The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

Chucky the tree

Hazys wrote: »

Ngata has been imense this season so it is hard to argue against him.

But Wilfork is having a very good season, he'll prob be second team. Unfortunately there is no stat for the number of times "a DLineman gets double teamed but still causes enough disruption so another player can make an easy tackle". I dont think Ngata gets double teamed as much as Wilfork does.

I'd argue there's a few DT's who should be above Wilfork. Seymour has been excellent this year.

Hazys

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I think that's mainly down to the Colts line which have kept Manning upright. That and the fact he's been going for some few years (I think) and they probably want to keep the streak going.

If Brady keeps up the form he has currently he might go...or go to a golf tournament or something. :pac:

50/50 again. Splitting hairs here:

Pats Oline has allowed 14 sacks, Colts Oline 12 sacks.

Pats Oline has allowed 30 QB Hits, Colts Oline 32 QB Hits.

But the Pats Oline has been way better Run Blocking than the Colts averaging 4.2yrds a carry to 3.6yrds.


Pats Oline is very underrated and has been for years, their Oline has always been up there with the Colts'.

ReacherCreature

I'm all for stats Hazys but this is an issue that real fans can get but the Pro Bowl's a joke overall.

eagle eye

Meh, everybody talks about N'Gata and he is a beast in fairness. Vince Wilfork is having a great season but for me Ahtyba Rubin of the Browns is the best NT in the AFC right now. He was phenomenal against us and I watched him against the Jets as well and he had another stormer. He has the second most tackles of all defensive linemen in the NFL right now.

The Patriot that should be on that above any other is Jerod Mayo. He has been head and shoulders above everybody else at middle linebacker this season. To see Ray Lewis who isn't even in the top 5 in the AFC this year getting picked there just shows how much of a joke it is.

The other defensive player from the Patriots that should have been in contention is Pat Chung. He has been brilliant this year but he missed two games.

I don't know who you would pick off the OL, Light has been decent but had a few average outings, Mankins is only back, Koppen isn't the best in the world, Vollmer hasn't really improved this season and Stephen Neal has missed two games and got destroyed in the loss to Cleveland.

The Patriots are far more about team effort this season than individuals on the offensive side of the ball. Its like nobody is standing out except Brady and there is serious competition at the QB position. Rivers for me has been outstanding, and Manning getting picked there is just ridiculous.

mikemac

Pro Bowl is a joke, it's done on name recognition.

As a Ravens fan I'd agree with McClain in as AFC full back. And he has been in the Pro bowl before
Ngata is indeed a beast and will be going

However, Ed Reed is playing great football at the minute, 4 INT in 4 games is brilliant.
But he has missed close to half the season and is leading the voting as FS for the AFC?
Is voting done on current season form or what? I love the guy but don't think he should be in the pro bowl, I'm going against my team there

As for kicker.
Janikowski is one the highest profile kickers in the NFL. But I seem to remember him missing three kicks in one game including a potential game winner. It's all down to his fame and status.
Billy Cundiff leads the NFL in touchbacks and doing a fantastic job for the Ravens. But he isn't well known and probably won't get to the probowl

Also, Sam Koch for the Ravens has great stats as a punter (including throwing for a 1st down and tackling )but isn't high profile so won't be a probowler

Tbh, Tim Tebow will probably get selected, a popularity contest :rolleyes:

Edit, Michael Oher leading the voting as OT, another high profile player.
He is is a future star and moved to left tackle this season. But most Ravens would tell you he isn't having a great season and he commits a lot of penalties. And now the best OT in the AFC?
I've no issue going against my team when I think it's due.

There are underrated stars on the Ravens roster who won't go the Probowl and there are well known Ravens players who will but they are not near to the best in the AFC

Hazys

Viewing it clockwise, the team that comes first beat the team next to them who, in turn, beat the team next to them. It's not as confusing as it sounds. Look at the Steelers logo at the top. The Steelers beat the Falcons 15-9. The Falcons beat the Bucs 27-21. The Bucs beat the Browns 17-14. And so on and so forth.

neilster

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Ray Lewis joined the 30/30 club last night, 30 sacks and 30 interceptions, and he's 1.5 sacks away from being in the 40/30 club. Probably the best line backer I will ever see. Fair play to him.

here here ....the hunger the guy displays and always has and in fact his hunger for another ring continues to keep the Ravens relevant ....like the goal line stand last year

Peyton Manning

I've officially given in.

There's a Tim Tebow jersey currently en route with my name on it

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

I've officially given in.

There's a Tim Tebow jersey currently en route with my name on it

I hope you have a Florida tebow Jersey too. Otherwise, that's just wrong!!!

spiralism

Archimedes wrote: »

I've officially given in.

There's a Tim Tebow jersey currently en route with my name on it

Orange, Blue or White?:p

Peyton Manning

Very good video about Chris Henry here on CBS. Incredibly moving.

http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/videos/CdypPOxkRyMWxJjEkoxYqBr_XWjB6WQe

eagle eye

Belichick mic'd up versus the Colts. Really love this, a side you don't get to see of BB very often.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d81c62df7/Sound-FX-Bill-Belichick-miked

Oat23

The man who secretly filmed Erin Andrews in her hotel room was released from jail recently and hired by the New England Patriots.

hew hew

/runs for cover

:pac:

Neil3030

OK guys, following on from some overnight complaints, we're going to have to lock this thread while we review the arguments.

This thread will be re-opened asap.

Black Swan

Ref Blows Whistle!
(I hope that got the players attention)

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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/analyzing-the-five-new-candidates-for-canton/?ref=football

What you reckon of the candidates?

ReacherCreature

Oh Archimedes, you've changed your name? Talk about a massive man-crush.

Peyton Manning

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Oh Archimedes, you've changed your name? Talk about a massive man-crush.

I felt my old name didn't represent me. Archimedes was a big time Greek maths nerd. That's not me. I feel that this name now invokes my inner self. Like Tom Brady, I also like to win Superbowls on a regular occasion, and I too have grand plans to marry a Brazilian lingerie model. This suits me down to a T! :pac:

ReacherCreature

Tom_Brady wrote: »

I felt my old name didn't represent me. Archimedes was a big time Greek maths nerd. That's not me. I feel that this name now invokes my inner self. Like Tom Brady, I also like to win Superbowls on a regular occasion, and I too have grand plans to marry a Brazilian lingerie model. This suits me down to a T! :pac:

Isn't Archimedes the name of Merlin's owl or something?

You also have a cannon of an arm I'm guessing...?

Peyton Manning

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Isn't Archimedes the name of Merlin's owl or something?

You also have a cannon of an arm I'm guessing...?

I originally came up with it after watching a documentary on this guy, and in particular, his death ray. Pretty cool stuff!

As for the canon arm, that's what years and years of able access to pornography can do for you :pac:

Chucky the tree

Tom_Brady wrote: »

I originally came up with it after watching a documentary on this guy, and in particular, his death ray. Pretty cool stuff!

As for the canon arm, that's what years and years of able access to Tom Brady photos can do for you :pac:

FYP!

Peyton Manning

Chucky the tree wrote: »

FYP!

Never mind photos, just re-watching the Steelers, Colts and Lions games are enough to make me spaff my pants!

(Credit to our very own AF mod Frisbee for introducing me to that phrase )

davyjose

Tom_Brady wrote: »

I felt my old name didn't represent me. Archimedes was a big time Greek maths nerd. That's not me. I feel that this name now invokes my inner self. Like Tom Brady, I also like to win Superbowls on a regular occasion, and I too have grand plans to marry a Brazilian lingerie model. This suits me down to a T! :pac:

I'm your number 1 fan!!!

Peyton Manning

davyjose wrote: »

I'm your number 1 fan!!!

*shiver*

That ankle snap scene gets me every time.

eagle eye

Tom Brady on the Rich Eisen podcast. Also on it is Hank Azaria aka Mo and Chief Wigham on the Simpsons.

http://richeisen.nfl.com/2010/12/01/tom-brady-and-hank-azaria-a-most-interesting-podcast/

Hazys

eagle eye wrote: »

Tom Brady on the Rich Eisen podcast. Also on it is Hank Azaria aka Mo and Chief Wigham on the Simpsons.

http://richeisen.nfl.com/2010/12/01/tom-brady-and-hank-azaria-a-most-interesting-podcast/

I was just entering this thread to post the link also!

They also have the "Most Interesting Man in the World" on the show and when they punk the NFLUK.com podcast with a fake english accent is hilarious.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

I was just entering this thread to post the link also!

They also have the "Most Interesting Man in the World" on the show and when they punk the NFLUK.com podcast with a fake english accent is hilarious.

Yeah that ad is real funny. It was funny having him doing the intro, I knew it was him immediately. Its a great podcast every week too.

Peyton Manning

Interesting comparison between the 2007 Patriots Offence and today's Patriots Offence here from FootballOutsiders, who are known for their vast array of statistical measures. A quick crash course on this particular measure, DVOA:

Created by Aaron Schatz, the original Football Outsiders statistic is known as DVOA, which is an acronym for Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. . The statistic measures the success of a given play compared to the league-average level of success for that play given the situation at the time (score, time remaining, down and distance to go, location on the field, caliber of opponent, and so on). The formula is calculated using every play of the season, and provides rankings for teams, individual units (offense, defense, special teams), and individual players. Schatz updates the formula every offseason, keeping only the changes that improve DVOA's predictive ability.
A DVOA rating of 0% is equivalent to league average performance. An above-zero number represents an above-average offensive performance, and a below-zero number represents an above average defensive performance. Since the baseline for "league average performance" is calculated over multiple seasons, the aggregate DVOA for the NFL will not necessarily equal 0% for any given season.

Here's what they're saying about the Pats:

ow let us turn to the team ranked second overall, the New England Patriots. Not learning my lesson from the first paragraph above, I will now damn my personal favorite team by saying nice things about them. This week, the Patriots move ahead of the 2004 Colts as the second-best offense in DVOA history through Week 12. More astonishing is the fact that New England's current DVOA of 45.2% matches the 45.2% offensive DVOA that the record-setting 2007 Patriots put up over the entire season. Remember, the 2007 Patriots faded from otherworldly to merely very good over the second half of the season. If the current Patriots don't have a similar fade, they have a shot to rank as the greatest offense in DVOA history, despite trading a Hall of Fame receiver in midseason.

Tom Brady is now almost 300 DYAR -- and 15 percentage points of DVOA -- ahead of any other quarterback. Once again, as in 2009, Brady is playing even better than his standard stats would otherwise indicate because he's put up big numbers against a tough slate of defenses. The issue is not as much that the Patriots have played the best defenses in the league -- they've only played four games against top 10 defenses -- and more that their schedule is missing games where Brady could roll up big stats on bad defenses. Only one of the Patriots' 2010 opponents, Buffalo, ranks among the worst dozen pass defenses according to DVOA. And it is about to get worse -- the Pats' final five games include interconference matchups with the number two (Green Bay) and number four (Chicago) pass defenses in the league, plus this week's rematch with a Jets defense that a lot of people (including me) think is probably better than its current DVOA ranking of 15th.

Now some readers might be asking themselves, "Wait a minute... Didn't Football Outsiders write an Any Given Sunday column after the Patriots lost to the Browns, showing that the Patriots offense had struggled since the Randy Moss trade because it couldn't get the ball to Wes Welker or the tight ends?" Why yes, we did write that column -- and, in fact, Tom Brady was having trouble getting the ball to Welker and the tight ends for month after the Moss trade. But those struggles completely ended after the Browns loss, and the entire Patriots offense has been en fuego for the last three weeks. Welker is back to putting up a performance similar to the rest of his Patriots career. The tight ends have actually played better in the past three games than they did in the first four games. And since Week 10, Brandon Tate and Deion Branch have played far better than Tate and Randy Moss played back in September.

There are three good explanations for these numbers:

1) The Patriots needed a couple of weeks to get used to how the offense would work without Moss, and the Browns loss helped them straighten out what worked and didn't work.

2) The struggles throwing to Welker and the tight ends in the first four games without Moss were a small sample size fluke.

3) The great numbers that the offense has over the last three weeks are a small sample fluke, not the mediocre numbers in Weeks 6-9.

As long as the actual explanation is either number one or number two, the Patriots have to be considered favorites against the Jets on Monday night -- and a win there would virtually ensure the top seed, giving them an excellent chance to make their fifth Super Bowl in ten years.

Now, while the Pats are obviously not as explosive as they were in 2007, I do think that the definite higher standard of defences we're up against this year does make it a valid comparison. I know watching Brady go deep to Moss all the time was a thing of beauty, but I much prefer watching his more clinical, surgical approach of picking off the defence with shorter throws. Just thought this made for interesting reading is all.

Peyton Manning

Also, ROFL!

eagle eye

Unbelievable, Andre Johnson was mic'd up for the game last weekend. Lost in all that went on was that he is the first player to have 60 catches through his first 8 seasons. He is a fantastic player, and I loved what he did to Cortland Finnegan I have to admit. He deserved it and you will see here why.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d81c908d5/Sound-FX-In-Andre-Johnson-s-corner