Ireland is a real Sh!thole

hooradiation · 07-12-2009 2:31pm

Dudess wrote: »

Fair enough. What I consider "meaningless drivel" though is the rhetoric from a bunch of relatively privileged kids trying to find reason to compare Ireland to something of a hell on earth, talk of "revolutions" etc ("censorship" accusations make me LOL in particular). I don't usually do the "there's always someone worse off than you" thing but I think in these laughable cases, perspective is needed.

Ireland isn't without its problems of course (yes, Fianna Fáil are crooks - always were though, funny how it's only being noticed now that things are bad; woeful health service, crap infrastructure, it's too expensive) and I fully agree there is a chasm between the haves and have-nots - particularly so during the boom... however, call me presumptuous, but I'm going to consider it a safe bet that people who whinge on a message-board, rather than being a bit more pro-active, aren't particularly affected.

well yeah, i just find the general habit of going "yeah but it's not Somalia" to be a very hollow because while technically true, nobody is going to move there.

I mean, you might as well say "yeah, but at least it's not the moon"

But i think both sides are guilty of exaggeration, but i just decided to pick on that particular sound bite because it gets wheeled out so often.

drumaneen · 07-12-2009 2:38pm

Duggy747 wrote: »

I came out of college just before the country fell apart, got a good job but was laid off 11 months later

Over-experienced and now have to get certificates proving I can already do something cuz nobody will hire me without them :mad:

Bah, I'm just miserable cuz a girl I know got a job I applied for, got fired a few weeks later, walked into a music shop I threw a C.V. into a few days earlier, asked for a job and she was given one right there on the spot.

:mad::mad::mad:
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Maybe she just talked better than you ... ?BECAUSE

jimmmy · 07-12-2009 2:52pm

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

The grass is always greener....

'tis always wetter here anyway !

kmick · 07-12-2009 2:56pm

hooradiation wrote: »

well yeah, i just find the general habit of going "yeah but it's not Somalia" to be a very hollow because while technically true, nobody is going to move there.

God knows I normally dont see eye to eye with Dudess

but on this one I agree wholeheartedly. The people in this country make it a fine place to live. One of the finest in the world. We should not lose sight of this. We have some problems but I would not want to live anywhere else and I am the furthest thing from a patriot you will find. Its safe, relatively well off, friendly, big social net if you fall off the path, good family structure, plenty of opportunity here even in the bad times. Of course we are never going to move to Somalia but it gives you an indication of what bad really is.

Nolanger · 07-12-2009 3:02pm

Dean0088 wrote: »

Bord Scannan na hEireann makes class films. I bet your just brain dead and sit around watching American Pie all night or some other piece of US trash. Culture my friend. Sit back, think about it. It's great when embraced.

Bet you'be seen about 10 of the 170 Bord Scannan na hEireann movies?

hooradiation · 07-12-2009 3:03pm

kmick wrote: »

God knows I normally dont see eye to eye with Dudess but on this one I agree wholeheartedly. The people in this country make it a fine place to live. One of the finest in the world. We should not lose sight of this. We have some problems but I would not want to live anywhere else and I am the furthest thing from a patriot you will find. Its safe, relatively well off, friendly, big social net if you fall off the path, good family structure, plenty of opportunity here even in the bad times. Of course we are never going to move to Somalia but it gives you an indication of what bad really is.

If we're going to go into the merits of Ireland Vs other places to live I'd have thought it'd have been useful to limit to the places with make comparisons with to places people would actually go.

Like i said, otherwise it's a case of "shure isn't Ireland grand, I mean if ya think it's bad, go live on the moon! Asphyxiation will soften yer cough for ya!"

kmick · 07-12-2009 3:25pm

hooradiation wrote: »

If we're going to go into the merits of Ireland Vs other places to live I'd have thought it'd have been useful to limit to the places with make comparisons with to places people would actually go.

Like i said, otherwise it's a case of "shure isn't Ireland grand, I mean if ya think it's bad, go live on the moon! Asphyxiation will soften yer cough for ya!"

No what I am trying to say is people are saying Ireland is "really bad" but in fact we are only short a bit of perspective. Italy is 100 times more corrupt than we will ever be but because the sun shines and they make nice pizza we imagine its a paradise. Berlesconi invites 18 year old women to his palaces and they give him sexual favours in return for things and the Italian edition of Rolling Stone make him the rockstar of the year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5AM2LV20091123

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-12-2009 3:33pm

Dudess wrote: »

Ireland isn't without its problems of course (yes, Fianna Fáil are crooks - always were though, funny how it's only being noticed now that things are bad; woeful health service, crap infrastructure, it's too expensive) and I fully agree there is a chasm between the haves and have-nots - particularly so during the boom... however, call me presumptuous, but I'm going to consider it a safe bet that people who whinge on a message-board, rather than being a bit more pro-active, aren't particularly affected.

Aha! Bluff called! Although emigrating is probably not what you had in mind!

Seriously, though, the main reasons I left were more to do with close-mindedness and begrudger as well as overall greed than anythign mentioned above. That's soemthing I can never change.

But you are right - and herein lieth the crux of the problem - not matter how bad things get people will always reject change.

Highly Salami · 07-12-2009 3:35pm

kmick wrote: »

, plenty of opportunity here even in the bad times.

I don't think Ireland in the 80's was like that!

hooradiation · 07-12-2009 3:37pm

kmick wrote: »

No what I am trying to say is people are saying Ireland is "really bad" but in fact we are only short a bit of perspective. Italy is 100 times more corrupt than we will ever be but because the sun shines and they make nice pizza we imagine its a paradise. Berlesconi invites 18 year old women to his palaces and they give him sexual favours in return for things and the Italian edition of Rolling Stone make him the rockstar of the year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5AM2LV20091123

to be fair, that IS pretty rock 'n' roll.

But yeah, you're right. Italy is a valid country for comparison to Ireland, not Burma.

Then again, i prefer living in the UK to living in Ireland.

Noffles · 07-12-2009 3:57pm

What a great thread... bashing Ireland... and it truly does deserve it too...

I'll not go into the usual list, roads, health, government etc etc... No point been said a thousand times... and are all true!

But what I will say, living anywhere outside one of the bigger cities... Dublin, Cork or Galway and you're basically living in the dark ages... the people living in these areas are basically trolls who haven't a clue about the "real" world. they sprout this ****e about "it's grand living in the countryside...." what ****e 90% of the ****ing country is countryside due to the complete lack of infrastructure (crap, thought I said I wouldn't mention that).... Anyway I digress, I could write all day...

In a nutshell......... It is a ****hole!

CamperMan · 07-12-2009 4:01pm

all countries have problems... on the whole, I like Ireland...

furiousox · 07-12-2009 4:03pm

Noffles wrote: »

What a great thread... bashing Ireland... and it truly does deserve it too...

I'll not go into the usual list, roads, health, government etc etc... No point been said a thousand times... and are all true!

But what I will say, living anywhere outside one of the bigger cities... Dublin, Cork or Galway and you're basically living in the dark ages... the people living in these areas are basically trolls who haven't a clue about the "real" world. they sprout this ****e about "it's grand living in the countryside...." what ****e 90% of the ****ing country is countryside due to the complete lack of infrastructure (crap, thought I said I wouldn't mention that).... Anyway I digress, I could write all day...

In a nutshell......... It is a ****hole!

the airport's that way

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Noffles · 07-12-2009 5:19pm

furiousox wrote: »

the airport's that way
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Thanks for letting me know... would love to get a train to the airport like most civilized countries.... haha, not in Ireland

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-12-2009 5:23pm

furiousox wrote: »

the airport's that way
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Not for much longer!

Highly Salami · 07-12-2009 5:25pm

Noffles wrote: »

... would love to get a train to the airport like most civilized countries.... haha, not in Ireland

Not for much longer!

furiousox · 07-12-2009 5:36pm

Noffles wrote: »

Thanks for letting me know... would love to get a train to the airport like most civilized countries.... haha, not in Ireland

l'm just wondering why you choose to live here, seeing as its such a sh!thole?

BraziliaNZ · 07-12-2009 5:51pm

Noffles wrote: »

Thanks for letting me know... would love to get a train to the airport like most civilized countries.... haha, not in Ireland

Like Perth, Auckland, Wellington, Melbourne, one of those places?

Noffles · 07-12-2009 6:17pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Like Perth, Auckland, Wellington, Melbourne, one of those places?

You're ****ing kidding me right... Perth? It's more backward than this place is!!

But anyway, you're getting away from the main point of ****holeness...

Don't just focus on one thing, there's a whole cocktail of things... and it's not just me thinking this either.

But I do understand you being defensive it's only right if it's your country.... thankfully it aint mine.

BraziliaNZ · 07-12-2009 6:19pm

Noffles wrote: »

You're ****ing kidding me right... Perth? It's more backward than this place is!!

But anyway, you're getting away from the main point of ****holeness...

Don't just focus on one thing, there's a whole cocktail of things... and it's not just me thinking this either.

But I do understand you being defensive it's only right if it's your country.... thankfully it aint mine.

Perth is a lovely place.
Well what gold-paved paradise are you from then?

gcgirl · 07-12-2009 6:21pm

Ireland has gone to the dogs greed has got the better of some people ! i hate the people who live here and their backstabbing nature !! i'd really like to get out of this sh!th0le!!

Noffles · 07-12-2009 6:24pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Perth is a lovely place.
Well what gold-paved paradise are you from then?

I don't believe we're discussing where Noffles is from?

Perth is a lovely place I agree, but in terms of keeping up with the rest of the world it doesn't, it's in the middle of the eighties.

But again we're not discussing Perth.

BraziliaNZ · 07-12-2009 6:25pm

Noffles wrote: »

I don't believe we're discussing where Noffles is from?

Perth is a lovely place I agree, but in terms of keeping up with the rest of the world it doesn't, it's in the middle of the eighties.

But again we're not discussing Perth.

well you should really disbar yourself from this conversation if you're not willing to say where you're from.

Edit: You didn't happen to get dumped by whatever bird brought you here in the first place did you?

schween · 07-12-2009 6:27pm

gcgirl wrote: »

Ireland has gone to the dogs greed has got the better of some people ! i hate the people who live here and their backstabbing nature !! i'd really like to get out of this sh!th0le!!

Most people I know in Ireland are fairly nice. I keep away from the few idiots and bad people I know. You need new friends, not a new country. :P

Noffles · 07-12-2009 6:27pm

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

well you should really disbar yourself from this conversation if you're not willing to say where you're from.

Edit: You didn't happen to get dumped by whatever bird brought you here in the first place did you?

Now now... play fair, you're isolating my posts and simply picking on whatever I say... there are other people posting nastiness too you know.

But since you brought it up, no I didn't.

BraziliaNZ · 07-12-2009 6:29pm

Noffles wrote: »

Now now... play fair, you're isolating my posts and simply picking on whatever I say... there are other people posting nastiness too you know.

But since you brought it up, no I didn't.

well if you think this place is that bad, you really need to travel a bit more. Considering where we came from and that in history most of our population just emigrated, we're not doing too bad. We have always been a relative backwater compared to the other Western European countries.

a-k-47 · 07-12-2009 6:39pm

Everytime i look at the concern ads on tv, then i forget about how tough some people THINK they have it here. Get a grip you bitches.

furiousox · 07-12-2009 6:47pm

To all the posters bitching about how awful it is to live here....

Why are you living here if its such a sh1thole??

Stop moaning about it, have the courage of your convictions and move somewhere "nicer"!

Hank_Jones · 07-12-2009 6:52pm

Moaning about this ****hole is part of what makes us Irish. We have always moaned about this country. The crap weather, the crap government, the crap weather. I suppose Irish people just have a bit of a negative outlook regarding the country, lets face it though it could be worse.

Thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay.

furiousox · 07-12-2009 6:58pm

Noffles wrote: »

But I do understand you being defensive it's only right if it's your country.... thankfully it aint mine.

You moved here mate (and stayed), so is where you're from an even bigger sh!thole?

Ireland is a real Sh!thole

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