cupla ceist (aríst!!)

pog it

Bhí mé ag iarraidh 'our peoples' a rá ar maidin agus ní raibh mé cinnte faoin fhoirm iolra. Ár muintireacha nó ár muintir? Just tá mé ag ceapadh go bhfuil an fhoirm uatha ag dul théis 'ár' fiu nuair atá an fhoirm iolra i gceist agat..
An bhfuil breall orm?

pog it

oh sea, ceann a dó!

chuala mé 'faitíoch' á rá ag Máirtín Tom Sheáinín agus bhí mé ag cuimhniú air (más an focal ceart é 'cuimhniú' anseo fiú!) agus an bhfuil an focal seo 'faitíoch' ann ó chianaibh nó an aidiacht é a tháinig as 'faitíos'?

An gal gréine

Caidé fá "ár ndaoine" don iolra?

Úsáidtear 'faiteach' go minic, agus tagann sé ó 'faitíos'; an é sin a bhí M.T.S. ag brath?

pog it

Ní Máirtín é féin a bhí faiteach ach d'úsáid sé an focal sin agus é ag cur ceiste ar dhuine.

so faiteach, in áit faitíoch. Sea tá ciall leis sin. Go raibh míle!

Maidir le 'muintir' bhí mé ag iarraidh cur síos a dhéanamh ar muintir Liatroima le hais contae eile! So sin an cúis a ndealraíonn 'daoine' ró chúng liom.

An gal gréine

Cluintear "our peoples" sa bhéarla ceart go leor; is dóiche go bhfuil "ár muintearacha" togha sa chomhthéasc sin.
Úsáidtear "ag brath" gan "ar" á leanstan le haghaidh "i gceist" i dTír Chonaill.
Mar smampla: An bhfuil tú ag brath mo mharú?/ An bhfuil sé i gceist agat mé a mharú? Is cinnte nach duine faiteach é M.T.S. bail ó Dhia air.

pog it

Cinnte nach bhfuil

Do you think that faiteach is more of a modern turn of phrase from faitíos or is it around as long as faitíos?

(Gal, sorry, we got our wires crossed. I understood what you meant by ag brath there, didn't realise you were asking me is faitios meaning what MTS meant there, as i had got that from context of his question..Wondering more so is faiteach kinda new term.
Getting too academic now! I'm presuming it's acting like áthasach which adj of áthas... and perfectly acceptable eh )

thanks for the help again,
S

Poll Dubh

pog it wrote: »

Do you think that faiteach is more of a modern turn of phrase from faitíos or is it around as long as faitíos?

Ag ceistiú Gaeilge M.T.S? Níl aon duine sábháilte:rolleyes:. Fuair mé faiteach i bhfoclóir Dineen a bhí foilsithe i 1904.

pog it

god no way am I questioning MTS! He is a major hero of mine. I listen to his irish all the time- he is my favourite Irish speaker! And even if did throw in a few new phrases, sure isn't that what the language is all about? Part. for native speakers.

I was questioning how long has faiteach been around. thanks for your answer in relation to that.

Cheers for your help but you are getting the wrong end of the stick if you think i was questioning MTS. Can I not ask a question about how long a word has been around? i fully intend on using it now that I have heard it by the way. I have learned a lot from Mairtin already and the learning continues!

Bail o dhia air go deo.

An gal gréine

I'm at one with pog it as regards Máirtín.
'Faiteach' I've always heard up north more regularly for 'shy' than 'cúthalach' -which is also used.

Micilin Muc

pog it wrote: »

Just tá mé ag ceapadh go bhfuil an fhoirm uatha ag dul théis 'ár' fiu nuair atá an fhoirm iolra i gceist agat..
An bhfuil breall orm?

Tá an ceart agat ar bhealach. Mura bhfuil ach ceann amháin den rud ag an duine, ní féidir an uimhir iolra a úsáid tar éis 'ár' nó 'bhur'. Mar shampla, 'glanaigí bhur n-aghaidh' agus 'scríobhaigí síos bhur n-ainm'.

ballsymchugh

my written irish has gone to the dogs in the past few years, but where do people get the t at the end of arís??!

pog it

Aríst is used in Conamara. I think I picked it up from 'Learning Irish' book by M O'Siadhail as well.

ballsymchugh

grand, thanks. i thought i used conemara irish!!

pog it

Arís could well be used lots there as well though! Somebody else will be better informed than me on it that's for sure.

Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla ( N Ó Dónaill) has it as a variation on 'arís' at the bottom of description.

And 'again' is 'arithist' in Scots Gaelic.

An gal gréine

That 't' with arís is also widespread in Donegal.

Micilin Muc

'aríst' is also used i nGaelainn na Mumhan!

An gal gréine

If it's used in all the provinces, why is discarded by the Caighdeán Oifigiúil ?
Incidentally the Gaidhlig is a-rithist.