealTemp CoreTemp and they report it 10c above all others (I idle somewhere around 30c usually which is about average looking around the place).0 -
leninbenjamin wrote: »then your temps are near physically impossible?
what are you using to read temps? i used find the likes of Speed fan and other utilities were way off for the i7, the only app that game me consistent readings were one of RealTemp CoreTemp and they report it 10c above all others (I idle somewhere around 30c usually which is about average looking around the place).
Was using the PC health settings in bios. Im at 31-33c average with the proggys you mentioned.0 -
stephenmarr wrote: »low noise would be the best bet for me overclocking will be minimal to start with
Then my recommendation is the Noctua NH-U12P that i linked to above. It's big, but a great all round cooler. I have my i7 easily overclocked to 3.5Ghz and temps are pretty low* and all round it's pretty quiet, quiet enough for me to write a thesis without being bothered by noise at least. I dont use the low noise adapters though as the GFX card is the loudest thing in my system so there's no real point.
However, some people feel high end coolers like the Noctua products aren't worth the premium. The Scythe Mugen II
is slightly more reasonable and worth looking at.
Btw, if noise is an issue you might want to consider getting a fan controller too.
*if anyone wants the specifics the highest temps I've seen on this thing (using Prime95 Blend) is is 58c which is pretty good i think. For games and that it hardly goes above 45cWas using the PC health settings in bios. Im at 31-33c average with the proggys you mentioned.
About average so. You'll only start to see that Megahalem shine when you put it under some stress testing. 0
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