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Have the Public Servants won the dispute?

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    #182
    Bandit12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Bandit12


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    This is rediculous! The only alternative to not giving drastic pay and benefit cuts to civil servants is to raise taxes (unpaid leave! are u kidding!)... and if you think private sector workers like myself are going to take it lying down then the government better wake up! We won't fund their grossly overpaid jobs or pensions! :mad:

    Yes we will. (I'm one of them). I knew it would come down to this either way. Same old same.


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    #183
    Sizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    This farce is going to save 300m (assuming public sector workers agree to it), so wheres the other 1 billion coming from :confused:

    Absolute farce tbh. Cowen is the unions bitch. Bastards didnt even give him lube if today's news is anything to go by :eek:


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    #184
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    Sizzler wrote: »
    This farce is going to save 300m (assuming public sector workers agree to it), so wheres the other 1 billion coming from :confused:

    Absolute farce tbh. Cowen is the unions bitch. Bastards didnt even give him lube if today's news is anything to go by :eek:

    thats going a bit far considering we know very little of whats contained within these proposals. not exactly the language of a mature and grown up debate now is it?


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    #185
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Mystik Monkey wrote: »
    thats going a bit far considering we know very little of whats contained within these proposals. not exactly the language of a mature and grown up debate now is it?

    Fairly typical of the appetite that exists out there for instant gratification from people losing their jobs, pay and pensions in the public sector and the slashing of social welfare and OAP pension payments


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    #186
    TCP/IP_King
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭TCP/IP_King


    Sizzler wrote: »
    ... Cowen is the unions bitch...

    You're forgetting your history already? That was Bertie.


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    #187
    97i9y3941
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭97i9y3941


    taxpayer has been sold out,basically a "payfreeze" for public sec or increase in taxes in for the private sector...


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    #188
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    civil srvants have already taken a pay cut this year. i think 12 or whatever unpaid leave days is fair so it is. the money is now being saved or on the way to at least.

    as a civil servant i have to say i can swalow that pill.


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    #189
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Fred83 wrote: »
    increase in taxes in for the private sector...

    These will have absolutely no effect on a public sector worker. FACT! :rolleyes:


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    #190
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Re the title. Yes. Less work for slightly less pay, a sweet deal. Looks like the real cuts will fall on the sick, the unemployed and the middle classes with families.


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    #191
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    stevoman wrote: »
    civil srvants have already taken a pay cut this year. i think 12 or whatever unpaid leave days is fair so it is. the money is now being saved or on the way to at least.

    as a civil servant i have to say i can swalow that pill.

    You did NOT take a pay cut, you are contributing to your already cushy pension...

    Another 10% at least, and we'll be on our way to recovery... so stfu with your bull****... this is reality my friend, taxes are already to high! And the private sector workers will not be able to fund this public sector fiasco!


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    #192
    GoldenTickets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭GoldenTickets


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    This is rediculous! The only alternative to not giving drastic pay and benefit cuts to civil servants is to raise taxes (unpaid leave! are u kidding!)... and if you think private sector workers like myself are going to take it lying down then the government better wake up! We won't fund their grossly overpaid jobs or pensions! :mad:

    I'm pretty pleased with how things went today overall. I mean, it sucks that I'll have to take a bunch of days off without getting paid for them, but overall it beats a straightforward paycut. It'll be nice to have a few extra days next year to relax. Don't know why people are getting so wound up tbh, it's a fairly good result all round I would have thought. Taxpayer (which includes the Public Sector I might add) saves loads which should placate the whingers for a bit and the Public Sector don't get completely rode even though they will get less pay. Win win :)


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    #193
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    GoldenTickets wrote: »
    I'm pretty pleased with how things went today overall. I mean, it sucks that I'll have to take a bunch of days off without getting paid for them, but overall it beats a straightforward paycut. It'll be nice to have a few extra days next year to relax. Don't know why people are getting so wound up tbh, it's a fairly good result all round I would have thought. Taxpayer (which includes the Public Sector I might add) saves loads which should placate the whingers for a bit and the Public Sector don't get completely rode even though they will get less pay. Win win :)

    So, they are also hiring retards for the public sector?

    This is where our taxes are going people!!


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    #194
    GoldenTickets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭GoldenTickets


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    So, they are also hiring retards for the public sector?

    This is where our taxes are going people!!

    At least I can spell mate, so who's the real retard here? Anyway, no need to get so uptight, accept it, you got your pound of flesh, you're just not happy that the Public Sector didn't get more screwed. It's a great outcome for all.


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    #195
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    You did NOT take a pay cut, you are contributing to your already cushy pension...

    Another 10% at least, and we'll be on our way to recovery... so stfu with your bull****... this is reality my friend, taxes are already to high! And the private sector workers will not be able to fund this public sector fiasco!


    ooohhhh pull that lemon out of your mouth :p

    my "pension levy" goes straight back into the exchequer and the reason why i took a civil service job and stuck it out with crappy wages during the good times when all my friends were making good money was for the job security and the state pension and i wont deny it for a minute. my gamble in career choice has paid off and i am happy to take this unpaid leave. i think its good deal made by my union in the circumstances.

    ps - im not your friend. ;)


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    #196
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    GoldenTickets wrote: »
    At least I can spell mate, so who's the real retard here? Anyway, no need to get so uptight, accept it, you got your pound of flesh, you're just not happy that the Public Sector didn't get more screwed. It's a great outcome for all.

    What did I not spell correctly? lmao... Also, your right about one thing, us retards in the private sector are paying a massive amount of tax to keep the public sector pay bill as it is... but not much longer!


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    #197
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,429 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    You did NOT take a pay cut, you are contributing to your already cushy pension...

    Another 10% at least, and we'll be on our way to recovery... so stfu with your bull****... this is reality my friend, taxes are already to high! And the private sector workers will not be able to fund this public sector fiasco!

    :rolleyes:


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    #198
    GoldenTickets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭GoldenTickets


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    This is rediculous! :mad:

    LMAO!


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    #199
    omahaid
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    stevoman wrote: »
    ooohhhh pull that lemon out of your mouth :p

    my "pension levy" goes straight back into the exchequer and the reason why i took a civil service job and stuck it out with crappy wages during the good times when all my friends were making good money was for the job security and the state pension and i wont deny it for a minute. my gamble in career choice has paid off and i am happy to take this unpaid leave. i think its good deal made by my union in the circumstances.

    ps - im not your friend. ;)

    Will the PS workers that earn tiny amounts of money agree? And what job do you do that pays less than its private sector equivalent? Any job I know pays more in the public service than the private service.


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    #200
    GoldenTickets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭GoldenTickets


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    What did I not spell correctly? lmao... Also, your right about one thing, us retards in the private sector are paying a massive amount of tax to keep the public sector pay bill as it is... but not much longer!

    Oh no, I just sh*t myself with fear...


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    #201
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    GoldenTickets wrote: »
    LMAO!

    lol, you need to go back to school!!! and yes, you will be taking another pay cut I'm afraid.... you enjoy that now :D


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    #202
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    omahaid wrote: »
    Will the PS workers that earn tiny amounts of money agree? And what job do you do that pays less than its private sector equivalent? Any job I know pays more in the public service than the private service.

    well tbh i make €460 a week after 10 years in the job. i have a mortgage, child an partner who isnt working and im not complaining. More pay cuts were coming and that was the reality. at least now its not a full on pay cut and when economic recovery does happen it will be easier to fight to get back to work on the days you had to take unpaid leave rather that fight for a pay rise so i think its a good situation in a bad time.


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    #203
    GoldenTickets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭GoldenTickets


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    lol, you need to go back to school!!! and yes, you will be taking another pay cut I'm afraid.... you enjoy that now :D

    I'd check that again if I were you, I hope you don't work as a typesetter or anything like that. And I'll be taking another pay cut alright, just this one comes with free days off. Score!


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    #204
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    and yes, you will be taking another pay cut I'm afraid.... you enjoy that now :D

    then why all the complaining :rolleyes:


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    #205
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    stevoman wrote: »
    well tbh i make €460 a week after 10 years in the job. i have a mortgage, child an partner who isnt working and im not complaining. More pay cuts were coming and that was the reality. at least now its not a full on pay cut and when economic recovery does happen it will be easier to fight to get back to work on the days you had to take unpaid leave rather that fight for a pay rise so i think its a good situation in a bad time.

    Your on €460 a week (assuming your partner earned around the same) and you took out a mortgage! lmao, I don't know who to blame more, you or the banks!!!


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    #206
    Traumadoc
    Registered Users Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Traumadoc


    I work in both private and public sector, my private income has increased but my public income has decreased by over 10%,

    Billions are being poured into the private sector to keep "cash flow" going ( not sure if its a good idea tbh).

    The fairest way would be to have a bit off everyone, reduce tax credits or tax free allowance whatever its called, increase the higher rate of income tax.
    pay cut for civil/public servants.
    Tax breaks for employment generating schemes eg home improvements etc.


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    #207
    hawker
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    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    lol, you need to go back to school!!! and yes, you will be taking another pay cut I'm afraid.... you enjoy that now :D

    On a bit of a rant now. Once you pop, you can't stop!!:D


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    #208
    BroomBurner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭BroomBurner


    Sorry to take this discussion away from the sniping, but can anyone say whether the propsed 14 days are 14 work days or 10 working days? I can't tell if they're talking about 14 days in terms of 2 weeks (which would be 10 working days, if you get me?).


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    #209
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    Pringles^IRE wrote: »
    Your on €460 a week (assuming your partner earned around the same) and you took out a mortgage! lmao, I don't know who to blame more, you or the banks!!!

    i have an affordable house and my mortgage is only €500 a month as im on a variable rate. im not in any finacial difficulties at all thank god.

    christ you really are a petty little person.


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    #210
    stevoman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    BroomBurner wrote: »
    Sorry to take this discussion away from the sniping, but can anyone say whether the propsed 14 days are 14 work days or 10 working days? I can't tell if they're talking about 14 days in terms of 2 weeks (which would be 10 working days, if you get me?).

    as far as im would thin it would be one day a month with 2 of those months you have to take two days unpaid or something to that effect but its all pie in the sky at the moment.


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    #211
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    stevoman wrote: »
    i have an affordable house and my mortgage is only €500 a month as im on a variable rate. im not in any finacial difficulties at all thank god.

    christ you really are a petty little person.

    Thats another place we can cut our spending :D "An affordable house" lmao, do you think your neighbours love paying a full mortgage! lmao


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