YOUR England Squad for the WC

Macca07

So, seeing as Ireland are not gonna be there, how about we try picking the England squad for the WC. 23 players.

Mine would be (all being fully fit of course)

GK. Ben Foster
GK. David James
GK. Robert Green

DF. Rio Ferdinand
DF. John Terry
DF. Ashley Cole
DF. Glen Johnson
DF. Wayne Bridge
DF. Wes Brown
DF. Matthew Upson
DF. Joleon Lescott

MD. Frank Lampard
MD. Steven Gerrard
MD. Shaun Wright-Phillips
MD. Theo Walcott
MD. Gareth Barry
MD. Owen Hargreaves
MD. David Beckham
MD. Joe Cole

FD. Wayne Rooney
FD. Jermaine Defoe
FD. Emile Heskey
FD. Michael Owen

event

David james
ben foster

Rio ferdinand
John Terry
Glen Johnson
Ashley Cole
Wes brown
Phil Jagielka
stephen warnock

Frank Lampard
Steven gerrard
Aaron lennon
Theo Walcott
Gareth Barry
Owen Hargreaves
David Beckham
Joe Cole
James Milner

Rooney
Heskey
Defoe
Crouch
Owen

applehunter

Boo!!!!

Paleface

Do people really think Michael Owen should go to the World Cup?!

Surely Darren Bent has a better chance!

JPA

Bent is much better than Defoe and SWP is simply useless.

Bandit12

Why's Micheal Owen in there? For his knowledge of the horse racing world

Fratton Fred

JPA wrote: »

Bent is much better than Defoe and SWP is simply useless.

As much as I hate to say it, I really can't see how Defoe can be left out. he is scoring for fun at the moment.

JPA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As much as I hate to say it, I really can't see how Defoe can be left out. he is scoring for fun at the moment.

10 goals against Hull (3), Wigan (5), Portsmouth (1) and West Ham (1). 1 vs Man United.

Bent has scored against Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and others.

In saying that, I think they are both limited in what they do apart from scoring. But you probably need a pure finisher and I think Bent is the best English player for that at the moment.

Corben Dallas

Go with

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James

---

-Cashley Cole--- JT

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Rio----Glen Johnson

-Joe Cole ----Lampard----Barry

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Beckham

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Bent

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Crouch

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Bench Defoe---Warnock ---Lennon ---Walcott ---Ramsey

JPA

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Go with

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James

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-Cashley Cole--- JT

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Rio----Glen Johnson

-Joe Cole ----Lampard----Barry

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Beckham

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Bent

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Crouch

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Bench Defoe---Warnock ---Lennon ---Walcott ---Ramsey

What a team and bench! No Gerrard, no Rooney and a welshman!

GavRedKing

Green
James
Hart

Cole
Johnson
Terry
Bridge
Shawcross
Ferdinand
Upson
Warnock

Lampard
Gerrard
Cole
Walcott
Barry
Hargreaves
Young
Lennon

Rooney
Bent
Defoe
Crouch

Paleface

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Go with

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James

---

-Cashley Cole--- JT

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Rio----Glen Johnson

-Joe Cole ----Lampard----Barry

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Beckham

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Bent

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Crouch

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Bench Defoe---Warnock ---Lennon ---Walcott ---Ramsey

Julez

JPA wrote: »

What a team and bench! No Gerrard, no Rooney and a welshman!

Hmmm, and the wide players are playing on the wrong sides too... ha

LowOdour

Some crap goalkeepers in that squad

SlickRic

GK: David James
GK: Robert Green
GK: Joe Hart

DF: Wes Brown
DF: Glen Johnson
DF: John Terry
DF: Rio Ferdinand
DF: Matthew Upson
DF: Phil Jagielka
DF: Ashley Cole
DF: Joleon Lescott

MF: Joe Cole
MF: Steven Gerrard
MF: Gareth Barry
MF: Frank Lampard
MF: Owen Hargreaves
MF: David Beckham
MF: James Milner
MF: Theo Walcott

FW: Wayne Rooney
FW: Jermaine Defoe
FW: Peter Crouch
FW: Darren Bent

that's f*cking difficult.

could not decide between bringing Lennon or Lescott.

owen v bent was a tough one, just because of owen's pedigree. bent won on his form.

JPA

That's possibly close SlickRic, but Lescott is playing rubbish at the mo, and Jagielka is simply not playing! Lennon will deinitely be going I reckon.

Bounty Hunter

GK: David Jamees, Rob Green, Foster

LB: A.Cole, Warnock
RB: Glen Johnson, P.Jagielka (RB/CB cover)
CB: Terry, Ferdinand, Upson

RM: Theo Walcott, Lennon
LM: Joe Cole, A.Young
CM: Gareth Barry, Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves (if fit)
Utility: James Milner

ST: Jermaine Defoe, Darren Bent
ST: Rooney, Peter Crouch

event

darren bent is not an international striker, never will be
he can score all he wants at league level, but his first touch is truly shocking. he is an ok finisher and he is quick, which will get you goals in the PL, but he would be shown up at international level. see players like michael ricketts, kevin philips, marcus stewart etc.
all scored for fun in the PL but not good enough at internation level, bent is the same unfortunately

Defoe is a better finisher and has proven in his displays for england that he can play at that level.

Owen is in mine as i can afford to take 5 strikers, as id only take two keepers.

chopperbyrne

JPA wrote: »

What a team and bench! No Gerrard, no Rooney and a welshman!

And he has everyone on the wrong side!

Boggles

event wrote: »

Owen is in mine as i can afford to take 5 strikers, as id only take two keepers.

:eek:

GavRedKing

event wrote: »

Owen is in mine as i can afford to take 5 strikers, as id only take two keepers.

AFAIK you must take 3 keepers

Edit : beating to it ^

Rekop dog

Tom Huddlestone is a must in not only the squad but the first team IMO. It's not just a reaction to the big win at the weekend, I've thought this for a long time. He's the only half decent playmaker England have since scholes retired!

For me it's the biggest problem England have had for years now. You can't just stick all your best players (lampard Gerrard) in midfield who are all too similar in their styles and hope they gel.

For example Spain left Fabragas out of most of their euro 2008 starting line ups to keep the balance right. He's probably a techniqely better player then Senna and Alonso but The manager made the tough but ultimetely right decision to leave him out.

Similar situation with Brazil. Diego can't make it into the team because Dunga sees him as too
alike kaka in his style, wheras Gilberto, Melo and Elano are all in the team because they all bring they're varying qualities to the mix that make for a balanced side!

Bounty Hunter

Rekop dog wrote: »

Tom Huddlestone is a must in not only the squad but the first team IMO....

and i stopped reading, pity im sure you may have had some good points later.

gavredking wrote:

AFAIK you must take 3 keepers

Edit : beating to it ^

well he does have Jagielka too :pac:

JPA

event wrote: »

darren bent is not an international striker, never will be
he can score all he wants at league level, but his first touch is truly shocking. he is an ok finisher and he is quick, which will get you goals in the PL, but he would be shown up at international level. see players like michael ricketts, kevin philips, marcus stewart etc.
all scored for fun in the PL but not good enough at internation level, bent is the same unfortunately

Defoe is a better finisher and has proven in his displays for england that he can play at that level.

Owen is in mine as i can afford to take 5 strikers, as id only take two keepers.

Defoe has scored 11 goals for England, just 2 against teams ranked in the world top 32. And that was in the recent friendly vs Holland.

Dont be at yourself

Keepers;

James
Green
Foster

Defence:

Ferdinand
Terry
Johnson
Cole
Upson
Jagielka
Warnock
Shawcross

Midfield:

Gerrard
Lampard
Barry
Beckham
Lennon
Joe Cole
Hargreaves
Milner


Strikers:

Heskey
Rooney
Crouch
Bent

Bent and Defoe are competing for one place, as are SWP, Walcott and Lennon.

ziggy

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GavRedKing

Why is anybody picking Foster is the big question, Hart surely should be the 3rd choice keeper behind James and Green.

Foster has never had the opportunity at United to shine for long periods but at least Hart agreed to go out on loan and try get more 1st team games and have a chance to go to the WC.

Edit : also I rate Hart better then foster and I think Hart is a better chance of being a future england number 1 then Foster IMO of course.

Dont be at yourself

ziggy wrote: »

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Because, if he is fit and is close to the same player, England have no alternative but to pick him. What are their options? Cattermole's a decent player, but hasn't played at the level Hagreaves has.

gavredking wrote: »

Why is anybody picking Foster is the big question, Hart surely should be the 3rd choice keeper behind James and Green.

Foster has never had the opportunity at United to shine for long periods but at least Hart agreed to go out on loan and try get more 1st team games and have a chance to go to the WC.

Edit : also I rate Hart better then foster and I think Hart is a better chance of being a future england number 1 then Foster IMO of course.

Hart could very well be a future number 1. However, Foster will get plenty of top level football at United this year, and that experience will stand him in his stead.

Also, it's one thing to be playing for a smaller side and having to constantly pull of saves. The England keeper, like the United keeper, will be expected to maintain high levels of concentration and awareness even if there's large portions of the match where nothing's coming his way.

event

gavredking wrote: »

AFAIK you must take 3 keepers

Edit : beating to it ^

no, you dont have to take 3 keepers

Boggles wrote: »

:eek:

not that big a deal

id like to see how many times has the 3rd choice keeper played in the world cup finals through necessity

Dont be at yourself

id like to see how many times has the 3rd choice keeper played in the world cup finals through necessity

Better to have one and not need one than need one and not have one.

JPA

event wrote: »

no, you dont have to take 3 keepers



not that big a deal

id like to see how many times has the 3rd choice keeper played in the world cup finals through necessity

It's hardly inconceivable that a keeper could get sent off, then suspended, the 2nd choice gets injured in the next game and then you're fooked.

event

JPA wrote: »

Defoe has scored 11 goals for England, just 2 against teams ranked in the world top 32. And that was in the recent friendly vs Holland.

how many has darren bent?

IIRC, in something like the last 4 sub appearances, he has scored goals from the bench. this is what he will be used as, an impact sub and he can do that perfectly

SlickRic

JPA wrote: »

That's possibly close SlickRic, but Lescott is playing rubbish at the mo, and Jagielka is simply not playing! Lennon will deinitely be going I reckon.

Lescott is still good on his day, and more importantly Capello likes him. added to that, he can play left back, and is better there than Wayne Bridge imo.

if Jagielka can get fit and playing regularly he should go. top quality.

if that doesn't happen, then i'd bring the extra midfielder (Lennon), and Barry can slot in as a reserve LB if need be.

event

JPA wrote: »

It's hardly inconceivable that a keeper could get sent off, then suspended, the 2nd choice gets injured in the next game and then you're fooked.

sure its hardly inconceivable that ye could have two strikers injured and one sent off, does that mean you take 5/6?

its a risk you take and when you look at the odds, i think its worth it

seriously, can anyone find the amount of times that the first 2 choice keepers have been unavailable in the WC?

event

SlickRic wrote: »

Lescott is still good on his day, and more importantly Capello likes him. added to that, he can play left back, and is better there than Wayne Bridge imo.

if Jagielka can get fit and playing regularly he should go. top quality.

if that doesn't happen, then i'd bring the extra midfielder (Lennon), and Barry can slot in as a reserve LB if need be.

milner has been used there by capello as well, i rekcon thats a big part in him going

JPA

SlickRic wrote: »

Lescott is still good on his day, and more importantly Capello likes him. added to that, he can play left back, and is better there than Wayne Bridge imo.

if Jagielka can get fit and playing regularly he should go. top quality.

if that doesn't happen, then i'd bring the extra midfielder (Lennon), and Barry can slot in as a reserve LB if need be.

3 keepers, 8 defenders, (2 RB, 2 LB, 4 CB), 8 Midfielders (4 Wide, 4 central), 4 strikers.
I don't think there's any need to complicate it. Warnock will bypass Bridge as back up LB.

SlickRic

JPA wrote: »

Warnock will bypass Bridge as back up LB.

and Baines should go before Warnock.

sometimes there is a need to complicate it, because if players are versatile and can act as reserves in certain positions, it frees up space in other areas of the squad.

for example bringing an extra creative player, or impact player like carlton cole, owen et al.

GavRedKing

About the keeper discussion, id rather have the option of having 3 keepers available to me then having only 2. Your not going play one of your outfield players on goal at a WC final no matter who he is.

Rememeber you can always change your formation to suit certain players if a midfielder or forward gets injured and you have to play some one out of position but on gaol at WC thats a bit mad Id bring 3 all day long, and no I cant give you any team off the top of my head that lost both 1st and 2nd keepers, but just incase ya know.:)

JPA

SlickRic wrote: »

and Baines should go before Warnock.

sometimes there is a need to complicate it, because if players are versatile and can act as reserves in certain positions, it frees up space in other areas of the squad.

for example bringing an extra creative player, or impact player like carlton cole, owen et al.

Why wasn't Baines selected in the last squad then?

There's already ersatile players in Milner, Walcott, Barry, Gerrard, Joe Cole, Rooney.

Xavi6

GK. Joe Hart
GK. David James
GK. Robert Green

DF. Rio Ferdinand
DF. John Terry
DF. Ashley Cole
DF. Glen Johnson
DF. Wayne Bridge
DF. Wes Brown
DF. Matthew Upson
DF. Nedum Onuoha

MD. Frank Lampard
MD. Steven Gerrard
MD. Aaron Lennon
MD. Theo Walcott
MD. Gareth Barry
MD. James Milner
MD. David Beckham
MD. Joe Cole

FD. Wayne Rooney
FD. Jermaine Defoe
FD. Emile Heskey
FD. Peter Crouch

SlickRic

JPA wrote: »

Why wasn't Baines selected in the last squad then?

baines is just my personal opinion if it was ever a straight choice between Warnock, Bridge and him.

there are versatile players already, but when the likes of a lescott are as good as a left back as a Bridge, you may as well bring him because he also plays CB.

bobbysands81

Don't care what their team is just hope they're beaten in every game.

:D:D:D:D

Xavi6

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Don't care what their team is just hope they're beaten in every game.

:D:D:D:D

Yep, 800 years and all that :rolleyes:

patmac

Gordon Banks
Ray Wilson
George Cohen
Bobby Moore (RIP)
Jackie Charlton
Nobby Stiles
Martin Peters
Alan Ball
Bobby Charlton
Geoff Hurst
Roger Hunt

SlickRic

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Don't care what their team is just hope they're beaten in every game.

:D:D:D:D

do you support an English Premier League team?

Dont be at yourself

Xavi6 wrote: »

DF. Wayne Bridge

DF. Nedum Onuoha

MD. Gareth Barry

What, no Micah Richards?

Xavi6

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

What, no Micah Richards?

Hell no.

Or Lescott.

(You forgot to highlight Joe Hart. Still technically ours as well )

SlickRic

to be fair though,

Hart should be well ahead of Foster.

bobbysands81

SlickRic wrote: »

do you support an English Premier League team?

No, why would I?

Were you going to point out the dichotomy of supporting a club team and not supporting their national side? Terribly weak argument if you were.

SlickRic

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Were you going to point out the dichotomy of supporting a club team and not supporting their national side? Terribly weak argument if you were.

not really.

if you did support and english League team, support its players as well, i'd find it ludicrous to want those same players to fail on the world stage. players representing in all essence, a league you'd be supporting on a weekly basis.

also they're our closest team, and supported us quite vehemently in the last world cup we were in.

Xavi6

bobbysands81 wrote: »

No, why would I?

Were you going to point out the dichotomy of supporting a club team and not supporting their national side? Terribly weak argument if you were.

So then why do you hope they lose every game?