Fine Gael announce something

bealtine

http://www.finegael.org/upload/NewERA.pdf

There's a piece about broadband in there...sounds good and all that but needs a critical eye to see if these ideas are runners.

Sponge Bob

This is about what would be achievable in a functioning knowledge economy and by 2013 .

If FG are serious about it they will have an expert steering group in place within the next month to plan and co ordinate, the Dept of Communications is a disaster area that cannot plan or implement its next teabreak

Broadband 21 will amalgamate and build out the diverse telecom assets of existing
state companies, including Bord Gáis, CIE, ESB and the MANs (managed by Enet for
the State), to create a new, pan-national, open-access, next generation broadband
network. The associated investment will be paid back by leasing our capacity to
telecoms carriers and directly to home and business customers.
The vast bulk of Broadband 21’s €1.8 billion investment in telecoms will be used to
drive investment in the so-called “last mile” of the network – the link from the
exchange in the town to the cabinet on the street, and from the cabinet on the
street to the home. In most areas, this part of the network is still low-capacity
copper wire, and is the major obstacle to high-speed broadband connectivity.
Broadband 21 will enter into discussions with other telecom and cable companies
(with a specific focus on Eircom) to upgrade this last mile infrastructure to fibre in
the most highly populated areas of the country. We believe that up to 1 million Irish
homes can be connected to fibre over the next four years.

CelticTigress

Next generation broadband? I'd be happy to even get first generation broadband.

:rolleyes:

Sponge Bob

Please note that FG only propose to fibre 1m out of 1.6m homes and that 1m is the urban or near urban portion . I would think that only 20% of the land area of the state is covered.

bk

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Please note that FG only propose to fibre 1m out of 1.6m homes and that 1m is the urban or near urban portion . I would think that only 20% of the land area of the state is covered.

Which in fairness is a realistic and achievable goal. With enough fibre in place, more rural areas can be adequately served using LTE or other similar wireless technology.

Sponge Bob

bk wrote: »

Which in fairness is a realistic and achievable goal. With enough fibre in place, more rural areas can be adequately served using LTE or other similar wireless technology.

Totally agreed, if they cannot sort out the first 1m homes there is no chance for the rest save where they do it themselves as I advocate they do .

Does anybody know who actually cooked this plan up ??

bealtine

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Totally agreed, if they cannot sort out the first 1m homes there is no chance for the rest save where they do it themselves as I advocate they do .

Does anybody know who actually cooked this plan up ??

I do...

It came from Simon Coveny's office but the actual real author was in touch
with me during the week.

clohamon

The usual problems apply:

• EU state-aid hurdles seem to have been ignored. Co-funding (which seems to be implied) or public/private competition are both problem areas; even the preferential borrowing terms available to state-backed companies are a market distortion.
• Unresolved conflict between a purely commercial mandate (again implied) and wider public objectives or political expediency. (c.f. Aer Lingus)

and;

• What transfers to NewEra? is it just a right of way or does it include land and plant.
• Who maintains the amalgamated state assets? Does maintenance and upgrade work have to be coordinated across four or five state companies or do staff transfer also?
• Is the ESB Esot share devalued by the transfer? Does it have to be compensated?

Sponge Bob

**** the ESB ESOT and every other ESOT , these parasites have a guaranteed job and pension

watty

bk wrote: »

Which in fairness is a realistic and achievable goal. With enough fibre in place, more rural areas can be adequately served using LTE or other similar wireless technology.

Not LTE. It's Mobile. It can't deliver real Broadband all the time and for many users only entry level 1Mbps reliably, IF it has 4x the spectrum per area of current 3G/HSDPA. Only good quality Fixed Wirless (already available), with decent amount of spectrum. Mobile is wasteful (x16) for Fixed users.

rob808

They could give 1.8 billion to h20 network which will be in ireland in 2010 were they would put fibre through the sewers and the connect them to people house for way cheaper than digging up roads they could properly cover half of ireland with that money way better than vdsl2,though this never happen but h20 start building it network in summer 2010 some were in dublin first FTTH.

Sponge Bob

Sorry , do you mean this lot , H2O are coming to Dublin next year ???

watty

We have septic tanks, not sewers where we need more BB.

Apparently maybe 400,000 of them...

Of course about 12 years ago the EU said we ought to sort out the Water & Sewage.

rob808

watty wrote: »

We have septic tanks, not sewers where we need more BB.

Apparently maybe 400,000 of them...

Of course about 12 years ago the EU said we ought to sort out the Water & Sewage.

IM sorry not following you maybe you be more clear as what you mean.