YOUR England Squad for the WC

bobbysands81

SlickRic wrote: »

not really.

if you did support and english League team, support its players as well, i'd find it ludicrous to want those same players to fail on the world stage. players representing in all essence, a league you'd be supporting on a weekly basis.

also they're our closest team, and supported us quite vehemently in the last world cup we were in.

ergo you support all your club's players after they leave your club or is it just the club you support? Do you support all the National teams of all the players that play and have played for your club as well... or do you just support the club?

Players, club and country - all different, you might argue their linked but not in my mind.

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

not really.

if you did support and english League team, support its players as well, i'd find it ludicrous to want those same players to fail on the world stage. players representing in all essence, a league you'd be supporting on a weekly basis.

also they're our closest team, and supported us quite vehemently in the last world cup we were in.

So SlicRic, if I remember correctly you are a Liverpool supporter?? So you will be supporting England, Spain, Holland, Brazil, Argentina ...... am I forgetting anyone! Oh lucky you you will have such fun watching the world cup :rolleyes:

I also will be cheering for the opposition in every game England play at the world cup and make no apologies for it, watch a few of the build up programmes on BBC or read a few of their papers in the build up and you might see why

bobbysands81

Xavi6 wrote: »

So then why do you hope they lose every game?

Why would I want them to do well?

To keep it just to do with soccer...

Their fans are possibly the worst behaved in international football. (A generalisation I know and unfair to the many decent folks that support them).

The last time they played Ireland their fans rioted thus causing the game to be called off - why would any Irish fan support them as a result???

They accord no respect to visiting team's anthems.

They sing xenophobic songs at the Germans the whole time.

They have a hardcore of fans who absolutely despise blacks/Jews/Irish etc...

Their soccer media are abhorrent.

I could go on...

I just don't understand why Irish people feel the need to fawn over something which hates us, it is a typical Irish trait though.

I'll bow out of this thread now and leave you guys be in your fawning.

Xavi6

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Why would I want them to do well?

To keep it just to do with soccer...

Their fans are possibly the worst behaved in international football. (A generalisation I know and unfair to the many decent folks that support them).

The last time they were here they rioted thus causing the game to be called off.

They accord no respect to visiting team's anthems.

They sing xenophobic songs at the Germans the whole time.

They have a hardcore of fans who absolutely despise blacks/Jews/Irish etc...

Their soccer media are abhorrent.

I could go on...

I just don't understand why Irish people feel the need to fawn over something which hates us, it is a typical Irish trait though.

I'll bow out of this thread now and leave you guys be in your fawning.

Ah yes, because the jolly good green army would never, ever involve themselves in anything remotely like the above. They certainly wouldn't jeer a player, the wrong player in fact, because he once turned out for a Scottish team that plays in blue for example.

It's a mighty fine horse you're up on there. Best you do bow out before there's a nasty fall.

patmac

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Don't care what their team is just hope they're beaten in every game.

:D:D:D:D

Unless of course they are playing the French:D

Rondolfus

Well this is the English team I'd like to see

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Carson

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Gary Neville

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Bramble

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Calum Davenport

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Greg Halford




Beckham

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Joey Barton

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Lee Bowyer

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Luke Chadwick

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Michael Owen

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John Stead

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SlickRic

premierstone wrote: »

So SlicRic, if I remember correctly you are a Liverpool supporter?? So you will be supporting England, Spain, Holland, Brazil, Argentina ...... am I forgetting anyone! Oh lucky you you will have such fun watching the world cup :rolleyes:

no i'm supporting england and spain. i don't support every player's individual country.

i'll keep an eye on the countries like Argentina and Holland to see how the likes of Masch and Dirk do, but i won't actively support them.

i'll support england because our close affinities, and Steven Gerrard.

i'll support Spain because of the football they play, and Fernando Torres.

premierstone wrote: »

I also will be cheering for the opposition in every game England play at the world cup and make no apologies for it, watch a few of the build up programmes on BBC or read a few of their papers in the build up and you might see why

yes, because our media would never be insanely biased towards Ireland if we were in the World Cup. :rolleyes:

take a look at the hatred spewed at Henry last week. looking at those were as bad, if not worse, than anything english media could come up with.

when you watch the BBC, you're watching a station that broadcasts to, um, England. they're entitled to talk up their own chances. we would too in their position.

Rondolfus

SlickRic wrote: »

take a look at the hatred spewed at Henry last week. looking at those were as bad, if not worse, than anything english media could come up with.

In fairness, if Henry had handled the ball to deny England a place in the world cup, there would have been deaths in Paris that night.

SlickRic

Rondolfus wrote: »

In fairness, if Henry had handled the ball to deny England a place in the world cup, there would have been deaths in Paris that night.

true, but that's not my point.

we're all biased.

people can't have a go at the english media for wanting the english football team to do well. it's simply, imo, not a good reason to dislike them.

Rondolfus

SlickRic wrote: »

true, but that's not my point.

we're all biased.

people can't have a go at the english media for wanting the english football team to do well. it's simply, imo, not a good reason to dislike them.

Yea I know but its a relevant point as to why many, not only in Ireland, but throughout Europe want to see them fail. Their fans have a history of trouble making.

Things have obviously improved in recent years ( Thanks to severe security measures) however the threat of English fans tearing the place up if things don't go their way is ever present. The numerous films glorifying football hoolganism has done nothing to improve the situation.

Unofrtunately for the hooligans, South Africa is not really the place you wanna "kick off" in.

orourkeda

JPA wrote: »

What a team and bench! No Gerrard, no Rooney and a welshman!

with 4 players out of position

orourkeda

Rondolfus wrote: »

Yea I know but its a relevant point as to why many, not only in Ireland, but throughout Europe want to see them fail. Their fans have a history of trouble making.

Things have obviously improved in recent years ( Thanks to severe security measures) however the threat of English fans tearing the place up if things don't go their way is ever present. The numerous films glorifying football hoolganism has done nothing to improve the situation.

Unofrtunately for the hooligans, South Africa is not really the place you wanna "kick off" in.

If the press hype is used as a justification for wanting the English to fail, why do people swallow our own medias hype.

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

i'll support england because our close affinities, and Steven Gerrard.

i'll support Spain because of the football they play, and Fernando Torres

So basically you will just support the countries of the anyway competent players at the club, pity Aquilani hasnt made more of an impact then you would have three big European teams to support :rolleyes:

By the way what would your advise be to any Arsenal fans from Ireland be?? Wenger, Sagna, Clichy, Nasri, Gallas - all scum from June to July but welcome back with open arms in August??

If you cant seperate club football from International then its you that has the problem not someone like myself or Bobby who will openly cheer England inevitable demise

SlickRic

Rondolfus wrote: »

Yea I know but its a relevant point as to why many, not only in Ireland, but throughout Europe want to see them fail. Their fans have a history of trouble making.

that's a different story.

not wanting their hooligan fans to taste success is fair enough.

personally i still want the team do well, but still, i take your point.

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

that's a different story.

not wanting their hooligan fans to taste success is fair enough.

personally i still want the team do well, but still, i take your point.

Surely you cant seperate the two though, its far easier to seperate club football from international football than to seperate international football fans from international football?

SlickRic

premierstone wrote: »

So basically you will just support the countries of the anyway competent players at the club, pity Aquilani hasnt made more of an impact then you would have three big European teams to support :rolleyes:

By the way what would your advise be to any Arsenal fans from Ireland be?? Wenger, Sagna, Clichy, Nasri, Gallas - all scum from June to July but welcome back with open arms in August??

If you cant seperate club football from International then its you that has the problem not someone like myself or Bobby who will openly cheer England inevitable demise

wtf are you on about?

Gerrard and Torres are my two favourite players at the English club i support. plus i like the Spanish style of football. if that's not a good reason to support those two national teams at the WC, then f*ck me.

i don't have advice for Irish Arsenal fans on that. but if someone wants to support France because his favourite player is one of those players, or Henry for that matter, or they like the French style of football, well then, that's their prerogative.

you can seperate club and international football if you want. that's fine. that's your prerogative.

i personally just don't get hating the English since we support their league passionately, they're our neighbours, there's no animosity anymore and they support us. the bias of their media is a sh*t reason too. as i've said any country's media is biased towards their own.

event

anyone wanna get back to discussing the england squad you'd pick and not the pettyness of some people?

Kenteach

SlickRic wrote: »

wtf are you on about?

Gerrard and Torres are my two favourite players at the English club i support. plus i like the Spanish style of football. if that's not a good reason to support those two national teams at the WC, then f*ck me.

If Ireland had qualified, who would you 'support'?

SlickRic

Kenteach wrote: »

If Ireland had qualified, who would you 'support'?

who do you think?

do you not have 2nd teams and 3rd teams?

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

wtf are you on about?

Gerrard and Torres are my two favourite players at the English club i support. plus i like the Spanish style of football. if that's not a good reason to support those two national teams at the WC, then f*ck me.

i don't have advice for Irish Arsenal fans on that. but if someone wants to support France because his favourite player is one of those players, or Henry for that matter, or they like the French style of football, well then, that's their prerogative.
you can seperate club and international football if you want. that's fine. that's your prerogative.

i personally just don't get hating the English since we support their league passionately, they're our neighbours, there's no animosity anymore and they support us. the bias of their media is a sh*t reason too. as i've said any country's media is biased towards their own.

Now see we are finally making progress yes it is our prerogative to celebrate Englands failures and will continue to do so, you dont get why anyone would do this then good for you thats your prerogative I guess

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

who do you think?

do you not have 2nd teams and 3rd teams?

No, Im not 12 anymore you see, I like football I dont need to have a favouritest team in every match :rolleyes:

SlickRic

premierstone wrote: »

Now see we are finally making progress yes it is our prerogative to celebrate Englands failures and will continue to do so, you dont get why anyone would do this then good for you thats your prerogative I guess

of course it is.

i never claimed it wasn't.

i was just trying to understand the reasons behind hating the English and discussing them. i still don't agree with the reasons, and think they're slightly petty if i'm honest, apart from the hooligan fans reason, but that's fine i guess.

it's a tangent that's probably going off topic at this stage though.

premierstone

SlickRic wrote: »

of course it is.

i never claimed it wasn't.

i was just trying to understand the reasons behind hating the English and discussing them. i still don't agree with the reasons, and think they're slightly petty if i'm honest, apart from the hooligan fans reason, but that's fine i guess.

it's a tangent that's probably going off topic at this stage though.

Fair enough we will leave it at that and agree to disagree and accept each others reasons

SlickRic

premierstone wrote: »

No, Im not 12 anymore you see, I like football I dont need to have a favouritest team in every match :rolleyes:

ha.

good one.

iregk

Never thought I'd see the day when a thread appears on the football forum that I couldn't give a flying fcuk about!

premierstone

iregk wrote: »

Never thought I'd see the day when a thread appears on the football forum that I couldn't give a flying fcuk about!

But still felt the need to post on it?? Says more about yourself really dont you think?

Fratton Fred

event wrote: »

darren bent is not an international striker, never will be
he can score all he wants at league level, but his first touch is truly shocking. he is an ok finisher and he is quick, which will get you goals in the PL, but he would be shown up at international level. see players like michael ricketts, kevin philips, marcus stewart etc.
all scored for fun in the PL but not good enough at internation level, bent is the same unfortunately

Defoe is a better finisher and has proven in his displays for england that he can play at that level.

Owen is in mine as i can afford to take 5 strikers, as id only take two keepers.

good post. not sure i would go with two keepers though. especially if James is as crocked as he appears to be.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Don't care what their team is just hope they're beaten in every game.

:D:D:D:D

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Why would I want them to do well?

To keep it just to do with soccer...

Their fans are possibly the worst behaved in international football. (A generalisation I know and unfair to the many decent folks that support them).

The last time they played Ireland their fans rioted thus causing the game to be called off - why would any Irish fan support them as a result???

They accord no respect to visiting team's anthems.

They sing xenophobic songs at the Germans the whole time.

They have a hardcore of fans who absolutely despise blacks/Jews/Irish etc...

Their soccer media are abhorrent.

I could go on...

I just don't understand why Irish people feel the need to fawn over something which hates us, it is a typical Irish trait though.

I'll bow out of this thread now and leave you guys be in your fawning.

I think there is only one xenophobe around these parts.

what about these scumbag supporters

I think this bunch like a good punch up as well, they certainly know how to piss off the away fans

event

Fratton Fred wrote: »

good post. not sure i would go with two keepers though. especially if James is as crocked as he appears to be.

yeah he does seem a bit troubled lately

but i think the benefits a 5th striker can give outweighs the risk of only taking 2 keepers

Bobalicious93

Goalkeepers:

David James
Robert Green
Ben Foster

Defenders:

Glen Johnson
John Terry
Rio Ferdinand
Ashley Cole
Matthew Upson
Leighton Baines
Phil Jagielka
Wayne Bridge

Midfielders:

Frank Lampard
Steven Gerrard
Owen Hargreaves
Gareth Barry
David Beckham
Aaron Lennon
Shaun Wright-Philips

Forwards:

Wayne Rooney
Jermain Defoe
Darren Bent
Peter Crouch
Michael Owen

Looks good to me, though I've probably forgotten someone. I left Lescott out to bring Owen in, purely because I really don't rate Lescott. And I realise there's only 3 out-and-out wingers in that squad, but I feel Hargreaves and Rooney could provide more than adequate cover on the right and left respectively.

Though Heskey will be in the actual squad unfortunately.

EDIT: Added in Bridge when I realised I only had 22

event

well heskey will be in the squad because he is vital to the way england plays
capello doesnt care that he doesnt score, thats why he has rooney, lampard ang gerrard alll buzzing around him

jesus_thats_gre

English team that I would love them to put out is:

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James

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Johnson

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Terry

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Ferdinand

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Cole

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Barry

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Gerrard

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Lampard

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--Lennon

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Rooney--

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Bent/Defoe

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Barry is lacking a bit as a holding midfielder but I think he would do the job.

Bobalicious93

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

English team that I would love them to put out is:

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James

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Johnson

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Terry

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Ferdinand

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Cole

---

Barry

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---

Gerrard

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Lampard

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--Lennon

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Rooney--

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Bent/Defoe

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Barry is lacking a bit as a holding midfielder but I think he would do the job.

You put 3 in the middle purely to get Gerrard in didn't you?

SlickRic

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

You put 3 in the middle purely to get Gerrard in didn't you?

i doubt it.

since he's at least as good as Lampard in the centre, and probably better than Lennon on the right.

plus plenty of teams (i.e. utd on plenty of occasions), play 3 in the middle.

rooney on the left is the funny one imo.

jesus_thats_gre

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

You put 3 in the middle purely to get Gerrard in didn't you?

Haha no. The formation makes sense in my opinion. If England had some one like Masch or Essien, it would be perfect.

SlickRic wrote: »

i doubt it.

since he's at least as good as Lampard in the centre, and probably better than Lennon on the right.

plus plenty of teams (i.e. utd on plenty of occasions), play 3 in the middle.

rooney on the left is the funny one imo.

I think that this is stronger than having Rooney playing the role that Gerrard play at Liverpool. I also think that playing Rooney on the left and Gerrard in the centre is stronger than playing Gerrard on the left or right and Rooney in the centre.

To be honest, both players are so good that that can play any position across the front line and render the likes of Lennon, Walcott, Young and Milner redundant in whatever position you put them.


A diamond system similar to what Chelsea play might be useful too:

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James

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Johnson

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Terry

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Ferdinand

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Cole

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Barry

---

---

Gerrard

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Lampard

---

---

Rooney

---

---

Bent/Defoe

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Crouch

---

Bandit12

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

You put 3 in the middle purely to get Gerrard in didn't you?

Sure he did :rolleyes:

Kenteach

SlickRic wrote: »

who do you think?

do you not have 2nd teams and 3rd teams?

No I don't! I support my team, then I watch the rest with interest!

Anyway, might as well contribute to the thread topic.

3 Keepers are a given. One injured or suspended, you need one to cover the bench. And in a squad of 22, you always have 2 or 3 at least who will never play, so sacrificing a keeper to include another passenger could bite you in the ....

Guy:Incognito

JPA wrote: »

It's hardly inconceivable that a keeper could get sent off, then suspended, the 2nd choice gets injured in the next game and then you're fooked.

Especially when one of you keepers is old and has injured himself in the warm up a couple of times in the last year.

Mezcita

Stekelly wrote: »

Especially when one of you keepers is old and has injured himself in the warm up a couple of times in the last year.

Their real weakness seems to be with their goalkeepers now.

James is getting on and always something of a liability. Foster seems a bit rubbish despite how Ferguson talks him up all the time and Green is simply okay.

iregk

premierstone wrote: »

But still felt the need to post on it?? Says more about yourself really dont you think?

no not especially but thanks for worrying.

ctrl-alt-delete

GK. David James (1st Choice)
GK. Paul Robinson (Sub)
GK. Joe Hart (For experience for future WC)

DF. Rio Ferdinand (1st Choice)
DF. John Terry (1st Choice + captain)
DF. Ashley Cole (1st Choice)
DF. Glen Johnson (1st Choice)
DF. Matthew Upson (1st Choice)
DF. Wayne Bridge (Sub)
DF. Wes Brown (Sub)
DF. Joleon Lescott (Sub)


MD. Frank Lampard (1st Choice)
MD. Steven Gerrard (1st Choice)
MD. Aaron Lennon (Sub)
MD. Theo Walcott (Sub)
MD. Gareth Barry (1st Choice)
MD. Joe Cole (Sub)
MD. Jermaine Jenas (Sub)
MD. Michael Carrick (Sub)

FD. Wayne Rooney (1st Choice)
FD. Jermaine Defoe (Sub)
FD. Peter Crouch (1st Choice)
FD. Darren Bent (Sub)

And my first team lines out as follows,



I'm not saying i'd win the WC, but i'd give it a good go, and if the F.A. are reading this i'm available

Fratton Fred

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

GK. David James (1st Choice)
GK. Paul Robinson (Sub)
GK. Joe Hart (For experience for future WC)

DF. Rio Ferdinand (1st Choice)
DF. John Terry (1st Choice + captain)
DF. Ashley Cole (1st Choice)
DF. Glen Johnson (1st Choice)
DF. Matthew Upson (1st Choice)
DF. Wayne Bridge (Sub)
DF. Wes Brown (Sub)
DF. Joleon Lescott (Sub)


MD. Frank Lampard (1st Choice)
MD. Steven Gerrard (1st Choice)
MD. Aaron Lennon (Sub)
MD. Theo Walcott (Sub)
MD. Gareth Barry (1st Choice)
MD. Joe Cole (Sub)
MD. Jermaine Jenas (Sub)
MD. Michael Carrick (Sub)

FD. Wayne Rooney (1st Choice)
FD. Jermaine Defoe (Sub)
FD. Peter Crouch (1st Choice)
FD. Darren Bent (Sub)

And my first team lines out as follows,



I'm not saying i'd win the WC, but i'd give it a good go, and if the F.A. are reading this i'm available

Take off Upson and bring on Defoe if England are losing and play 4-3-3.

I like it.

slingerz

GK. David James
GK. Paul Robinson
GK. Robert Green

DF. Rio Ferdinand
DF. John Terry
DF. Ashley Cole
DF. Glen Johnson
DF. Matthew Upson
DF. Wayne Bridge
DF. Wes Brown
DF. Joleon Lescott


MD. Frank Lampard
MD. Steven Gerrard
MD. Aaron Lennon
MD. Ashley Young
MD. Gareth Barry
MD. Joe Cole
MD. Owen Hargreaves
MD. Michael Carrick

FD. Wayne Rooney
FD. Jermaine Defoe
FD. Peter Crouch
FD. Darren Bent

mormank

premierstone wrote: »

No, Im not 12 anymore you see, I like football I dont need to have a favouritest team in every match :rolleyes:

aww good for you..and when exactly did you turn 13 big guy?? :P

mormank

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

Goalkeepers:

David James
Robert Green
Ben Foster

Defenders:

Glen Johnson
John Terry
Rio Ferdinand
Ashley Cole
Matthew Upson
Leighton Baines
Phil Jagielka
Wayne Bridge

Midfielders:

Frank Lampard
Steven Gerrard
Owen Hargreaves
Gareth Barry
David Beckham
Aaron Lennon
Shaun Wright-Philips

Forwards:

Wayne Rooney
Jermain Defoe
Darren Bent
Peter Crouch
Michael Owen

Looks good to me, though I've probably forgotten someone. I left Lescott out to bring Owen in, purely because I really don't rate Lescott. And I realise there's only 3 out-and-out wingers in that squad, but I feel Hargreaves and Rooney could provide more than adequate cover on the right and left respectively.

Though Heskey will be in the actual squad unfortunately.

EDIT: Added in Bridge when I realised I only had 22

too many left backs. this will 100% not be the squad taken

simonw

Rondolfus wrote: »

Well this is the English team I'd like to see

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Carson

---

Gary Neville

---

Bramble

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Calum Davenport

---

Greg Halford




Beckham

---

Joey Barton

---

Lee Bowyer

---

Luke Chadwick

---

Michael Owen

---

John Stead

---

Get Jimmy Bullard in there and I'd follow them to the ends of the earth (South Africa)

Mr.Nice Guy

I would go with this (with the first team players in bold):

GK. Rob Green
GK. David James
GK. Joe Hart

DF. Rio Ferdinand
DF. John Terry
DF. Ashley Cole
DF. Glen Johnson
DF. Matthew Upson
DF. Wes Brown
DF. Joleon Lescott

MD. Frank Lampard
MD. Steven Gerrard
MD. Aaron Lennon
MD. Ashley Young
MD. Gareth Barry
MD. Michael Carrick
MD. David Beckham
MD. Joe Cole
MD. James Milner

FD. Wayne Rooney
FD. Jermaine Defoe
FD. Peter Crouch
FD. Carlton Cole