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London 2010

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sat 20th Feb: 22.4 @ I don't know.

    Unbelievably after 3.5 miles my brand new, just out of the box 405 flashed a 'battery low' warning and promptly died. I checked it before I went out and it said that there was 75% battery remaining. I'm pretty easy going in general but I was red hot with rage at that point. In fact I'll end my rant there before I get carried away.

    The plan at the start was to do 17.4 at or under 6:55 m/m and then the remaining 5 at 6:30 m/m I'm pretty sure that I did that. The first 3 miles were 6:54, 6:40, 6:37 and the half mile at 6:39. Other than a nasty spell between miles 8.5 - 10 where I had to slow a little due to some stomach cramps I didn't ease off much.
    I'll be honest and say the last 5 were hard work, especially the last 2 which are mostly undulating. Even though it doesn't change anything it would have been nice to have the splits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    dermCu wrote: »
    Sat 20th Feb: 22.4 @ I don't know.

    Unbelievably after 3.5 miles my brand new, just out of the box 405 flashed a 'battery low' warning and promptly died. I checked it before I went out and it said that there was 75% battery remaining. I'm pretty easy going in general but I was red hot with rage at that point. In fact I'll end my rant there before I get carried away.
    A similar thing happened to mine once but then never happened again. Sounds like a good run anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,503 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    What a pain in the ass. That's why I bought my OH a Forerunner (contingency!). Good to see it didn't affect the long run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    dermCu wrote: »
    Unbelievably after 3.5 miles my brand new, just out of the box 405 flashed a 'battery low' warning and promptly died. I checked it before I went out and it said that there was 75% battery remaining. I'm pretty easy going in general but I was red hot with rage at that point. In fact I'll end my rant there before I get carried away.

    I'd say there isn't too much wrong with the 405....new things out of the box need a couple of charges / discharges before they work for the intended length of time. should be ok next time after its charged up now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sun 21st Feb: 16.5 miles of hill reps on Box Hill with a friend. Long slow session; 4 hours, 1876 meters ascent/descent. Very muddy but a good session.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    4 hrs and 1800m ascents :eek: God bless your patience. Well done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    4 hrs and 1800m ascents :eek: God bless your patience. Well done.

    You hit the nail on the head. Lots of reps, pace not an issue:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    dermCu wrote: »
    Sun 21st Feb: 16.5 miles of hill reps on Box Hill with a friend. Long slow session; 4 hours, 1876 meters ascent/descent. Very muddy but a good session.

    Where is Box hill. I only want to know so I can avoid it at all costs :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Mon 22nd Feb: 6 @ 7:40m/m Recovery run at lunch. As expected my legs were a bit heavy. Felt better the longer the run went on. It has been snowing here since early morning so it was nice and cold. I'll take an easy day tomorrow as well.
    Where is Box hill. I only want to know so I can avoid it at all costs :)

    No need to worry RoadRunner, its in Surrey just outside of London to the south.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    dermCu wrote: »
    No need to worry RoadRunner, its in Surrey just outside of London to the south.

    Grand, at least there is a body of water separating us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Tue 23rd Feb: 8.7 @ 7:17 another easy day to recover after the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Wed 24th Feb 11.6 @ 6:50

    2.7 warmup
    3 x 2 at around HM pace with 2 mins rec
    2.4 cooldown

    5:59, 6:05, 6:20

    Got caught on a traffic crossing for the last one. Its normally a quiet road but not last night. I was working very hard on the last one but if I wasn't interrupted I would have been below 6:10 When I do this session again I'll move it to an uninterrupted stretch of path and just do it over and back.

    I was tired at the end. I could still feel the weekends work in my legs.
    It makes my life a bit easier if I do next weekends long run on Saturday, that's the only reason I squeezed in last nights session.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Thur 25th 10 @ 7:02 m/m - Felt tired. At the start my plan was to do 8 on Thur and another 8 on Fri. Changed my plan half way around and decided to add on another 2 and rest on Fri. I knew I was fatigued and that it would take a full day of rest to recover.

    Fri 26th: Rest

    Sat 27th: 22.33 @ 6:38 m/m The last 5 were under 6:30 but they were hard work after an aggressive 18. I'm glad I got that out of the way today, tomorrow is forecast to be very windy with lashing rain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    dermCu wrote: »

    Sat 27th: 22.33 @ 6:38 m/m The last 5 were under 6:30 but they were hard work after an aggressive 18. I'm glad I got that out of the way today, tomorrow is forecast to be very windy with lashing rain.

    That's one run to tell the grandkids. Kudos on doing the final five at that pace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    dermCu wrote: »
    Thur 25th 10 @ 7:02 m/m - Felt tired. At the start my plan was to do 8 on Thur and another 8 on Fri. Changed my plan half way around and decided to add on another 2 and rest on Fri. I knew I was fatigued and that it would take a full day of rest to recover.

    Fri 26th: Rest

    Sat 27th: 22.33 @ 6:38 m/m The last 5 were under 6:30 but they were hard work after an aggressive 18. I'm glad I got that out of the way today, tomorrow is forecast to be very windy with lashing rain.

    Thats some running , whats your target for the marathon again? My legs hurt just thinking about that run


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sun 28th Feb: 7.22 @ 7:30 m/m Nice recovery, felt good so I made sure not to up the pace.

    Thanks donothoponpop & Shels. I'll admit I double checked the splits this morning to make sure I hadn't made a mistake. My target is sub 2:50. Anything else would be a bonus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Monday March 1st: 10 @ 7:07m/m Felt good but my legs didn't want to turnover any faster than 7 m/m
    Tuesday March 2nd: 12 @ 6:43 m/m avg. Came in early today so I could get this done at lunch.

    4 x 2 miles with 2 mins rec
    2.4 warm up, 1 cooldown.

    5:52
    5:59
    6:05
    6:06

    Found a nice 1 mile stretch of uninterrupted path that's pretty much flat. Out and back for the 2 miles.
    Was a bit annoyed that I did the first one too fast. It put me under pressure for the remainder of the session. Stupid.
    If I'm totally honest the first one was faster than 5:52, I backed off on the last 200 meters, but the damage was done by then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    dermCu wrote: »

    Sat 27th: 22.33 @ 6:38 m/m The last 5 were under 6:30 but they were hard work after an aggressive 18. I'm glad I got that out of the way today, tomorrow is forecast to be very windy with lashing rain.

    I know its a bit late but just saw this. That is one savage run. You must be very confident...hope the rest of the run in goes well for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Wed 3rd March: 6.25 @ 7:23 m/m: Lunchtime recovery run. That Tuesday 4 x 2 is a bit of a monster. I really felt that I needed that recovery.
    Thur 4th March: 24 @ 7:11 m/m I'm heading back to Ireland for the weekend and I wont be able to do a long run. I plan on racing the following weekend so I didn't want to give up 2 long runs and this was the only slot I could do it in(even if it did mean heading out the door at 06:30)

    Pulled the pace right back. It was an easy choice; 3 hard workouts in 6 days would have been too much. Used the opportunity to experiment with gels. One right before I began, a bottle of Luc sport at 8.5 and another gel with some water at 17. Will do the same on a harder long run. If I have no problems I'll go with that.
    I know its a bit late but just saw this. That is one savage run. You must be very confident...hope the rest of the run in goes well for you

    Thanks. I don't think I can bring myself to use the confident word. The memory of being out on my feet 20 miles into a marathon still lives on in my head. Racing it versus running hard on long runs are different beasts. I don't think I could have done much more in this cycle so if I get to the start injury free and fail at 2:50 then so be it, its not meant to be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Fri 5th March: AM 4.26 @ 7:27 m/m Nice but absolutely freezing. Lunchtime 6.22 @ 7:20 m/m Enjoyed taking it easy.

    Sat 6th March: 8 miles off road.

    Sun 7th March: Rest

    Mon 8th March: 12 @ avg 6:50
    2.7 warm-up
    6 x 1 mile with 90 sec recovery
    5:49
    5:44
    5:47
    5:52
    5:45
    5:48
    2.6 cool-down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Tuesday 9th March: 14.08 @ 6:42 m/m Was hard enough work after last nights workout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Good solid running Dermo, you seem to well over your knee trouble. Have you got a race lined up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Thanks Heff. Yea, the stretches that the physio gave me seem to have done the trick so far. I went from never stretching to at least 30 mins every day. Had my last session of physio this morning, hopefully it will hold up for the next month and a bit.

    I'm racing a half marathon this weekend in Windsor. I had to pull out of my last planned race because of the knee so I'm not sure what to expect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    dermCu wrote: »
    I went from never stretching to at least 30 mins every dayexpect.

    I went to a physio last night for my first sports massage, I never though it would hurt so much, legs feel brand new today though. He said saying the same to me that I should be strecthing alot more, gave me some basic streches to do. Anyways good luck with the race the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Wed 10th March: Lunch 6 @ 7:14, PM 4 @ 7:35 Had a session of physio in the morning. She found a big knot in my calf. Hurt like hell when she did some work on it.

    Thur 11th March: 6 @ 7:18 Nice and easy. Was happy at that point to have a day and a half rest in front of me.

    Fri 12th March: Rest

    Sat 13th March: Sparks half marathon 1:17:12 for what I think was 4th place. Thats a big PB for me. It wasnt that big of a race - I'd say five to six hundred but I'm really happy with an unexpectedly high place. I'll take a top 10 place any time I can.

    I went through the first half mile in about 5:35 and it felt so easy.
    Even though I felt great I knew that it would not be sustainable so I purposly slowed down and let a few guys pass me. I should probably thank T runner. I read the race report in his log earlier this week and it really reminded me that going out too fast can be a killer.

    I fell in behind 2 guys and we worked togther up the field for a few miles until we had made our way into 4th/5th/6th. One of them fell off the back at about 6. The other guy stayed until about 8. Its funny becasue right as he dropped off I was going through a bad patch. Through 10 in 59:12. At the start of the day I would have taken that for a 10 mile race.
    Once I saw the split for 10 there was no way I was going to slow and I even managed the last mile in 5:44

    2 mile warmup and 2 mile cooldown.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Very well done Dermo, a well deserved pb for all your hard work. It sets you up lovely for a great pb in London.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭asimonov


    Good man, great running. You're going to have to up the pace in your HM workouts now though. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Congrats on the PB, thats a fantastic time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    amazing time dermcu. congrats!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Great running,well done


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,503 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Well done DermCu. Great time and finish position. Just one off the podium!
    We'll be expecting a podium finish for the marathon. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sun 14th March 12.4 @ 7:22 m/m

    Thanks guys, much appreciated.
    asimonov wrote: »
    Good man, great running. You're going to have to up the pace in your HM workouts now though. :)

    You're right. I've done all my planning for a slower pace. The next couple of weeks could be interesting.
    Well done DermCu. Great time and finish position. Just one off the podium!
    We'll be expecting a podium finish for the marathon. ;)

    3rd was 75 so big jump there.
    There were some big half marathons over the last week or two so the field would have been diluted. Of course that's not how I'll sell it to the grand kids. I'll be telling them how I was just squeezed out of 3rd but I did manage to hold off 4 or 5 Kenyans in a sprint finish.....if only


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Mon 15th March: 10 @7:11 m/m Felt a little tired at the start but came around in the last few miles.

    Tue 16th March 10 @ 7:05 m/m Had to reign myself in on a few occasions. Wanted to stay fresh for a bigger session on Wed.

    Wed 17th March 15.65 @ 6:35 m/m 3 mile warm-up, 10 @ MP based on last weekends race (6:13 according to McMillan), 2.65 cool-down.

    6:19, 6:19, 6:15, 6:10, 6:17, 6:12, 6:12, 6:04, 6:13, 6:10

    It's unreal what a little confidence can do.This time last week I wouldn't have even dreamed of doing this session. It wasn't easy by any means but I was in control for all of it. It did feel fast, I don't know if I could do 26 of them. I'll use this MP as much as I can for the remaining training but I think I'll go by feel on race day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    dermCu wrote: »
    Wed 17th March 15.65 @ 6:35 m/m 3 mile warm-up, 10 @ MP based on last weekends race (6:13 according to McMillan), 2.65 cool-down.

    6:19, 6:19, 6:15, 6:10, 6:17, 6:12, 6:12, 6:04, 6:13, 6:10

    It's unreal what a little confidence can do.This time last week I wouldn't have even dreamed of doing this session.

    Nice session Dermo, with a good taper you will be able to hold that pace for the marathon. The half marathon gave you the confidence you just have to believe in yourself on the day and go for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Abhainn


    Strong MP workout there Dermo. If you are biting at the bit in London you will have all ingrediants for a very strong run

    Oh and congrats on great time there on Sat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Thur 18th March: AM 4.25 @ 7:17 m/m Felt a bit sluggish, just going through the motions. Lunchtime 6 @ 7:10 m/m Felt much better at lunch got faster the longer the run went on. On the negative side I had a little bit of a niggle at the top of my right calf on both runs. It's just below the kneecap, doesn't really affect me when I'm running but I can feel it when I'm going up stairs. Feels better after stretching but I'd rather be rid of it.

    Fri 19th March: Decided to take a days rest to give my calf a chance to heal.

    Sat 20th March 23.4 @ 6:37 m/m: I had an open plan going in to this. In a perfect world I would have liked to keep an honest pace to 17.5 and then drop below 6:20 for the remainder. I knew pretty early that there wasn't a spring in my step. It took me a good few miles to warm up. It was pretty blustery as well so I settled for a steady pace throughout but I was tired at the end, the pace did slip a bit. Not too bothered considering the week I've had.

    Abhainn wrote: »
    Strong MP workout there Dermo. If you are biting at the bit in London you will have all ingrediants for a very strong run

    Oh and congrats on great time there on Sat

    Thanks Abhainn, I hope the taper will take care of that. It was nice to get an improved PB and see some reward for the hard work. Well done on your recent win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sun 21st March: Lunchtime 5.5 @ 7:23 Went off road for this one so it kept the pace down. Nice and sunny for a change. PM 6.1 @ 7:16

    Mon 22nd March: 10 @ 7:11 Was really tired on this one. Espcially the last couple of miles. I just couldn't get going.

    Tue 23rd March: AM 5.1 @ 6:58 Lunchtime 6 @ 7:00 Thankfully I felt much better this morning. I didn't hold back on the food last night, no junk, just more than usual. I'm taking that as a pretty obvious sign that I was depleted on Monday evening. I purposely had all my running done by lunch time today. I wont run my big session tomorrow until the evening so it gives me more than 24 hours to recover. Hope it works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Wed 24th March: 16 @ 6:45 m/m avg

    3 wu @ 7:10 m/m
    4 x 2 @ HMP with 2 mins rec - 5:52, 5:50, 5:54, 6:03 The last one got away from me a bit. I was tired but I think I switched off a bit mentally when I knew the session was almost in the bag. I didn't realise at the time that I was slowing. I think I could have picked it up if I'd realised.
    4.4 cd @ 7:22 m/m

    I had a mad idea earlier today that I might try to do the last 2 as a progression starting at 6:45 going down to 6:10 - what a joke, I was just happy to finish.
    4 x 2 at HMP looks ok on paper but its a different ball game in the middle of a 16 miler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    dermCu wrote: »
    4 x 2 at HMP looks ok on paper but its a different ball game in the middle of a 16 miler.

    Nice job DermCu. With those sessions, I find the cool down tough going. I find mentally I give up after the HMP miles and on the last set I say to myself that I'm done after it. Anyway, its a great session that one, I enjoy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Thur 25th March: lunchtime 6 at 7:16 m/m

    Fri 26th March: lunchtime 6 at 7:14 m/m My original plan was to do 8.5 before work but I couldn't drag myself out of bed so only had time for 6 at lunch.

    Sat 27th March:
    21.2 miles at 6:35 m/m avg
    10 easy @ 6:51 m/m then 10 at or under MP. 1 mile cool down.

    06:13, 06:14, 06:12, 06:11, 06:19, 06:22(came to full stop to pick up drink), 06:15, 06:23(fulll stop at bin to get rid of drink), 06:13, 06:06

    Exactly the session I wanted to do but it wasn't easy. I felt tired after the easy 10. There was no zip in my legs.
    I had to work hard to convince myself to go ahead with the 10 at MP. There was was a voice in my head that kept telling me to push it out to tomorrow. I'm glad I didn't.

    Anyway, its a great session that one, I enjoy it.

    What?? enjoy it?? Your hardcore.
    Only messing, I know what you mean. Its a real confidence builder when you get it right.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Sun 28th March: AM 6 @ 7:08 m/m felt great. PM 5.1 @ 6:55 m/m Still felt good. I was really surprised at
    how good I felt as the long run on Sat was hard work.

    Mon 29th March: 10 @ 7:05 m/m Ah, so it was just a case of delayed fatigue.... Felt like I was running in treacle.
    The weather was miserable, pissing down right from the start. British Summer Time my ass. Not much fun.

    Tue 30th March: 10 @ 6:53 m/m Much better although the weather was still crap. Really breezy.

    Wed 31st March: 18.2 @ 6:24 m/m Decided it was time to try out the famous 5/4/3/2/1 session.
    2 wu miles @ 7:04

    05:59
    06:04
    06:09
    06:04
    06:08

    06:10 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:07
    06:08
    06:09

    06:15 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:14
    06:02

    06:10 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:14

    06:04

    I was busy in work so didn't have time to set up an advanced workout on my Garmin - I presume that this is how people track this session?
    Just used a 1 mile auto lap and factored out the recovery time on the overlap miles. Not too bothered about the precision, the effort was good throughout.

    2 - 3 mins rec between sets. Pretty wrecked towards the end. I'm ok with that as 8 out of the first 9 miles were faster than my best case scenario MP. The wind was gusting in places so that didn't help either.
    That's about as hard as I'd like to push a mid week session. I can see why people 'like' this session.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    dermCu wrote: »
    Sun 28th March: AM 6 @ 7:08 m/m felt great. PM 5.1 @ 6:55 m/m Still felt good. I was really surprised at
    how good I felt as the long run on Sat was hard work.

    Mon 29th March: 10 @ 7:05 m/m Ah, so it was just a case of delayed fatigue.... Felt like I was running in treacle.
    The weather was miserable, pissing down right from the start. British Summer Time my ass. Not much fun.

    Tue 30th March: 10 @ 6:53 m/m Much better although the weather was still crap. Really breezy.

    Wed 31st March: 18.2 @ 6:24 m/m Decided it was time to try out the famous 5/4/3/2/1 session.
    2 wu miles @ 7:04

    05:59
    06:04
    06:09
    06:04
    06:08

    06:10 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:07
    06:08
    06:09

    06:15 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:14
    06:02

    06:10 (based on rough calculation as I had to remove recovery time)
    06:14

    06:04

    I was busy in work so didn't have time to set up an advanced workout on my Garmin - I presume that this is how people track this session?
    Just used a 1 mile auto lap and factored out the recovery time on the overlap miles. Not too bothered about the precision, the effort was good throughout.

    2 - 3 mins rec between sets. Pretty wrecked towards the end. I'm ok with that as 8 out of the first 9 miles were faster than my best case scenario MP. The wind was gusting in places so that didn't help either.
    That's about as hard as I'd like to push a mid week session. I can see why people 'like' this session.

    Great session. Average about 6:08-9 pace might bring the 2.40 into the picture?

    Your 23 miler at 6.35 was also a vital run I think.

    Well done in the HM, excellent run. Glad my recounting of my HM may have helped a bit. Hopefully my Paris marathon report will inspire in a different way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Abhainn


    Wow that was some session yesterday. Your looking very strong and 2:40 it would seem to be within reach.
    That would a nice step up though for me. I thought heading out on a 11 at MP was a fair session but then agan I got my 2:47 from low milage so I can be well thankful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,503 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Superb run dermCu. Was it actually enjoyable, or just hard?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Super effort on the 5-4-3-2-1. Great pace.

    I did a 4-3-2-1 session on Tuesday (as the addition of 5 miles would have made the run too long for where I'm at). I just relied on a mental count of miles to know when to end each set. That said, I did have to double-check once or twice on the first or second set, and would imagine it's more confusing when introducing the 5 mile set into it.

    It's a great session, and think it could replace the Predator run as my favoured session. Will do more of these, both within and outside of marathon training. The miles fly by and it was difficult to think at the end that I'd just clocked 10 miles PMP (albeit with some recovery jogs).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    T runner wrote: »
    Great session. Average about 6:08-9 pace might bring the 2.40 into the picture?

    Your 23 miler at 6.35 was also a vital run I think.

    Well done in the HM, excellent run. Glad my recounting of my HM may have helped a bit. Hopefully my Paris marathon report will inspire in a different way!

    I don't think sub 2:40 is on the cards. 6:05 pace is just a bit too quick for me. I can feel a big difference between that pace and 6:15 - 6:20
    We'll see how the pace feels on race day.
    Your race report was very much at the front of my mind when I was warming up for that HM. A very good lesson that I'm sure you'll take with you to Paris.
    That first mile down the Champs-Elysees is a flyer.
    Abhainn wrote: »
    I thought heading out on a 11 at MP was a fair session.
    11 at MP is a great session. In fact If anyone asked my advise I'd tell them not to attempt the 5/4/3/2/1 until you are able to do 10 - 12 at MP
    Superb run dermCu. Was it actually enjoyable, or just hard?
    The first 2 sets were enjoyable - It was nice to know that I was moving well even into the wind. Maybe I was being naive but I thought the third and fourth sets would be more enjoyable but they turned out to be the hard ones.
    I was pretty cold at the end so maybe that took a little bit of enjoyment out of it. See what I said in reply to Abhainn: I don't think many of us could take any enjoyment out of this session unless you have done a session of 10 -12 at MP before that. I guess that's why it comes at the end of the cycle - you really should be building to it.
    Peckham wrote: »
    It's a great session, and think it could replace the Predator run as my favoured session. Will do more of these, both within and outside of marathon training. The miles fly by and it was difficult to think at the end that I'd just clocked 10 miles PMP (albeit with some recovery jogs).

    Well done on the 4/3/2/1. I told you that there was time to get back on track!! You're right; its a great way of breaking up the session and making it speed by. I'm not too sure if I'd do this session outside of marathon training. Its very specific. In my mind its one of the sessions to hit right at the top of your training. Anyone who could do it outside of marathon training would get a huge amount of respect from me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    dermCu wrote: »
    ........

    What?? enjoy it?? Your hardcore.
    Only messing, I know what you mean. Its a real confidence builder when you get it right.

    Pot Kettle!

    Good job Derm. I done the 4/3/2/1 and enjoyed it too but I had company. Its so much easier with someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Dermo great running, would you say this is one off your best marathon cycles, because you seem to be getting faster? No pressure :D but you should have a shot at sub 2.40


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Thurs 1st April: 6 @ 7:02 m/m Tired at the start, came around towards the end.

    Fri 2nd April 10 @ 6:54 m/m felt good and had to hold back in places.

    Sat 3rd April 13.57 off road, cough cough.... involved a few hills, enough to make pace irrelevant. Enough said, it was tough.

    Sun 4th April: 5 @ 7:07 needed that recovery.

    Mon 5th April: 0 Rest - Had planned to do my long run but just didn't feel fresh enough. Looking back over my training log I saw that it was 16 days since I had a full day off. I took that as a sign to rest.

    Tue 6th April: 22.32 @ 6:35 m/m Was tried toward the end. Couldn't have picked up the pace over the last 5 even if I wanted to. Happy all the same to have the last long run out of the way. One more big session, maybe on Friday, then I'm done.
    heffsarmy wrote: »
    Dermo great running, would you say this is one off your best marathon cycles, because you seem to be getting faster? No pressure :D but you should have a shot at sub 2.40

    Yea, its the best pure marathon training I've done. In the past I was always trying to combine running with something else - good for endurance but I had zero speed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭dermCu


    Wed 7th April: 6 @ 7:11 m/m Fairly tired for the first 2 or 3 miles. I got the feeling that the 'high' mileage was starting to take it's toll.

    Thur 8th April: 6 @ 7:00 m/m: Got out at lunch, felt much better. Was fairly warm. I hope its not like that on race day.

    Fri 9th April: 16.6 @ 6:28 m/m

    2 wu @ 7:00 m/m
    10 @ MP
    6:17, 6:18, 6:10, 6:07, 6:13, 6:08, 6:15, 6:13, 6:11, 6:12
    4.6 cd, not a real cool down, finished a bit fast.

    Felt strong. I tried to keep the first 2 steady. I could have done more but it just didn't seem like the right thing to do. I was happy to finish strong instead.

    That's me done. It's just about maintenance and recovery from here on in.
    The last 2 weeks felt like they dragged on a bit, time to taper.


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