The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

rockonollie

rockonollie wrote: »

Other interesting story from today......Ryan Tannehill's wife rented a car recently, returned it 2 hours later, but left an AR-15 behind

Link to the actual story....... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1924941-lauren-tannehill-leaves-ar-15-rifle-in-back-of-rental-car

Realt Dearg Sec

rockonollie wrote: »

Other interesting story from today......Ryan Tannehill's wife rented a car recently, returned it 2 hours later, but left an AR-15 behind

I seem to remember her being ridiculously hot in hard knocks last year

rockonollie

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I seem to remember her being ridiculously hot in hard knocks last year

Well she is a model......

Realt Dearg Sec

rockonollie wrote: »

Well she is a model......

But of course! Unlike most millionaire NFL quarterbacks, Tannehill is into really beautiful models for some reason.

But any excuse for pictures is a good one.

rockonollie

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

But of course! Unlike most millionaire NFL quarterbacks, Tannehill is into really beautiful models for some reason.

But any excuse for pictures is a good one.

It's rumored that Ryan Tannehill was only drafted so that the front office staff could hang with Lauren in the private boxes during games.

Hazys

rockonollie wrote: »

Reports that Rex Ryan has a multi-year extension with the Jets......length to be announced.

Apparently it is based a lot on incentives for playoff performance, meaning that Ryan will be working for almost nothing.

Did they not learn anything from the Sanchez extension?

Here is a live look in at the Jets' front office as they made the decision:

HigginsJ

Hazys wrote: »

Did they not learn anything from the Sanchez extension?

Here is a live look in at the Jets' front office as they made the decision:

TBF Rex is one of the best coaches in the NFL so I wouldn't be criticising the Jets for the decision

Hazys

HigginsJ wrote: »

TBF Rex is one of the best coaches in the NFL so I wouldn't be criticising the Jets for the decision

Obviously I'm being a bit harsh on Rex but saying he is one of the best coaches in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

He is a great defensive coordinator, he never fields anything less than a top 10 defense but as a head coach he is most certainly lacking.

He was successfully at the start of his career because his brashness attracted troubled players others wouldn't touch on cheap last chance contracts (Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards, etc). The roster he had in his first few seasons was stacked with talent. The GM at the time, Tannenbaum fcuked the roster up spending big to win now, worry about salary cap later. So Rex got a very talented roster to the AFC Championship two years in a row, reasonably impressive but how many coaches with that talent could do the same? Yes, he had them running on fake bravado but as soon as the cracks in the bravado began to show, the locker room started to fall apart.

As soon as the cracks began to show, the players started turning on each other, contract holdouts, Rex's statements became less brash, retracted guarantees on Super Bowl wins and starting QBs, fought with the media, desperation moves (Tebow, Reed) and it showed on the field...they became the laughing stock of the NFL.

So the question I ask is how much of Rex's successes came from being a good coach and how much of it came from a stacked roster and fake bravado? Neither of which he will be able to get back anytime soon.

Billy86

HigginsJ wrote: »

TBF Rex is one of the best coaches in the NFL so I wouldn't be criticising the Jets for the decision

Not sure if I would say one of the best best, but he's done pretty well with what he's had there and bounced back quite well this year. He also fits the New York media, which is a reasonably important thing, since being manager of a NY sports team is like being manager of Man Utd, Real Madrid, etc in terms of pressure regardless of how good the team actually is.

Hazys

Billy86 wrote: »

Not sure if I would say one of the best best, but he's done pretty well with what he's had there and bounced back quite well this year. He also fits the New York media, which is a reasonably important thing, since being manager of a NY sports team is like being manager of Man Utd, Real Madrid, etc in terms of pressure regardless of how good the team actually is.

He suits the NY media because he creates a circus for them and they love it. Rex plays with fire and a lot of times he's got burned by the NY media.

Tom Coughlin (the exact opposite of Rex) deals with the same NY media and he seems to have no troubles with them.

TO.

Hazys wrote: »

He suits the NY media because he creates a circus for them and they love it. Rex plays with fire and a lot of times he's got burned by the NY media.

Tom Coughlin (the exact opposite of Rex) deals with the same NY media and he seems to have no troubles with them.

I would agree with this and Hazy's other post. Rex is a media whore and creates his own problems with the NY media. He is his own worst enemy when he opens his mouth.

As for his coaching he most definitely is a fantastic coach but he would be better off as a Defensive Coordinator where he would be one of the best in the business. He just doesn't seem to be able to manage a whole team and his offenses suck lets face it. It doesn't matter what Offensive Coord he has they just cant seem to get it right.

I do think I would like to see him try be a HC elsewhere to see if it is just a NY thing or is it just Rex is not HC material.

Billy86

TO. wrote: »

I would agree with this and Hazy's other post. Rex is a media whore and creates his own problems with the NY media. He is his own worst enemy when he opens his mouth.

As for his coaching he most definitely is a fantastic coach but he would be better off as a Defensive Coordinator where he would be one of the best in the business. He just doesn't seem to be able to manage a whole team and his offenses suck lets face it. It doesn't matter what Offensive Coord he has they just cant seem to get it right.

I do think I would like to see him try be a HC elsewhere to see if it is just a NY thing or is it just Rex is not HC material.

Coughlin has had better talent to work with and would have been sacked twice already almost certainly, only for his job to be saved by the two SB wins. Not to take away from Coughlin who is a top quality coach (especially since mellowing somewhat - which he apparently did in '07 because he was basically resigned to being sacked and wanted to at least leave things on a good note), but that same NY media has been absolutely all over Coughlin on numerous occasions in the past too. Ryan got them to two AFC Championship games (including away wins against the Patriots AND Colts in the playoffs), but it's the rings that get some 'free passes' - Coughlin had the additional talent to get them that.

As for offensive short-fallings, that all depends on just how much say he had in the team - you could have put Mark Sanchez in any literally offence in the league and they would still struggle. The guy is in the Blaine Gabbert tier of terribleness. They haven't even needed a great QB or anything, just someone not sh!t... pretty much every year since Rex Ryan has been there htey've been around top 5 in rushing yards, but bottom 5 in passing yards (and more importantly, passing yards per attempt). Factor in Sanchez's 89 turnovers(!!) in four years to that and Geno Smith's 25 from this year (though as a rookie he gets -somewhat- of a pass) and it's obvious that just having a solid game manager type in there over that time could have made a LOT of difference.

Rex Ryan typifies the Jets also though, for better or for worse - loud, brash, flamboyant and attention seeking. He's about the most apt coach to his franchise that I can think of since Cowher was with the Steelers, in that sense (personality). What for me would be interesting would be if he went to a college programme for a while to refine his overall 'game' and return down the line, ala Pete Carroll. Then again, the Ryan's are very much an "NFL family" so I wouldn't see him taking that route.

Now even though it was never going to happen, I would have gnawed my own hand off for him to have got the sack and become defensive co-ordinator in Green Bay.

TO.

Billy86 wrote: »

Coughlin has had better talent to work with and would have been sacked twice already almost certainly, only for his job to be saved by the two SB wins. Not to take away from Coughlin who is a top quality coach (especially since mellowing somewhat - which he apparently did in '07 because he was basically resigned to being sacked and wanted to at least leave things on a good note), but that same NY media has been absolutely all over Coughlin on numerous occasions in the past too. Ryan got them to two AFC Championship games (including away wins against the Patriots AND Colts in the playoffs), but it's the rings that get some 'free passes' - Coughlin had the additional talent to get them that. As for offensive short-fallings, that all depends on just how much say he had in the team - you could have put Mark Sanchez in any literally offence in the league and they would still struggle. The guy is in the Blaine Gabbert tier of terribleness.

But Coughlin doesnt rise to the NY media at all and that is he key here. It doesnt matter what the NY media say about the Giants good or bad he never gets into the thick of it. Rex on the other hand is a Journos dream because everytime he opens his mouth its news worthy when it comes to the thrash media in NY.

Now even though it was never going to happen, I would have gnawed my own hand off for him to have got the sack and become defensive co-ordinator in Green Bay.

I think every NFL team would love to have him on board as their D coordinator and I include the Pats in that sentiment.

osl

I think Rex has done remarkably well. Are people forgetting how unbelievably bad Sanchez was/is? He got to the AFC title game with close to the worst, if not the worst starting QB in the league twice

Billy86

TO. wrote: »

But Coughlin doesnt rise to the NY media at all and that is he key here. It doesnt matter what the NY media say about the Giants good or bad he never gets into the thick of it. Rex on the other hand is a Journos dream because everytime he opens his mouth its news worthy when it comes to the thrash media in NY.

Thing is, that's exactly what Woody Johnson wants whereas the Mara's like to keep things lower key - so how they react matters more to their bosses than the media. There's kind of a 'new money/old money' dynamic between those two clubs, and Johnson seems to have a major inferiority complex over the Giants' higher profile as a club - my opinion is he LIKES Rex Ryan getting his team in the papers, for better or for worse (hence, Hard Knocks), as opposed to guys like Mangini or Herm Edwards who weren't horrible coaches, but were pretty boring as personalities.

I think every NFL team would love to have him on board as their D coordinator and I include the Pats in that sentiment.

You don't have Dom 'Used to be good, now parts the Red Sea like Moses' Capers running the show, though.

Billy86

osl wrote: »

I think Rex has done remarkably well. Are people forgetting how unbelievably bad Sanchez was/is? He got to the AFC title game with close to the worst, if not the worst starting QB in the league twice

Ironically enough, Sanchez actually played quite well in those two runs - though they lose the two games where he threw for over 200 yards. It was their formidable running game (that averaged over 130 a game for those 6 playoff matches) that really drove them forward though. Which is where the shame is in my opinion, because even a decent game manager like a 35/36 year old Jon Kitna-type might just have been able to help them clock up enough points and play smart enough to at least get them to one of the Superbowls. Imagine even if they had convinced Favre to come back over the Vikings!

TO.

I actually dont get why people are throwing Sanchez under the bus when it comes to Rex Ryan and the Jets. Lets not forget Rex Ryan drafted Sanchez with the 5th pick overall and Rex Ryan was the one who put all that faith in Sanchez to begin with. Even after it was clear Sanchez was not the Franchise QB Rex still put faith in him until Geno came along and even then that whole thing was a mess. Rex Ryan is the reason why Mark Sanchez continued being a starting QB in the NFL. Rex had plenty of opportunities to draft someone else or get someone in the FA but they extended Sanchez contract for more ridiculous money.

osl wrote: »

I think Rex has done remarkably well. Are people forgetting how unbelievably bad Sanchez was/is? He got to the AFC title game with close to the worst, if not the worst starting QB in the league twice

To be fair Rex had an amazing Defense and solid running game. Any average QB could have gotten them there. Oddly enough as Billy86 said Sanchez played well in that run. But Ryan was smart by limiting Sanchez and depending on his run game and defense.

For me unless the Jets have an amazing draft this year I can't see them being anything better than average again next year and I don't mean that in a bad way I just feel Ryan has run his course there.

Paully D

Devon Bess posted a picture of (presumably his) weed and accompanying paraphernalia two days ago, then got arrested last night for assaulting a police officer:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1926937-davone-bess-arrested-on-assault-charges

Geno Smith was escorted out of an airport terminal today by police because of the following:

http://deadspin.com/geno-smith-allegedly-escorted-off-plane-by-lax-cops-1503821554?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

We were waiting for our flight at LAX to Vegas and were put on standby on Virgin American just like Geno. We were told to get seat assignment at 2:40. Apparently Geno was not on board with that. My friend walked over to discuss seat assignment and Geno was saying to airline ticket agents, "**** that, this is bull****." "Why the **** do I have to wait until 2:40." He would not let it go. He continued to curse and be loud for about 5 minutes. Police were called. They talked for a few minutes and then 3 officers escorted him out of the terminal.

And so it begins :pac:

Masked Man

Look up what Kellen Winslow got arrested for back in November!

rockonollie

Paully D wrote: »

Devon Bess posted a picture of (presumably his) weed and accompanying paraphernalia two days ago, then got arrested last night for assaulting a police officer:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1926937-davone-bess-arrested-on-assault-charges

Geno Smith was escorted out of an airport terminal today by police because of the following:

http://deadspin.com/geno-smith-allegedly-escorted-off-plane-by-lax-cops-1503821554?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow



And so it begins :pac:

The big question here is why is a starting NFL QB flying stand-by.

GoldFour4

So I was extremely confused by all the "omaha omaha" stuff Peyton was doing last week. I was browsing reddit this morning and this was on the front page. This user gives a pretty detailed going over of the pre snap moves. Hope it can help some of ye too if ye were confused!

Typically:
1 - The offensive coordinator calls the plays (some head coaches serve as their own OC's). If the OC is in the booth, he relays it down to the sideline because the radio communication to the QB is only allowed from the sideline. Usually the QB coach is the relay man. If the OC is down on the field, he speaks to the QB directly.
2 - Everyone wearing a headset talks and listens to each other. The HC is listening and comments (and calling plays if he serves as his own OC.) The other guys are chiming in with whatever they observe and are offering suggestions. Some guy in the booth is tasked with saying to the HC whether or not to challenge a play. All of this is open line (I believe) - so it's a perpetual conference call.
3a - Huddle talk. A play is called, and often some codes to switch to different plays. Also, the QB will say if (using Peyton Manning as an example) "Omaha!" means something or not. For example, the QB can say we'll run play X unless I say "eagle" in which case we'll run play Y. Omaha means the snap count is changed to two instead of one - beware of the hard count.
3b - LOS talk - the Center is calling out the blocking scheme. The QB is deciding, based on what he sees whether or not to go to Eagle, and whether or not Omaha will be invoked. The QB may signal a man to go in motion so he can see how the defense responds (if someone runs with him, it's man, if not, it's zone). If he has called "Eagle" then the teams knows to run the play designated Eagle. But the QB could call out "Raptor" which means nothing - he's just making sure that the defense can't figure out the code words, or he's seeing if the defense will change alignment. Even if he has called "eagle" he can then kill it and go back to the original play (usually "Kill! Kill! Kill!"). He can then go to his hard count, which is an attempt to draw the D offsides, but's it's also a chance to see how LB's and DB's move.
Going through a scenario:
QB calls Play X, Eagle Y, Omaha 4 (X and Y are usually very jargon-y, so we'll skip that for now) in the huddle.
They come to the line. the Center informs the rest of the line, that the D is lined up in a base 3-4, which due to study sessions previously in the week, means the line will use Blocking scheme A for X or blocking scheme B for Y. Or the center could use a code word to switch up the blocking scheme if it wasn't covered in the study session. Furthermore adjusts can be made by identifying the "Mike" - the primary MLB. Hence "54 is the Mike! 54 is the Mike!"
Meanwhile the QB decides whether the original play X or the Eagle play Y (and note, they could be other code words that mean specific plays - if the QB says "Hawk" every knows that Hawk is play Z). Let's say he wants to stick with play X, but he wants to know more about the defense. He calls his WR to go in motion, but then return to his original spot. The defender runs with the motion man. So it's likely man coverage, at least for that guy. Play X really only works against zone coverage, so he changes: "Eagle! Eagle! Eagle!" The QB pauses and see if the defense changes - they don't, so he calls Omaha which means we're going on the 4th hut. "Omaha! Omaha! HUUUUTTTTT!"
No one jumps offside on defense, but two LB's show blitz. the QB decides they we're fooled by the count. So now he knows that it's man coverage with a two man blitz. Furthermore, he might notice that the identity of "Mike" has changed. So instead of continuing the count, he calls (and points) "51 is the Mike! 51 is the Mike!"
The defense now has to decide if knowing that the offense knows it's a blitz will be too risky, in which case, they can start calling codes, too. They will have codes to switch to a different blitz, change back to base defense, or possibly anything. The d-signal caller now starts yelling (well, continues, as he, like the QB has been calling signals since he saw the O come to the line).
Now the QB has to decide if the D has switched out of the scheme he thinks they're in, or if it was a bluff, and they're still gonna do it. So, he starts the count again. "Omaha! Omaha!" - turns the count back to 4.
HUTT-HUTT!!!!
Now the defense may jump again, and the QB will think he's got them in the man coverage, two LB blitz for real, and so he continues his count.
HUTT-HUTT!!!!
That's four HUTs so the ball is snapped, and the play has begun.
4 Pointing
Covered earlier, but the QB often corrects the C's call of Mike (or in some cases has sole authority to decide on who the Mike is). Or if he thinks, based on what he thinks he knows, that, say the SS is on a blitz, he'll point it out, so his back will know who to look for on the blitz pickup (or the OL will change protection schemes to pick up the blitz themselves.
5 Defense signals. Imagine the whole process in reverse, without access to the snap count. the D signal called gets a call from the sideline (either relayed to him from the sideline, or called by the DC or HC from the sideline). They'll have one defense called, another to switch to on a code word. They will also have other code words to change to specific other schemes and of course Kill! as well.
As the offense does it's things, the defensive signal caller tries to glean what he can about the play they've called. If the O-line is in three point stances, they may favor the run (or they may be pretending to run and then pass). If they are in a two point stance (standing up, it's the opposite. The offense alignment may tell the defense what types of plays it can run from that set, so the d-signal caller can remind his teammates either through codes or or through just yelling "watch for the draw!" (for example) directly. Then if the QB is switching things around or pretending to, the d-signal caller can switch things up or pretend to.
6 The Booth
If the OC or DC is up there, he is communicating to the sideline the plays he wants. He is also communcating with his subordinate coaches and the HC other things that may be of value. If he's not up there, someone else will be, relaying his observations from the booth. They also have phone lines to speak to players directly on the sideline. There is another guy who, among his other responsibilities, will be to monitor the stadium replays and (I think) the telecast to see whether or not to challenge a play (or even directly because he has a better view). Someone else will be logging a bunch of things (plays called, penalties, observations about the opponents, play results, etc for analysis the following week.
The shocking thing about all of this is they either 25 or 40 seconds to accomplish all of this ****. It's sort of ridiculous - it's like high speed poker and then high speed violence all at once.

Link here

Jolly Red Giant

malistheman wrote: »

So I was extremely confused by all the "omaha omaha" stuff Peyton was doing last week. I was browsing reddit this morning and this was on the front page. This user gives a pretty detailed going over of the pre snap moves. Hope it can help some of ye too if ye were confused!

And it demonstrates that if you have all the talent in the world but you are not smart you will struggle big-time in the NFL. Smart players who know what they are doing, know their ability and their limitations, will make it to the top of the pile and will become the bedrock of every team.

Lionbacker

Here's a fun quiz. Name the players who put up best stats in various categories during the regular season.
Quite proud of my score of 111.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/akabuca96/nfl-leaders-2013

PS: Its quicker if you just enter the players surnames.

matthew8

Lionbacker wrote: »

Here's a fun quiz. Name the players who put up best stats in various categories during the regular season.
Quite proud of my score of 111.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/akabuca96/nfl-leaders-2013

PS: Its quicker if you just enter the players surnames.

112 but gave up. Would have just been guessing.

rockonollie

Lionbacker wrote: »

Here's a fun quiz. Name the players who put up best stats in various categories during the regular season.
Quite proud of my score of 111.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/akabuca96/nfl-leaders-2013

PS: Its quicker if you just enter the players surnames.

120.....mostly because of repeat offenders

adrian522

Well this is certainly weird, Taiwanese animated preview of the NFL title game. Very strange indeed.

Moist Bread

adrian522 wrote: »

Well this is certainly weird, Taiwanese animated preview of the NFL title game. Very strange indeed.

This is possibly the best thing on the internet.

SameOleJay

What, in the name of god, did I just watch.

I remember the same crowd did one for the Pats-Giants Superbowl game a couple years back. It was a load of literal Giants running around the field and people in Blue coats shooting them. They predicted that the Giants would win too though :P

BKWDR

Sherman going off on Crabtree after the game reminds me of this guy...