"Real" Football Fan (Mod Note: #198, #237 and OP)

GavRedKing

04072511 wrote: »

It doesnt matter if it was 100% Foreign players, it will always be an English League. To suggest its an international league borders on insanity. All clubs are located in the UK, sell their tickets in Sterling etc

The Champions League is what you call an International Competition, as is the World Cup. It involves teams from MORE THAN ONE country. The English Premier League does not fall under the definition of an International League.

Cant wait until Cardiff City get into the Premier League so, will it be considered an international league then?

Pisco Sour

gavredking wrote: »

Cant wait until Cardiff City get into the Premier League so, will it be considered an international league then?

Well not really, Wales is not a country, its part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.:D

GavRedKing

04072511 wrote: »

Well not really, Wales is not a country, its part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.:D

Try telling that to the Welsh No, I get your point though from above, good posts. I wouldnt consider the EPL to be an international league but would consider it to have international appeal as so many different nations are represeneted through out all the teams.

Pisco Sour

gavredking wrote: »

Try telling that to the Welsh No, I get your point though from above, good posts. I wouldnt consider the EPL to be an international league but would consider it to have international appeal as so many different nations are represeneted through out all the teams.

Same could be said about the German, Dutch and French leagues aswell, yet you dont see millions of foreigners forming life-long bonds to clubs in those leagues.

Fratton Fred

gavredking wrote: »

Try telling that to the Welsh No, I get your point though from above, good posts. I wouldnt consider the EPL to be an international league but would consider it to have international appeal as so many different nations are represeneted through out all the teams.

To be honest, the only time I have heard people call the Premiership an "International League" is around the time they have finished ranting about how much they hate the English and someone points out that they are a Liverpool fan and that Gerrard is, indeed, English. I think it is just dealing with guilt/hypocrisy or something like that.

The big four are exceptions, they may have huge international support, but the other 16 teams do not. Bolton, Burnley, Wigan, Portsmouth, Hull, Fulham, Blackburn Rovers, the fans of these clubs generally go to games on a number 365 bus, not flight FR365.

The Premiership is no more an International league than the Spanish or Italian leagues are.

GavRedKing

04072511 wrote: »

Same could be said about the German, Dutch and French leagues aswell, yet you dont see millions of foreigners forming life-long bonds to clubs in those leagues.

No, your right, I think that the majority of peopel in Ireland that support an EPL club or any other club from a different league has done so more from friends/family/relations with the place and the clubs appeal and success.

There is also nations in Africa and Asia that have storng football links with there domestic leagues and support and watch a team in the EPL, I think its part of life.

Even in the LoI you will get dual supporting fans, I can say Ive never being to a Cork City game and the reasons would be that my family never went before me and my friends dont go either, I wouldnt bash anybody that went to a LoI game, if thats the team you support then support them through thick and thin.

Fink Goddie

04072511 wrote: »

It doesnt matter if it was 100% Foreign players, it will always be an English League. To suggest its an international league borders on insanity. All clubs are located in the UK, sell their tickets in Sterling etc

The Champions League is what you call an International Competition, as is the World Cup. It involves teams from MORE THAN ONE country. The English Premier League does not fall under the definition of an International League.

Oh wow they seel their tickets in sterling haha!
Its more international than English now, the teams are called by english names but the players are mostly international.

gustavo wrote: »

He did actually.Given that you didn't even know the name of the league you were disparaging it doesn't exactly give your "it's ****" claims any worth

He obviously knew what i was talking about and so did you, so whether i said the Irish league is sh1t or the league of irleand is sh1t, you still got the same point, that the standard is sh1t honey xxx

stovelid

Fratton Fred wrote: »

but the other 16 teams do not. Bolton, Burnley, Wigan, Portsmouth, Hull, Fulham, Blackburn Rovers,

Not, you might add, teams that represent anything to most Irish supporters of the EPL other than boring cannon fodder or the statistically-remote chance of a slip-up.

For all intents and purposes, the EPL is an appetizer for the eventual anticipated feast of a European Mega-League.

cournioni

04072511 wrote: »

Well not really, Wales is not a country, its part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.:D

So what about Derry city then?!

Dodgykeeper

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Oh wow they seel their tickets in sterling haha!
Its more international than English now, the teams are called by english names but the players are mostly international.



He obviously knew what i was talking about and so did you, so whether i said the Irish league is sh1t or the league of irleand is sh1t, you still got the same point, that the standard is sh1t honey xxx

The standard is not ****, you are just as likely to see a good game in the LOI than you are in the EPL


You have Anfield as your location and "Team Jedward for life" as your sig and you expect to be taken seriously!

Dodgykeeper

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

So what about Derry city then?!

Derry City are a team playing in the LOI but are from a different juristiction, quick tell all the Barstoolers that we have an international league on our doorstep!

Fink Goddie

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

The standard is not ****, you are just as likely to see a good game in the LOI than you are in the EPL


You have Anfield as your location and "Team Jedward for life" as your sig and you expect to be taken seriously!

It doesnt even compare to the EPL standard!!!

What has my signature or my location got to do with anything, do you think your name dodgykeeper makes your opinion so much superior LOL, ah that gave me a laugh! ridiculous

Pisco Sour

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

Derry City are a team playing in the LOI but are from a different juristiction, quick tell all the Barstoolers that we have an international league on our doorstep!

LOL, the LOI is actually more international than the PL. Teams from 2 differnt soverign states as opposed to 1.

Pisco Sour

Fratton Fred wrote: »

To be honest, the only time I have heard people call the Premiership an "International League" is around the time they have finished ranting about how much they hate the English and someone points out that they are a Liverpool fan and that Gerrard is, indeed, English. I think it is just dealing with guilt/hypocrisy or something like that.

It is quite incredible how true that statement is. We Irish really are a confusing race.

Gavin "shels"

Fink Goddie wrote: »

It doesnt even compare to the EPL standard!!!

Does any other League in the world compare to the EPL? Even to that fact not many leagues in the world get as low attendences as the LoI per capita.

Fink Goddie

Gavin shels wrote: »

Does any other League in the world compare to the EPL? .

Exactly, so if you love football you want to watch the best at it, this is why people prefer to support the clubs accross the water and not here.

super_furry

That_Guy wrote: »

I also am a fan of Nine Inch Nails but I've never seen them live.... so I guess I'm not a real fan.

And comparing computer games to a football team is ridiculous. Yeah I'm a fan of computer games but I didn't help make the game or witness it being created.... so am I not a fan?

You've just summed up the difference between being a fan and a supporter perfectly.

Fink Goddie

super_furry wrote: »

You've just summed up the difference between being a fan and a supporter perfectly.

Supporter is a synonym to "fan"

Dodgykeeper

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, so if you love football you want to watch the best at it,

So why do you support Liverpool, surely they are not the best at it at the moment!

BTW are you a Supporter of a fan of Jedward, and didnt they get voted off, therefore are not the best!

Pisco Sour

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, so if you love football you want to watch the best at it, this is why people prefer to support the clubs accross the water and not here.

I take it you support Spain then rather than Ireland. They are the "best at it" after all! :rolleyes:

Fink Goddie

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

So why do you suport Liverpool, surely they are not the best at it at the mo!

04072511 wrote: »

I take it you support Spain then rather than Ireland. They are the "best at it" after all! :rolleyes:

Yeh but i get to watch Liverpool play United and Chelsea etc who are at the moment two of the best teams in Europe. So i'm watching far better players than we see in the League of Ireland.

Gavin "shels"

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, so if you love football you want to watch the best at it, this is why people prefer to support the clubs accross the water and not here.

Supporting a football isn't what is just on the pitch, it's about everything around it. Henceif you don't go to games you can't really say you're a fan of the club.

Also take note of my second point. I'll use an example, look at the Portuguese and Spainish leagues, Spainish is a much better quality, yet the liks of Porto, etc... have no problem filling their stadium, even though Barca are a much better club.

gustavo

Fink Goddie wrote: »

It doesnt even compare to the EPL standard!!!

What has my signature or my location got to do with anything, do you think your name dodgykeeper makes your opinion so much superior LOL, ah that gave me a laugh! ridiculous

Guess what.Millions of people in countries around the world enjoy their own leagues without feeling the need to compare it to the EPL which of course the vast majority of leagues are inferior to.

Gavin "shels"

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yeh but i get to watch Liverpool play United and Chelsea etc who are at the moment two of the best teams in Europe. So i'm watching far better players than we see in the League of Ireland.

So as 04072511 said, you support Spain? Or closer to home England. Both much bettr teams than Irelan with far better players.

Pisco Sour

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yeh but i get to watch Liverpool play United and Chelsea etc who are at the moment two of the best teams in Europe. So i'm watching far better players than we see in the League of Ireland.

Hence you are a consumer rather than a supporter. You want quality, and if you cant get that at home, you will go abroad for it.

Dodgykeeper

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yeh but i get to watch Liverpool play United and Chelsea etc who are at the moment two of the best teams in Europe. So i'm watching far better players than we see in the League of Ireland.

So this week you will have no interest in watching them play Blackburn then!

Fratton Fred

Where have all the Celtic fans gone

I thought a few of them would contribute to this thread

Pisco Sour

If it was all about supporting the "best" as you say then Irish Golf fans would shout for Woods over Harrington.

Irish Athletics fans would shout for LeShawn Merritt over David Gillick

Irish Rugby fans would be gunning for the All Blacks over Ireland.

Your arguments are weak at best.

Dodgykeeper

I have no problem with Irish people supporting English/Scottish clubs and going over to watch games, What I have a problem is with ppl watching on the tv then ringing in the Radio Shows or talking to their friends about how "WE" did at the weekend or how Rafa has to go befrore "WE" can move on etc.

Thats like my Mrs watching Corrie and then saying "WE" went to the Rovers last night, no you didnt , Fizz and Kirk went, you sat at home on the sofa watching them!

Fink Goddie

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

So this week you will have no interest in watching them play Blackburn then!

Liverpool have the best striker in the world and Gerrard is also one of the best in the world, why wouldnt i watch them

04072511 wrote: »

If it was all about supporting the "best" as you say then Irish Golf fans would shout for Woods over Harrington.

You're not getting my point, if there was an irish league with just irish players who werent great and then there was a league over in england with all the best golfers in the world, which one would you prefer to watch. yeh if there was an irish player in that league you'd support him but you'd be watching him against the best!!!

Gavin shels wrote: »

Well if you're paralyzed I don't think many would be saying that. The majority of Irish wouldn't be paralyzed and therefore shouldn't have a bother getting a on plane. Buying a jersey, watching it on tv, etc... doesn't make you a fan, everyone can do that.


YOu never answered my other question:

Also take note of my second point. I'll use an example, look at the Portuguese and Spainish leagues, Spainish is a much better quality, yet the liks of Porto, etc... have no problem filling their stadium, even though Barca are a much better club.

Yeh but i bet the tickets to see them play Barca are the hardest to get, because people like to see the best play!!!

gustavo

Question for you Fink

How far down the leagues would Liverpool have to fall before you'd stop supporting them?

Dodgykeeper

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yeh but i bet the tickets to see them play Barca are the hardest to get, because people like to see the best play!!!

Tickets to see who play Barca!

Pisco Sour

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Liverpool have the best striker in the world and Gerrard is also one of the best in the world, why wouldnt i watch them



You're not getting my point, if there was an irish league with just irish players who werent great and then there was a league over in england with all the best golfers in the world, which one would you prefer to watch. yeh if there was an irish player in that league you'd support him but you'd be watching him against the best!!!



Yeh but i bet the tickets to see them play Barca are the hardest to get, because people like to see the best play!!!

Did you support Liverpool during the 90's when they were not anywhere close to the best in England, a league which in turn was nowhere near the best in Europe at the time?

If the English Premiership went back to where it was in the 1990's (when its national champions would get hammered away to the Swedish Champs) would you stop following Liverpool then as they are no longer "the best"!?

LOL at your golf comment by the way!

Fink Goddie

gustavo wrote: »

Question for you Fink

How far down the leagues would Liverpool have to fall before you'd stop supporting them?

I'll support liverpool for life, but what made me support them rather than a team in the league of Ireland was the fact that the best players play in the EPL.
I know Liverpool aint doing that well lately but it wont happen haha

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

Tickets to see who play Barca!

Yeh in the spanish league, tickets to see any team against barca are like gold dust. you mentioned the portuguese AND the spanish ones.

Töpher

That_Guy wrote: »

Not once have I been to St. James' to see a Newcastle game but I am as dedicated a fan as any season ticket holder.

I buy the jersey, I follow any developments on and off the pitch, I watch them on TV/Internet when I can.

I dare anybody to tell me that I'm not a fan because I've not stepped foot in the stadium.

That_Guy wrote: »

I'm 21 and to be fair who saves 6 cent per day? Not realistic. I have money but family commitments come first.
I love my club but sometimes things are more important. It's out of my control.

That_Guy wrote: »

So what you're saying is that I should chuck away my jersey and any passion I have as a supporter for my club until I go to see them play in their stadium?

Just a suggestion, why not next time take the cost of the jersey and invest it into flights and match tickets instead?

[edit]This wasn't meant to be directed solely at you, but to anyone who will use the money excuse, but can still afford to fork out for a replica shirt.

Fink Goddie

04072511 wrote: »

Did you support Liverpool during the 90's when they were not anywhere close to the best in England, a league which in turn was nowhere near the best in Europe at the time?

If the English Premiership went back to where it was in the 1990's (when its national champions would get hammered away to the Swedish Champs) would you stop following Liverpool then as they are no longer "the best"!?

LOL at your golf comment by the way!

They were always better than anything in Ireland anyway, thats why the best of the Irsh players went to play abroad.
Argue which ever way you want but you know i'm right xxx

gustavo

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I'll support liverpool for life, but what made me support them rather than a team in the league of Ireland was the fact that the best players play in the EPL.
I know Liverpool aint doing that well lately but it wont happen haha
.

Good man Confirmed everything I thought about you

The Volt

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I'll support liverpool for life, but what made me support them rather than a team in the league of Ireland was the fact that the best players play in the EPL.
I know Liverpool aint doing that well lately but it wont happen haha

Bandwagonism then? I can understand people being bred into following a certain team but looking at the league and just choosing a team with the best players is a bit sad tbh.

I think Arsenal play the best football in the league, I have no emotional attachment to them but I enjoy watching the way they pass the ball. I'm a fan of their style of football but that doesn't give me the right to compare myself to people who'd bleed Arsenal if you cut them open, nor would I want to.

Dodgykeeper

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I'll support liverpool for life, but what made me support them rather than a team in the league of Ireland was the fact that the best players play in the EPL.
I know Liverpool aint doing that well lately but it wont happen haha



Yeh in the spanish league, tickets to see any team against barca are like gold dust. you mentioned the portuguese AND the spanish ones.

So your comment about only watching the best only really applies to why you started supporting Liverpool, and you will continue to support them through thick and thin, which as a fan is admirable and to be applauded. Have you been over much?

As for your second paragraph, WTF!!

Fink Goddie

gustavo wrote: »

Good man Confirmed everything I thought about you

Except that you thought i was a man, you know nothing!

Voltwad wrote: »

Bandwagonism then? I can understand people being bred into following a certain team but looking at the league and just choosing a team with the best players is a bit sad tbh.

I think Arsenal play the best football in the league, I have no emotional attachment to them but I enjoy watching the way they pass the ball. I'm a fan of their style of football but that doesn't give me the right to compare myself to people who'd bleed Arsenal if you cut them open, nor would I want to.

Well then most football supporters in Ireland are sad then, because most of them are Liverpool or United supporters!
I watched the EPL because the best footballers around played in it, chose Liverpool because at the time a lot of Irish Internationals played for them.
Its as good a reason as any!!!

gustavo

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Except that you thought i was a man, you know nothing!

Apologies

Fink Goddie wrote: »

!
I watched the EPL because the best footballers around played in it, chose Liverpool because at the time a lot of Irish Internationals played for them.
Its as good a reason as any!!!

Pretty sure those two periods of time didn't overlap

The Volt

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Well then most football supporters in Ireland are sad then, because most of them are Liverpool or United supporters!
I watched the EPL because the best footballers around played in it, chose Liverpool because at the time a lot of Irish Internationals played for them.
Its as good a reason as any!!!

If you read back over my post that you quoted there you'll see I make a distinction between bandwagonism and being brought up following a team. As well as this, the former would probably have more numbers than the latter. I know an unholy amount of people guilty of EPL bandwagonism.

Fink Goddie

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

So your comment about only watching the best only really applies to why you started supporting Liverpool, and you will continue to support them through thick and thin, which as a fan is admirable and to be applauded. Have you been over much?
!

Yes i have actually but i wouldnt think i'm anymore of a fan or try lord it over anyone who hadnt been over. Schoolyard stuff that is!

Dodgykeeper

In fairness gustavo, the calling people Honey, the xx after she believed she made a good point and liking jedward and you tought Fink was a man

iregk

Dodgykeeper wrote: »

So your comment about only watching the best only really applies to why you started supporting Liverpool, and you will continue to support them through thick and thin, which as a fan is admirable and to be applauded.

If he started following them because they had a great player of two then I see no reason why he would continue to support them (despite his claims) if they were relegated and said players left.

Pure bandwagon.

Fink Goddie

iregk wrote: »

If he started following them because they had a great player of two then I see no reason why he would continue to support them (despite his claims) if they were relegated and said players left.

Pure bandwagon.

Get over yourself! who do you support??
Even if they did get relegated they'd still be in a league better than what we have in Ireland.

Xavi6

Next person to mention 'Jedward' in this thread is getting a ban for off topic posting, and an extra long one because they're annoying pricks.

Please also cut out the discussion of parlyzed and/or disabled people. It is not particularly relevant to the topic at hand.

DSB

To be honest, I think you can immediately dismiss anyone who brings the two words 'standard' and 'product' into the conversation.

Pisco Sour

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Get over yourself! who do you support??
Even if they did get relegated they'd still be in a league better than what we have in Ireland.

Your recent comments give you no right to use that word in this context.

Fink Goddie

04072511 wrote: »

Your recent comments give you no right to use that word in this context.

hahaha how dramatic, what am i not irish anymore now!