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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

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    #9962
    TO.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    skippymac6 wrote: »
    Yeah and since Josh Gordon has come back he's just targetted him over and over. That's the first thing that they have to sort out

    Id say he is now trying build rapport with his best WR. When you figure the last couple of games is probably the first real time he has gotten to throw to Gordon.

    For me Hoyer has done fantastically considering he was nothing more than a bench warmer for the Pats. He is playing on a tough team and as it was pointed out he marched on without Cameron and Gordon for most of the season. Their ground isnt exactly stellar either.

    I do think the Hoyer should see out the season but you know they will let him go in the off season. Hoyer will easily find a home next season and get paid and I hope he does.


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    #9963
    JaMarcusHustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    I'd like to think Hoyer will be a success, but as impressive as he was for the first few games, he's been pretty horrendous the past 4 or 5 with a stint of average in between those 2 stretches.

    Unfortunately I just can't see him as anything other than a high end backup QB long term. I don't think he'll ever be a teams franchise QB.


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    #9964
    TO.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    JaMarcusHustle wrote: »
    I'd like to think Hoyer will be a success, but as impressive as he was for the first few games, he's been pretty horrendous the past 4 or 5 with a stint of average in between those 2 stretches.

    Unfortunately I just can't see him as anything other than a high end backup QB long term. I don't think he'll ever be a teams franchise QB.

    Way I see it we wont learn his true faith with the Browns. Someone else will pick him up and give him a shot. It will depend on the system and the team around him on how he grows. Although I think he has done fantastically so far even with the bad performances I still think he has some growing to do.


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    #9965
    skippymac6
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭skippymac6


    TO. wrote: »
    Way I see it we wont learn his true faith with the Browns. Someone else will pick him up and give him a shot. It will depend on the system and the team around him on how he grows. Although I think he has done fantastically so far even with the bad performances I still think he has some growing to do.

    To be fair to the guy he hasn't started a massive amount of games but I do think his overall record as browns starter of something like 10-5 if overplayed. As I stated before, he was good in probably four games this year and then very very average in the rest with a few absolute clangers thrown in. I don't think he'll ever be a consistent starter more like a Matt Cassel or Matt Flynn that can flourish in a small sample of games but long term he's just not the answer. I do agree that his supporting cast has been poor though, especially that defence should have been better and left him less to do in some games


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    #9966
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/B0EB84695B1151750394037362688_32e1a4ea651.1.1.13956129012653154527.mp4?versionId=4GbNH05gLXyJAZyZDQJlMlOWK8dA33H_

    “All I know is, you mess with me you got problems, that’s all I know”


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    #9967
    Shedite27
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    #9968
    skippymac6
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭skippymac6


    TO. wrote: »
    Mad to think this:

    Browns have used 20 different starting QBs since team returned to CLEV in 1999, most in NFL in that time. Hoyer is only 1 w/ winning record. - As per Adam Schefter on Twitter.

    Watch them go and bench Hoyer for Manziel though. Just watch.

    Seems as though Pettine was double bluffing everyone. Hoyer starts again this week.

    Probably the sensible option as if Manziel started and struggled then he'd be having to build up Hoyer all over again. If he struggles in this one he's gone though. It will be interesting to see if Vontae Davis starts as he could be a serious thorn in Hoyer's side, he's been excellent this year.


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    #9969
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    For all you JJ Watt fanboys* out there:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V032W3IbrA


    *I think that's everybody


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    #9970
    Paully D
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    Ngata suspended 4 games for violating the PED policy. I see he did the "I took Adderall" spiel, no you didn't Haloti. :rolleyes: I really wish the league would just come out and tell us what these players have tested positive for.

    He may have played his last game as a Raven now given his contract situation. Another terrible year if Baltimore miss the playoffs given everything that has gone on.


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    #9971
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    He was having his best season in 3 years and playing like a probowler.

    Guess this may partly explain it.

    Yet another reason for the Ravens to be laughed at :mad:


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    #9972
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    From Over the Cap:
    Being suspended in the NFL is never a good thing, but for Haloti Ngata the costs will prove to be exceptional. Per the NFL’s CBA a player suspended under the drug policies will not only lose his game checks for time missed but will also forfeit the proportionate amount of his signing bonus for that season. For a player operating under a contract with a $25 million signing bonus that is going to be a significant number.

    Ngata’s base salary for the season was $8.5 million. He will now lose $2 million in base salary. He will also forfeit $1,176,471 of his bonus money, leaving him $3.176 million lighter in the pocket for just a four game suspension. That is certainly not a number to sneeze at and illustrates the big dollars at stake for star players when suspended.

    The Ravens will earn a $2 million cap credit immediately for 2014 and the balance will be applied to their 2015 cap totals.


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    #9973
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    The Jets should inquire about this guy, instant upgrade over Geno and Vick


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    #9974
    JaMarcusHustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Apparently Chip Kelly was asked today why he wasn't interested in the Florida HC job and he answered that he didn't think his pro style offence would work in college football :D

    Nice dig at the analysts who buried him before he start! And I have to admit, I was one of those who doubted he'd make it work too! :o


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    #9975
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Only mentioning this because it was on the front page of ESPN, it just highlights the state sports journalism:
    J.J. Watt has played tight end for probably less than 30 seconds this season. Three plays. Three routes. Three touchdown catches. Not a very large sample size. But I've seen enough to know that if the Houston Texans All-Pro defensive end ever wanted to switch to the other side of the ball and go back to his original position of tight end, he would never be as good as, say, the Patriots Rob Gronkowski.

    He'd be better. Much, much better.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11978067/jj-watt-houston-texans-defensive-end-one-nfl-best-tight-ends


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    #9976
    Pudsy33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    That's.....that's not serious?


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    #9977
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Hazys wrote: »
    Only mentioning this because it was on the front page of ESPN, it just highlights the state sports journalism:



    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11978067/jj-watt-houston-texans-defensive-end-one-nfl-best-tight-ends
    Huh. It wasn't even written by Skip Bayless.

    Huh.


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    #9978
    TO.
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    Hazys wrote: »
    Only mentioning this because it was on the front page of ESPN, it just highlights the state sports journalism:



    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11978067/jj-watt-houston-texans-defensive-end-one-nfl-best-tight-ends

    Not that I agree with the article by any means but it would be interesting to see JJ Watt play as a TE. He did play there in HS as well as DE and Central Michigan did take him as a TE before he moved to Sconnie where he ended up as a DE. I actually think though if you were to move him completely to TE there is a possibility he could be a solid TE in the NFL.


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    #9979
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,395 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    TO. wrote: »
    Not that I agree with the article by any means but it would be interesting to see JJ Watt play as a TE. He did play there in HS as well as DE and Central Michigan did take him as a TE before he moved to Sconnie where he ended up as a DE. I actually think though if you were to move him completely to TE there is a possibility he could be a solid TE in the NFL.
    The year Troy Brown played defence and offence, does anyone remember roughly how many snaps he played on each? Madness to think someone could play both sides of the ball in the pro game, but even if JJ could play all defensive snaps and 30% of offence snaps he'd be a serious weapon. Even as a decoy TE he's gonna attract a lot of attention.


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    #9980
    nerd69
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    The year Troy Brown played defence and offence, does anyone remember roughly how many snaps he played on each? Madness to think someone could play both sides of the ball in the pro game, but even if JJ could play all defensive snaps and 30% of offence snaps he'd be a serious weapon. Even as a decoy TE he's gonna attract a lot of attention.

    its not viable even as a decoy he's going to be getting contact/ running so it increases the chance of injury massively and it means he's wrecked on defence


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    #9981
    TO.
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    Shedite27 wrote: »
    The year Troy Brown played defence and offence, does anyone remember roughly how many snaps he played on each? Madness to think someone could play both sides of the ball in the pro game, but even if JJ could play all defensive snaps and 30% of offence snaps he'd be a serious weapon. Even as a decoy TE he's gonna attract a lot of attention.

    I can't see the Texans doing that as Watt is a vital key to their defense. Troy Brown as a WR didn't see the same type of impact as Watt so it was easier to turn him into a utility player. He did a great job for the Pats but no where near ass effective as Watt. Texans wont risk Watt like that.


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    #9982
    UnitedIrishman
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    Trent Richardson said he'll jump into the Dawg Pound if he scores a TD against the Browns. Donte Whitner replies: "How many times did he actually jump into Dawg Pound when he was here?"


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    #9983
    Billy86
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    UnitedIrishman wrote: »
    Trent Richardson said he'll jump into the Dawg Pound if he scores a TD against the Browns. Donte Whitner replies: "How many times did he actually jump into Dawg Pound when he was here?"
    It would be a better comeback if he didn't score 12 touchdowns as a rookie. :pac:

    Don't get me wrong, he's still not a good RB but still...


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    #9984
    phatkev
    Registered Users Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Brandon Marshall suffered two broken ribs and a collapsed lung last night, rough day at the office!


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    #9985
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    phatkev wrote: »
    Brandon Marshall suffered two broken ribs and a collapsed lung last night, rough day at the office!

    Says something about the violence of the sport when my first thought was: could have been worse..

    I thought it was a kidney bleed when I saw the knee making contact on the replay and the heart monitor in the ambulance. Which, obviously, would have been much, much worse.


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    #9986
    phatkev
    Registered Users Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Impressive!
    Screenshot2014-12-06at180555.png


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    #9987
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    Paully D wrote: »
    Ngata suspended 4 games for violating the PED policy. I see he did the "I took Adderall" spiel, no you didn't Haloti. :rolleyes: I really wish the league would just come out and tell us what these players have tested positive for.

    He may have played his last game as a Raven now given his contract situation. Another terrible year if Baltimore miss the playoffs given everything that has gone on.

    The league has a policy now that they will dispute a players statement about what they tested positive for if they're lying. In this case Haloti said he took Adderall and the league didn't dispute so he's telling the truth.
    I know he had a big year but he's still not worth 16m in cap space for next year.


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    #9988
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The league has a policy now that they will dispute a players statement about what they tested positive for if they're lying. In this case Haloti said he took Adderall and the league didn't dispute so he's telling the truth.
    I know he had a big year but he's still not worth 16m in cap space for next year.

    As far as I know, it's that they "can" dispute it, not necessarily that they will.

    I wouldn't be surprised if by Ngata not appealing, the league have decided to leave it alone.


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    #9989
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The league has a policy now that they will dispute a players statement about what they tested positive for if they're lying. In this case Haloti said he took Adderall and the league didn't dispute so he's telling the truth.
    I know he had a big year but he's still not worth 16m in cap space for next year.

    Cant they dispute it but not disclose what they tested for! So completely pointless


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    #9990
    Hazys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    The Rams sent out the 6 players they got in return for the RGIII trade for the coin toss against the Redskins...sneaky

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/07/rams-tweak-washington-with-captain-choices/


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    #9991
    poldebruin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭poldebruin


    Pretty sure this isn't wild, wacky or awesome, but Cam Newton was in a major car wreck and was taken to hospital in n ambulance. Hope he and everyone else are ok.

    https://twitter.com/DianneG/status/542376150954414080/photo/1


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