5 officials (well 6 really) for the World Cup

mike65

Step Ladder says extra officials for either end will almost certainly be used next summer.

SlickRic

it's going to be carnage.

that many egos trying to make a decision?

just bring in technology ffs...

That_Guy

mike65 wrote: »

Step Ladder says extra officials for either end will almost certainly be used next summer.

It's a step in the right direction anyway.

Ush1

Cameras are all ready in the stadiums...

GavRedKing

If its brought in at the WC does that mean that we will see it in the EPL, Serie A, La Liga, LOI, Champs League?

I pressume that if they are going to roll it out at the WC all the profesional organisations wil have to comply, Im open to correction onthis though.

We were talking about this today in work, if they want to avoid any situtation ever going the way of that incident in Paris the 4th Official should be allowed to watch a replay and be the TMO in this case, as even with the extra officials behoind each goal things can be missed, a simple moment or two's observation of the situtation can resolve any dispute to most arguments on the pitch.

jonnyfingers

That_Guy wrote: »

It's a step in the right direction anyway.

I completely disagree. It seems like they've chosen the hardest way to solve the problem. At the moment indecision between three refs, who are only human and can't see everything, means numerous bad decisions are made every game. Now we'll add the indecision of two more refs. How's that going to help? If anything the phrase "too many cooks...." comes to mind.

With all the cameras at the grounds, instant replays readilly available and almost every conceivable angle covered surely video evidence is the easiest route to go down. The fact that it works already for so many sports is even more compelling evidence in its favour.

This decision once again shows that FIFA is backwards and not willing to move with the times. Blatter is a buffoon who should be gotten rid of. As long as he's in charge and FIFA keep this backwards attitude the game is going to suffer.

Corben Dallas

sounds like a cop out, they need to bring in TV replays of Penalty decesions/ sending offs, and ball over the goal line etc. It should be severely limited so it does not disrupt gameplay too much. If Rugby can do it right so can Footie.

Even with 6 officials (ref, 2 linesmen, 2 goal side officials and the '4th official' (Techincal area) there will still be human error and stuff no official sees.

Third_Echelon

Corben Dallas wrote: »

sounds like a cop out, they need to bring in TV replays of Penalty decesions/ sending offs, and ball over the goal line etc. It should be severely limited so it does not disrupt gameplay too much. If Rugby can do it right so can Footie.

Even with 6 officials (ref, 2 linesmen, 2 goal side officials and the '4th official' (Techincal area) there will still be human error and stuff no official sees.

Defo... They are just trying to reduce the chances rather than bring in video, which would almost certainly get rid of the doubt in any decision...

From watching Everton in the UEFA cup this year, I've gotten to see the officials behind the goals on several occassions. It seems to work well. On a few occassions we have got a corner awarded to us (correctly by the official behind the goal) that the ref had thought was a goal kick..

It's the first step to solving the problem. No doubt in a few years there will be some decision that the official behind the goal will not see and they will have no choice but to bring in tv replays and a TMO (Tv Match Official) as in Rugby.

Dr. Dodger

The main objection people seem to have against Video technology is the way it will interrupt the flow of the game.

So if there is a penalty shout and it's not given or the ball crosses the line and it's not seen by the officials then the other team might have the chance to counter etc.

Say however, you bring in video technology and the decision is then sought, the next time the ball goes out of play. In the mean time, the video ref can be viewing the footage and can have his decision ready to go. This would cut back on any major stopages.

If the goal is scored or penalty given, well then the play is stopped anyway so theres time there to check the video regardless.

Option maybe?

I think the extra official will only cut out a certain % and you will still have human error. Stupid by FIFA really. Blatter & Platini should be ousted imo. I think they're corrupt and have lost sight on football being a global sport. They don't care about the smaller nations, that's clear. Seeding teams in play-offs was just the icing on the cake. All they want to do is have the biggest teams in the competitions to make more money. Can someone tell me how France deserve a seeding after finishing 2nd in their group. They were 2nd best, end of!

niallk

With so much at stake these days video technology is the only way forward. Defo for World Cups/Premierships/Champions Leagues etc. I think it should be at the ref's discretion when to use it (meaning they would have to become a lot less stubborn) as in when he is unsure about about a decision. One failed video challenge for each team per game but only for peno shouts, goal line doubts, and disallowed/wrongfully allowed goal. The challenge should be made within about 30 seconds of the incident.

Vurnon San Benito

Blatter and co want to keep the game as original as they can. ie not too much technology in it.

Although I'm rather in favour of keeping the history in the game, cameras + extra officials are needed to stop players 'cheating'

Only way really.

Holsten

Joke.

Total cop out.

pickarooney

Doocey wrote: »

Blatter and co want to keep the game as original as they can. ie not too much technology in it.

By 'original' do you mean as close to the origin or new and inventive?

SDTimeout

Lads ye gotta realise, like someone said this has to come in all along the board. Employing a few more people is hardly a bad thing. Especially in a time like this, and im sure there looking at the cost of putting all the video tech into place all along the board like you say. It would be easier to have extra lines men at a league 2 darlington and acc stanley match then make goal line camera technologyand the like at league 2 grounds

Pisco Sour

SDTimeout wrote: »

Lads ye gotta realise, like someone said this has to come in all along the board. Employing a few more people is hardly a bad thing. Especially in a time like this, and im sure there looking at the cost of putting all the video tech into place all along the board like you say. It would be easier to have extra lines men at a league 2 darlington and acc stanley match then make goal line camera technologyand the like at league 2 grounds

A Television Match Official wouldnt have to be used everywhere, just at the top level of Football (International Football, European Cup, top division of domestic leagues). In Tennis they only have the Hawkeye on the main showcourts at Wimbledon. On the outside courts there is no technology.

BaZmO*

So what will the remit be of these extra officials? Are they there simply to decide goal decisions or will they be there to spot other infringements like jersey pulling or holding onto players in the box during crosses?

If anything, there introduction will just add to the confusion of human error/judgment.

Can someone tell me why FIFA won't bring in the most simple solution (video technology) to the current problem?

larchielads

call it a kop out or whatever but surely its a step in the right direction. if an amateur sport like the gaa can have officials behind the goals, all be it only for point scoring and not spotting fouls or cheating etc, its about time fifa brought this is in. makes you wonder who the amateurs really are:rolleyes:



video tech is a must though. it'd never slow the game down as its not 90 mins any more. lets say a ball is a judged not to go over the line or it def was a foul and no pen given and the ref waves play on and other team goes up and scores all the while the 4th official or whoever could be looking at the incident and tells the ref that the ball did go over the line that it would simply be 1-1 or it def was a pen the team gets to take the penalty that should've been given. apply same logic to cheating diving or seeking to gain an advantage or whatever you wanna call it. simples:D

as for dealing with an off side say 20 - 30 yards from goal that'd be a tough one cos when the ball goes dead and the player is proven to be on side but ref/linesman gets it wrong how would you deal with that? where do you draw the line on video technology???

mike65

FIFA says no after all.

Third_Echelon

mike65 wrote: »

FIFA says no after all.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8391237.stm

Fifa rejects extra officials plan

Fifa has decided against introducing extra linesmen at the 2010 World Cup.

World football's governing body had been tipped to fast-track a decision on goal-line officials in the wake of the furore over Thierry Henry's handball.

Henry handled twice before setting up France's winner against the Republic of Ireland in their World Cup play-off.

But president Sepp Blatter revealed that an inquiry would be carried out into the benefits of video technology and extra officials.

Henry, meanwhile, will be investigated by Fifa's disciplinary committee.

The Fifa president said the executive committee had discussed the idea of introducing goal-line officials at the World Cup, as they have been in the Europa League this season.

He continued: "The committee was of the opinion that we are at a crossroads: where shall we go with refereeing in the future?
"The game at the highest level is so tense that it is impossible for one referee and his assistants to see everything."

But the committee concluded that they wanted a full inquiry into both options, extra officials and the use of video technology, before making any decision about the future.

Jazzy

i wish they would stop the foreplay and finally allow goaline technology. its going to happen. its a matter of time

The Volt

Jazzy wrote: »

i wish they would stop the foreplay and finally allow goaline technology. its going to happen. its a matter of time

More than likely it'll take one of the major powers alá France or Germany to be at the wrong end of a decision in the World Cup final against outsiders Slovenia in order for a change to come.

thebman

Voltwad wrote: »

More than likely it'll take one of the major powers alá France or Germany to be at the wrong end of a decision in the World Cup final against outsiders Slovenia in order for a change to come.

This.

ATM its fine but until a big country or a big club takes another to court over something they won't do anything.

They'll just sit on their holes and count their money.

BaZmO*

Voltwad wrote: »

More than likely it'll take one of the major powers alá France or Germany to be at the wrong end of a decision in the World Cup final against outsiders Slovenia in order for a change to come.

Not true. What about England in 86 or Italy under Trapattoni (can't remember the match). Thre are lenty of instanes where big teams have got the decisions against them. And by the looks of things there'll be more in the future.

I would love to know why FIA won't use the technology. Haven't heard their reasoning for not bringing it in.

thebman

BaZmO* wrote: »

Not true. What about England in 86 or Italy under Trapattoni (can't remember the match). Thre are lenty of instanes where big teams have got the decisions against them. And by the looks of things there'll be more in the future.

I would love to know why FIA won't use the technology. Haven't heard their reasoning for not bringing it in.

FIA?

BaZmO*

Could you not guess that it was a typo? FI(F)A

thebman

BaZmO* wrote: »

Could you not guess that it was a typo? FI(F)A

Well I thought its probably what you meant but since there is an FIA (the governing body for F1) an they use TV technology, I wanted to be sure as it wasn't clear if it was a typo or a poor swipe at another sport

I'm guessing the FAI wouldn't introduce it without Fifa approval or at least its the reason they'd give.