Republic ask for extra cup place

Leeside

I don't think the FAI would have asked for this unless they got either a strong hint from FIFA to do so, or they checked out beforehand what the reaction was likely to be and got positive vibes.

I'm convinced the FAI did not go out on a limb here.

Leeside

RTE news reports that FIFA have turned down the request.

GavRedKing

Begging to go to the WC?? Thats a joke, even for the FAI, I would rather have replay then be allowed to go as the 33rd team, infact going as the 33rd team would be a joke on the other teams that got there, how would it work??

It was unfortunate what happened but its over we can look forward to the Euro's and not be caught up in whatever John Delaney is up yo.

Holsten

Leeside wrote: »

I don't think the FAI would have asked for this unless they got either a strong hint from FIFA to do so, or they checked out beforehand what the reaction was likely to be and got positive vibes.

I'm convinced the FAI did not go out on a limb here.

Don't be getting my hopes up!

Neil3030

I'm embarrassed so many people are embarrassed by this tbh. The FAI are dead right to kick up a stink - how the hell else is reform going to be introduced to the game? People who condescendingly belittle the Irish efforts for some manner of conisderation, yet offer up going-forward solutions such as video evidence, do not appreciate that protest and reform are far from being mutually exclusive.

It's also nice to see the recession hasn't completely ridden us of our own inflated sense of self importance. Just who exactly are you concerned about with regard to this supposed "embarrassment"? It's a complete and utter cop out. Rather than fight for reform, it's far easier to back off and try look blase and sophisticated about the whole affair - "oh will that annoying little association ever stop making me look so internationally uncool"

The world gives an equally miniscule s*** about us regardless. Get the hell over yourselves, it's sickening.

Frisbee

nuxxx wrote: »

i`d love it we got there via this route, i doubt all the Cynicism would remain in this thread if we do

If we got there by those means I'd be embarrassed every time we played

Headshot

Neil3030 wrote: »

I'm embarrassed so many people are embarrassed by this tbh. The FAI are dead right to kick up a stink - how the hell else is reform going to be introduced to the game? People who condescendingly belittle the Irish efforts for some manner of conisderation, yet offer up going-forward solutions such as video evidence, do not appreciate that protest and reform are far from being mutually exclusive.

It's also nice to see the recession hasn't completely ridden us of our own inflated sense of self importance. Just who exactly are you concerned about with regard to this supposed "embarrassment"? It's a complete and utter cop out. Rather than fight for reform, it's far easier to back off and try look blase and sophisticated about the whole affair - "oh will that annoying little association ever stop making me look so internationally uncool"

The world gives an equally miniscule s*** about us regardless. Get the hell over yourselves, it's sickening.

Nail on the ****ing head

noodler

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

In what way will Ireland have actually earnt a place at next years World Cup??

Are you for real? Seriously, the self-righteousness is going out of control.

dannydiamond wrote: »

No we don't,and no they shouldn't have.

Again, how on earth do we not deserve to be there?


I would lvoe this to happen. I am not too sure what people are getting patheticly embarressed about? What exactly should the FAI have done in the wake of all this? I would have been furious with them if they had done nothing just as I was furious when nowhere near a big enough fuss was made over the injust nature of seeding the play-offs (regardless of precident).

If you want I will single-handedly go through all the "Im so embarressed" posts and give each of you a thanks.

SantryRed

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Jesus Christ, my god, the FAI, I didn't think they could get any worse.

Rockee

Neil3030 wrote: »

I'm embarrassed so many people are embarrassed by this tbh. The FAI are dead right to kick up a stink - how the hell else is reform going to be introduced to the game? People who condescendingly belittle the Irish efforts for some manner of conisderation, yet offer up going-forward solutions such as video evidence, do not appreciate that protest and reform are far from being mutually exclusive.

It's also nice to see the recession hasn't completely ridden us of our own inflated sense of self importance. Just who exactly are you concerned about with regard to this supposed "embarrassment"? It's a complete and utter cop out. Rather than fight for reform, it's far easier to back off and try look blase and sophisticated about the whole affair - "oh will that annoying little association ever stop making me look so internationally uncool"

The world gives an equally miniscule s*** about us regardless. Get the hell over yourselves, it's sickening.

A - feckin- men

dannydiamond

I think alot of people here are missing the point somewhat.
I agree that the FAI sould kick up a stink,I don't agree they should be asking to be the 33rd team at the world cup,that's just throwing the dummy out of the cot imo.

RasTa

Neil3030 wrote: »

I

Rather than fight for reform, it's far easier to back off and try look blase and sophisticated about the whole affair

But we are not fighting for reform; we are fighting to get ourselves into the WC. Do you really think if it happened to another team there would be such moral outrage by you???

If it's reform then our result still stands but it will benefit the future of the game. So with today's outcome we have embarrassed ourselves as nation even further by not just asking for a reply but also asking can we be added as a 33rd team?

WTF is that sh!t.

Frisbee

dannydiamond wrote: »

I think alot of people here are missing the point somewhat.
I agree that the FAI sould kick up a stink,I don't agree they should be asking to be the 33rd team at the world cup,that's just throwing the dummy out of the cot imo.

This

Neil3030

RasTa wrote: »

But we are not fighting for reform; we are fighting to get ourselves into the WC. Do you really think if it happened to another team there would be such moral outrage by you???

If it's reform then our result still stands but it will benefit the future of the game. So with today's outcome we have embarrassed ourselves as nation even further by not just asking for a reply but also asking can we be added as a 33rd team?

WTF is that sh!t.

You're getting bogged down in semantics - it's not about what we ask for, but essentially, how much impact we have on the smooth running of the present system with the protest. For lack of a better phrase, we need to be as annoying as possible. That's what gets things changed.

Tellox

To be fair, it's a little facepalm-worthy.. but I won't be complaining if I'm off leaping into the arms of some stranger in the pub when Ireland score their first goal against France in the group stages

premierstone

chopperbyrne wrote: »

The FAI should concentrate on making sure the LOI is in proper order for next season than continuing this campaign when FIFA have already told them no.

Ah come on now, ok fair enough the 33 team thing is a little bit far fetched and chancing the auld arm but the LOI in proper order by next season are you off your rocker, come out of the fog buddy

dannydiamond

Neil3030 wrote: »

You're getting bogged down in semantics - it's not about what we ask for, but essentially, how much impact we have on the smooth running of the present system with the protest. For lack of a better phrase, we need to be as annoying as possible. That's what gets things changed.

Do you really think, the FAI are doing all of this for the sake of reform?

Banter Joe

It's never going to happen. Everybody knows this (I assume even the FAI). You always have to ask for more then you expect to get in situations like this. If it turned out that FIFA removed seeding at the playoff stage for the next world cup because of all the scrutiny they are being placed under, then it would have been worth the "embarassment" wouldn't it?

Neil3030

dannydiamond wrote: »

Do you really think, the FAI are doing all of this for the sake of reform?

Oh absolutely not, but phrases along the lines of "this is embarrassing, we should just accept our place and bring in video reffing going forward" is a fallacy.

The FAI have their primary motives and that's to get into the World Cup, I completely appreciate that. Why not chance their arm? What have they to lose? Like I said, to whom are you embarrassed?

And then further, since their efforts may bring about policy shifts that benefit the game going forward (i.e., we'll shut these Irish up and give them video replays in future), they should not be ridiculed.

But backing away will get neither of those outcomes. Of that I am certain.

mormank

NotWormBoy wrote: »

It was embarrassing a long time ago in my view.

Sure, it was an injustice, but there's such a thing as grace in defeat, however unjustified that defeat might have been.

ya know what..normally i would be with you one hundred percent but this time it just really feels like we were stitched up from the start. the way they decided to seed the play off draw a week before the draw happened. they obviously dont want us there so will not grant the extra spot. they cant!! it would set a very dangerous precedent

Mikeyt086

Just seen it on Sky Sports News, Sepp Blatter actually says "They have asked... Humbley *laughs* To be the 33rd team *laughs* They have asked for that, really!"

So Sepp Blatter is laughing in our face. Great man.

Xavi6

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Just seen it on Sky Sports News, Sepp Blatter actually says "They have asked... Humbley *laughs* To be the 33rd team *laughs* They have asked for that, really!"

So Sepp Blatter is laughing in our face. Great man.

I'd be pissing myself too if I was him.

It's all very small time.

Iang87

gettin embarrassing now really dont like this request.

but i didnt like the way blatter was speaking about us, imo he acted the prick the way he laughed and started sayin Costa Rica will want to go too with a stupid smirk on his face

Frisbee

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

So Sepp Blatter is laughing in our face. Great man.

Lol I honestly don't see how anyone could blame him. I'd pissing pissing myself if I was in his shoes.

Iang87

Frisbee wrote: »

Lol I honestly don't see how anyone could blame him. I'd pissing pissing myself if I was in his shoes.

pissing yourself cos you successfully ****ed over one of the smaller nations you always say you're trying to help. You're right irony is hilarious

daithijjj

Blatter is a caveman. Google some of his ideas on womens football. Id piss in his shoes if i had the opportunity.

mormank

i dont see why people are surprised tho, the FAI have been chancing their arm for years as an association!! I will say this much tho, in 2005 liverpool won the champions league but failed to qualify for the same competition through the league so UEFA faced the possibility of having then next season's champion's league without the defending champions. i think this came about as a result of UEFA taking for granted that the champions league winner would naturally finish in a position in their own league to qualify. it didnt happen that way. Uefa found a way around it legislated for it in the future. this of course is a completely different situation however my point is that it is not comepletely out of the realms of possibilty for something unprecedented to happen. this however will not. but if they legislate for it happening again in the future as a result it will be a massive positive for the game in general imo...whether it be video refs or whatever

thusspakeblixa

We're not going to be the 33rd team.

BUT

We could conceivably be the 32nd if Chile get kicked out (see here). Very very unlikely, but still.

mormank

daithijjj wrote: »

Blatter is a caveman. Google some of his ideas on womens football. Id piss in his shoes if i had the opportunity.

i believe his basic idea is correct. i mean, whenever the olypimpics or whatever come round i can name 100 guys who would watch the volleyball cos there are sexy girls wearing hot pants!! its not ideal perhaps but thats life. perhaps sepp couldve expressed his feelings on the subject a bit more tactfully tho or just kept them to himself. doesnt mean he is wrong in what he is saying tho

everdead.ie

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

We're not going to be the 33rd team.

BUT

We could conceivably be the 32nd if Chile get kicked out (see here). Very very unlikely, but still.

In that event I would assume maybe a playoff between Ireland and Costa Rica or that it was given to the next South American Team

RasTa

Kick out North Korea, they are evil.

Iang87

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

We're not going to be the 33rd team.

BUT

We could conceivably be the 32nd if Chile get kicked out (see here). Very very unlikely, but still.

i hope not chile are gonna be fun in the world cup. Top scorers in South american qualifying me thinks

mormank

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

We're not going to be the 33rd team.

BUT

We could conceivably be the 32nd if Chile get kicked out (see here). Very very unlikely, but still.

wow thats nuts. seems like a fascist idea to me. theatening to knock out the federation just to keep one of the clubs quiet!! disgraceful. however, if this did happen im sure fifa's first thought would be to have the next south american team to qualify at chile's expense, not us.

people are forgetting that all henry robbed us of was a chance to play peno's to go to the world cup, not an actual place in the world cup, there is a difference. and i dont think the request reflects that accurately

thusspakeblixa

Costa Rica don't compete in the South American qualifiers though.

If (and this still is a BIG if) Chile were kicked out the place may indeed go to a playoff. Who knows?

everdead.ie

thusspakeblixa wrote: »

Costa Rica don't compete in the South American qualifiers though.

If (and this still is a BIG if) Chile were kicked out the place may indeed go to a playoff. Who knows?

They lost to a south american team tho in the qualifiers to get knocked out and they lost to a goal that was in fact offside

Boggles

I presume if Chile do get fooked out Ecuador takes their place, not Ireland.

daithijjj

mormank wrote: »

i believe his basic idea is correct. i mean, whenever the olypimpics or whatever come round i can name 100 guys who would watch the volleyball cos there are sexy girls wearing hot pants!! its not ideal perhaps but thats life. perhaps sepp couldve expressed his feelings on the subject a bit more tactfully tho or just kept them to himself. doesnt mean he is wrong in what he is saying tho

Well that was kind of my point mormank. Its condecending comments like that that show the true colours and arrogance on his behalf. The fact that he aired those views publicly and felt that they were appropriate shouldnt be the comments of a person in charge of the direction of the game imo. Somebody who has embraced the 21st century would be a better person for the job is all im getting at really.

mormank

daithijjj wrote: »

Well that was kind of my point mormank. Its condecending comments like that that show the true colours and arrogance on his behalf. The fact that he aired those views publicly and felt that they were appropriate shouldnt be the comments of a person in charge of the direction of the game imo. Somebody who has embraced the 21st century would be a better person for the job is all im getting at really.

fair enough. point taken. misunderstanding on my part. for the record i am of the opinion that sepp blatter is a joke! he has never been fit to run FIFA. his views about soccer are so out of date. he is a relic and football will not evolve like it so desperately needs to while he is in charge! at least platini seems to be willing to listen to ideas for changes which will help the game

Karmafaerie

everdead.ie wrote:

I'm I the only one who thinks that Shay looks horrified because St Ledger is about to kiss him?!

ziggy

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noodler

ziggy wrote: »

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Tell it to the lads who outplayed France over 210 minutes of Football - not to people on boards.ie who feel the FAI requests are beneath them.

ziggy

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briany

I just read about this story and it's an interesting idea. You know, if there was a near miraculous turnabout and Ireland, along with Costa Rica, were allowed into the competition I don't think anyone would be complaining TOO loudly about it and those that were would, I suspect, have a li'l spark of glee growing nicely in their bellies over the next six months or so. Of course I don't see how it would work, how would the groups work, would there be two groups with an extra team in it?

To people saying it is over and forget about it well I say that we should maybe drop our demands to a replay and such but to just let the matter drop entirely would be foolish. Something positive needs to come of this whether it be video technology in the professional game or goal line officials. The fact is that Ireland were the better team in Paris that night and had it all square with France when they were robbed by a cynical handball so the balance needs to be redressed in some shape or form.

noodler

ziggy wrote: »

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But, they outscored us with a deflected goal and an illegal goal.

Now we can all concede that defelections in football, but rarely does such a blatant offside get missed, then a player stops a ball going out of play with his hand and then scoops it onto his right foot to setup a goal AND gets away with it.

Are you saying France deserved it more than Ireland because they had the initiative to cheat? Just want to know your reasoning on this. One of the teams had to go through - it wasn't a case that neither could.

Mr Alan

noodler wrote: »

Tell it to the lads who outplayed France over 210 minutes of Football - not to people on boards.ie who feel the FAI requests are beneath them.

we didn't outplay France in Croke Park.

noodler

Boggles wrote: »

I presume if Chile do get fooked out Ecuador takes their place, not Ireland.

I know I'd freak if Italy got fooked out over the Cannavaro thing (for example) and then bleeding.....Samoa went to it instead.

Mr Alan

and the offside, was not offside under the current rules.

noodler

Mr Alan wrote: »

we didn't outplay France in Croke Park.

Whats your point?

I said over 210 minutes which is undisputable, therefore you respond to a statement that was never made.

Mr Alan wrote: »

and the offside, was not offside under the current rules.

A free kick goes into the box and two players are standing in offside positions in and around the six yard box? That is a free-kick out everyday of the week in the premiership or any league. If you want to make an interfering with play argument to be pedantic you can but the referee/linesman missed it, they didn't decide "nah, they aren't interfering".

Mr Alan

my point was France were better in the first match.

we were better in the second match.

yet you come up with we outplayed them over both?!

Ush1

Yeah, embarressed for the FAI at this stage.