supporting England @ world cup

Lord Trollington

Ush1 wrote: »

Well, style of football is dictated by the domestic league. It's no coincidence that the Serie A and Italian national team are historically branded as defensive, most of there league is made up of Italians. Likewise the English league being "physical" and the idea of the traditional English centre foward, hence Emile Heskey starting for England NT. There is massive link between domestic leagues and the national team.

How do you explain Brazil, all there players are playing in foreign leagues?

fkt

whycliff wrote: »

This of everything English:

Martin Johnson.
Lawerence Dallaglio
John Terry
Joe Cole
Shrek (Wayne Rooney)
The Rag that is The Sun
Magie Tatcher
Cockney rhyming slang


Not a chance, now that Ireland are no longer invloved the only interest i will have in the World Cup is England and watching them fail miserably..which they inevitably do.
Seen them playing the Brazil B team there recently and tehy tore them apart,should and could have been 5-0.
Great satisfaction.

It was the English B team, just so you know. Brazil had a relatively strong team out.

fkt

Gavin shels wrote: »

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Manchester United
Liverpool FC
Arsenal FC
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You're so witty. Have us all in stitches. Well in.

stovelid

Gavin shels wrote: »

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Manchester United
Liverpool FC
Arsenal FC
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Swift had it nailed down: Burn all that's British except for their coal teams..

newballsplease

MagicMarker wrote: »

I wanted Liverpool to win in the Champions League final in '05.

I'm a utd supporter.

not a real one......:mad:

Lord Trollington

It is ok to hate other countries by the way, The Polish hate the Germans, The English Hate the Germans,The Germans hate the English.
The Latvians hate the Lithuanians and vice versa.
Why is it that when I or someone else who is Irish state they hate the English, we're accused of living in the past and all this crap?
I've nothing against the English people as a whole, i just enjoy immensely seeing there sports stars fail

Julez

Yeah, I'd like to see them do well only they wouldn't stop going on about it forever.

newballsplease

Ive nothing angainst the English Team itself...I just dont want them to win because of their scum fans and stupid media.

Paul Tergat

Ush1 wrote: »

Well, style of football is dictated by the domestic league. It's no coincidence that the Serie A and Italian national team are historically branded as defensive, most of there league is made up of Italians. Likewise the English league being "physical" and the idea of the traditional English centre foward, hence Emile Heskey starting for England NT. There is massive link between domestic leagues and the national team.

Ì am in no way talking about style of football. Its completely irrelevant when talking about having to support England because you support a team from the English league.


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didnt take long for this thread to turn to ****.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Haha the English like to see us do well but the feeling is never mutual. How many people here like watching English football?

Although I'd prefer not to hear a chorus of "Rule Britannia".

Jazzy

yeah i have a few friends from there and its always been a nice place to visit. want gerrard to win it too + im going to put a sly bet on them. i think with capello there they are going to be very competitive. semi-finals at least

Ush1

fkt wrote: »

I can't stand the FA, the referee's assosiation, cockney press etc., but I still support Liverpool.

You don't choose who you support.

So who chose who you support? Unless you're from Liverpool or somehow "forced" to support them.

Ush1

whycliff wrote: »

How do you explain Brazil, all there players are playing in foreign leagues?

They learned to play in Brazil and in their domestic league, they were good players before they left.

Ush1

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Ì am in no way talking about style of football. Its completely irrelevant when talking about having to support England because you support a team from the English league.


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didnt take long for this thread to turn to ****.

I never said have to support England, I said a preference for English football, not irrelevant.

MagicMarker

whycliff wrote: »

Think of everything that is English:

Martin Johnson.
Lawerence Dallaglio
John Terry
Joe Cole
Shrek (Wayne Rooney)
The Rag that is The Sun
Magie Tatcher
Cockney rhyming slang
The Queen
Their Anthem "God Save the Queen"
Big Ears

Not a chance, now that Ireland are no longer invloved the only interest i will have in the World Cup is England and watching them fail miserably..which they inevitably do.
Seen them playing the Brazil B team there recently and tehy tore them apart,should and could have been 5-0.
Great satisfaction.

You do realise England only had about 2 first choice players in the starting 11? And Brazil fielded a very strong 11? But of course you happily ignore that. Plus England were the better team for a good part of the game.

You obviously just saw what you wanted to see. You don't own this by any chance?

MagicMarker

newballsplease wrote: »

not a real one......:mad:

Cry me a river.

chiefwiggum

yeah i think i'd like them to win it..alright their media will live on it for the next 50 years but our supported club teams are english(mainly) so we know the players..its time to forget the anyone but england thing....its now anyone but FRANCE lol... number 2 to 11 are probably the best team man for man at the moment...gk is a prob though for them.. maybe paul robinson should get another chance

grenache

chiefwiggum wrote: »

yeah i think i'd like them to win it..alright their media will live on it for the next 50 years but our supported club teams are english(mainly) so we know the players..its time to forget the anyone but england thing....its now anyone but FRANCE lol... number 2 to 11 are probably the best team man for man at the moment...gk is a prob though for them.. maybe paul robinson should get another chance

i agree with your sentiments and i will be happy to see England do well in the competition. It would be nice to see a different nation win it rather than the same old France, Brazil or Italian victory. Robinson no way though, he's been good of late for Blackburn but is prone to making the most elimentary of errors! Ditto David James. I'd stick with Green as the number 1.

Bubs101

whycliff wrote: »

Think of everything that is English:

Martin Johnson.
Lawerence Dallaglio
John Terry
Joe Cole
Shrek (Wayne Rooney)
The Rag that is The Sun
Magie Tatcher
Cockney rhyming slang
The Queen
Their Anthem "God Save the Queen"
Big Ears

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Leaving out the amount of positive things they have done in the past including inventing the game and what in gods name could you have against Joe Cole

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Bubs101 wrote: »

Leaving out the amount of positive things they have done in the past including inventing the game and what in gods name could you have against Joe Cole

He's a snake, started his career at West Ham, then he went and joined Chelsea.

OPENROAD

I really don't buy this whole "media" argument as a reason. I even have heard people say well their commentators are too one sided during matches as a reason, I take it no one was watching RTE for the French match then.

Our media are just the same when it comes to football or rugby.


Would have loved to see Sir Bobby win it for them back in 1990.

Son Of A Vidic

I remember the 2002 World cup when I was living in London, it amazed me the amount of pubs that were flying the Irish flag outside with the English flag. I found that most of the English would automatically support the Ireland team, which is pretty decent. We however are not as generous, a lot of people need to get over the inferiority complex. I personally just can't stomach the old aggressive imperialistic chants of 'Rule Britannia' and the like etc. Their media is another reason for turning one's stomach, they seemed to be perpetually amazed as to why they don't win it. Bear in mind their only victory in 1966, was a home town decision where the Germans were controversially robbed.

CHD

Mira Eager Hitchhiker wrote: »

He's a snake, started his career at West Ham, then he went and joined Chelsea.

You mean because he wanted to compete at the top level he is a snake? Grow up will you.

Bandit12

I hope they loose all three group games and Capello gets dressed in the front of some seedy tabloid in a turnip suit. Argentina all the way in South Africa for me.:)

DoireNod

whycliff wrote: »

How do you explain Brazil, all there players are playing in foreign leagues?

Maybe now, but a fair few still play in Brazil.

Sure look at the great Brazil teams.

Garrincha, Pelé, Jairzinho, Zico and Carlos Alberto spent most if not all of their careers in Brazil.

nullzero

As much sense as it should make to want one of our closest neighbours to win it I just cant bring myself to agree.
Not because of the people of England, or the players, but the media. You'd just never hear the end of it. It might sound childish but the thoughts of the media reaction turns my stomach to the extent that I don't ever want to see them win it.

OPENROAD

Can people expand on the media thing, because I don't understand that, as I said the Irish media are the same with Irish teams, is it because it would get wide coverage (rightly so) in the UK media and as we get the UK media their would be a jeaslousy element that England have won and we have not.

Bandit12

If they won it (and they have a good outside chance) we would never hear the end of it. I can see it now. 24hr 7 days a week coverage on Sky news about Engerlands glorious triumph in South Africa. I would be forced to go live on a deserted island for a period no less than 5 years.

GLaDOS

Bandit12 wrote: »

If they won it (and they have a good outside chance) we would never hear the end of it. I can see it now. 24hr 7 days a week coverage on Sky news about Engerlands glorious triumph in South Africa. I would be forced to go live on a deserted island for a period no less than 5 years.

Or you could not watch sky news..

I hope they don't win it for the simple fact that SSN and most of the papers will be harping on about it for a good year.

Tbh, I think they have fcuk all chance of winning it.

I do find it amusing though the way the english media build them up as potential winners of every tournament.

joe123

Il do as I always do. Support them up to around the quarter finals. The only reason I dont want to see them winning the thing is because of their media. Much like dublin in the GAA the media just NEVER shut up about them.

Although im looking forward to seeing France getting a hammering this year. If it was an England France final Id be shouting on England all day long.

Mr.Nice Guy

Why would any fan - never mind a fan of Ireland - want such an ungracious bunch of sore losers to experience the ultimate joy in football?

As a United fan I know all too well how they have made scapegoats out of their own players when their team has crumbled collectively as a unit under the weight of ridiculous expectation. Look at the targets that have met the wrath of their deluded media - Southgate, Beckham (the abuse he and his wife got was unbelievably disgraceful), Rooney, Ronaldo (wow he winked let's crucify him). How about that referee after Euro 2004 I think?

I haven't even got into the managers which would take even longer.

Just picture the day before England versus Germany in the 2010 Final. You'd have The Sun printing a front page feature with Churchill and a cigar emblazoned "This Will Be Our Finest Hour".

No f*cking thanks.

I also don't buy into this "They would wish us well" malarkey. I've read plenty of comments from England fans rubbing it in that we missed out in the cruel manner in which we did. "Get over it, enjoy it on TV" etc. I will root for them if they play France but that is it. I would rather see Spain or Australia do well.

flahavaj

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Why would any fan - never mind a fan of Ireland - want such an ungracious bunch of sore losers to experience the ultimate joy in football?

As a United fan I know all too well how they have made scapegoats out of their own players when their team has crumbled collectively as a unit under the weight of ridiculous expectation. Look at the targets that have met the wrath of their deluded media - Southgate, Beckham (the abuse he and his wife got was unbelievably disgraceful), Rooney, Ronaldo (wow he winked let's crucify him). How about that referee after Euro 2004 I think?

I haven't even got into the managers which would take even longer.

Just picture the day before England versus Germany in the 2010 Final. You'd have The Sun printing a front page feature with Churchill and a cigar emblazoned "This Will Be Our Finest Hour".

No f*cking thanks.

I also don't buy into this "They would wish us well" malarkey. I've read plenty of comments from England fans rubbing it in that we missed out in the cruel manner in which we did. "Get over it, enjoy it on TV" etc. I will root for them if they play France but that is it. I would rather see Spain or Australia do well.

Exactly, f*ck al this touchy feely "wish them well" boll*x.

I'll laugh loud and hard when they inevitably fail.

OPENROAD

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I also don't buy into this "They would wish us well" malarkey. I've read plenty of comments from England fans rubbing it in that we missed out in the cruel manner in which we did. "Get over it, enjoy it on TV" etc. I will root for them if they play France but that is it. I would rather see Spain or Australia do well.

Possibly after years of us rubbing it into them they are getting their own back.

bUILDERtHEbOB

I hope they go out to an Henry hand ball, would be interesting to see the reaction.

OPENROAD

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

I hope they go out to an Henry hand ball, would be interesting to see the reaction.

You still won't see it brought up in the Houses of parliament like we did here

Smegball

Don't mind either way tbh, only reason I would go against them is the crazy media hype.

I'd prefer Holland to win or Brazil.

But I will however be supporting this man

Iang87

I voted yes simply because they've some great players that i think deserve it.

I'd love to see the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry with world cup medals simply cos i think they're absolutely amazing. However my yes could turn to a no if Rio is there just cos i think he's ridiculously overrated and the media ram rio down your throat even though terry is ten times the player he is

MagicMarker

Iang87 wrote: »

I voted yes simply because they've some great players that i think deserve it.

I'd love to see the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry with world cup medals simply cos i think they're absolutely amazing. However my yes could turn to a no if Rio is there just cos i think he's ridiculously overrated and the media ram rio down your throat even though terry is ten times the player he is

Chelsea fan?

Made me lol.

Bandit12

Lol at anyone who will support Engerland because Rooney,Gerrard,Terry whoever play for them. I'll be hoping to see Stevie G crying like a baby when they get knocked out when they meet the first decent side they play.:pac:

Fratton Fred

mars bar wrote: »

Having an English birth cert, I wouldn't mind too much. After all, they gave my mother much better after birth service when compared to the Irish one after my sister was born!

It wouldn't bother me really...

err, the care you receive after having a baby is called post natal care...after birth is something completely different:D

fkt wrote: »

Can you imagine having to listen to the English Cockney media, SSN or Richard keys if they win?

I absolutely despise London FC and one of the highlights of 2010 is going to be them getting kocked out.

so if England win the world cup, you will be tied to a television set and forced to watch English TV?

whycliff wrote: »

Think of everything that is English:

Martin Johnson.
Lawerence Dallaglio
John Terry
Joe Cole
Shrek (Wayne Rooney)
The Rag that is The Sun
Magie Tatcher
Cockney rhyming slang
The Queen
Their Anthem "God Save the Queen"
Big Ears

Not a chance, now that Ireland are no longer invloved the only interest i will have in the World Cup is England and watching them fail miserably..which they inevitably do.
Seen them playing the Brazil B team there recently and tehy tore them apart,should and could have been 5-0.
Great satisfaction.

and that, Gentlemen, proves OPENROAD's point above.

newballsplease wrote: »

Ive nothing angainst the English Team itself...I just dont want them to win because of their scum fans and stupid media.

I'm not Scum and I know lots of other England fans, several of whom post of here, that are not scum as well.

Maybe if England get into the semi finals even though they only manage to score one goal, I wonder if the BBC will release a ten year commemorative DVD, or maybe sky will show reruns of an old game to celebrate 25 years of beating a very poor German side 1-0.

Or maybe our media isn't that ****ing pathetic after all.

I love all the excuses for not wanting England to win. it has nothing to do with the media, or the fans or the style of football, those people who are looking forward to England failing are just suffering from small man syndrome.

Mr.Nice Guy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Maybe if England get into the semi finals even though they only manage to score one goal, I wonder if the BBC will release a ten year commemorative DVD, or maybe sky will show reruns of an old game to celebrate 25 years of beating a very poor German side 1-0.

Or maybe our media isn't that ****ing pathetic after all.

I love all the excuses for not wanting England to win. it has nothing to do with the media, or the fans or the style of football, those people who are looking forward to England failing are just suffering from small man syndrome.

LOL. Climb down off that high horse. Are we supposed to believe if Germany, Argentina, or Scotland were playing that the English nation would come together to a man by rooting them all on in the spirit of goodwill? Do me a favour. Is that small man syndrome too I wonder? Or is it 'not wanting your rivals to do well' syndrome?

If you want to see how pathetic your media is just go watch Wimbledon in the summer and listen to the drooling over Andy Murray.

When it comes to media sycophancy, England can't be beat.

Fratton Fred

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

LOL. Climb down off that high horse. Are we supposed to believe if Germany, Argentina, or Scotland were playing that the English nation would come together to a man by rooting them all on in the spirit of goodwill? Do me a favour. Is that small man syndrome too I wonder? Or is it 'not wanting your rivals to do well' syndrome?

If you want to see how pathetic your media is just go watch Wimbledon in the summer and listen to the drooling over Andy Murray.

When it comes to media sycophancy, England can't be beat.

The majority of people in England couldn't give a monkey's chuff about any of those teams you mentioned. There would be very few people wanting them to either win or lose.

the media is pathetic, but just as pathetic as the Irish media is. Maybe you could give us some idea what the French, Italian or German media is like? or is it that you don't share a language with them and therefore don't watch their media?

Iang87

MagicMarker wrote: »

Chelsea fan?

Made me lol.

truly hilarious. Liverpool fan. Take it you're a united fan

MagicMarker

Iang87 wrote: »

truly hilarious. Liverpool fan. Take it you're a united fan

Yep, and an England fan, and I'd have Rio over Terry any day.

To say Terry is 10 times the player Rio is is utterly ridiculous.

Iang87

fair enough thats merely matter of opinion. I was a bit drastic with the ten times but i'd prefer Terry.

I guess i have a grudge against Rio cos when Carra and Terry were the undisputed best two in England around 04, 05 and 06 Rio was still gettin picked ahead of Carra at Centre back

Mr.Nice Guy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The majority of people in England couldn't give a monkey's chuff about any of those teams you mentioned. There would be very few people wanting them to either win or lose.

the media is pathetic, but just as pathetic as the Irish media is. Maybe you could give us some idea what the French, Italian or German media is like? or is it that you don't share a language with them and therefore don't watch their media?

The majority of people in England might not care but we both know the majority of England FANS would care very much and would love to see Argentina, Germany and Scotland get stuffed by whoever they were playing. Just like the majority of Irish fans want to see England get stuffed.

As for the media issue, I don't think the Irish media is as bad as the English media to be honest, though I'd have no love for either, but the English media is legendary when it comes to scraping the barrel.

Bubs101

Fratton Fred wrote: »

the media is pathetic, but just as pathetic as the Irish media is. Maybe you could give us some idea what the French, Italian or German media is like? or is it that you don't share a language with them and therefore don't watch their media?

I wasn't there in a World Cup or Euro year but I lived in italy at the tail end of a Serie A campaign and the year AC won the CL and all I can say is if anything they're worse when it comes to the media in sports. There are 3 sports based papers each with their own bias and no pictures of Keeley hazel, all give their own views on everything (the worst probably being the rating of referees) and the demand for the game was so much so that the Under 21 championships/Olympic Qualification tournament was on national TV and then on Thursday night they replayed every game in Italy's World Cup win the year before

Mars Bar

Fratton Fred wrote: »

err, the care you receive after having a baby is called post natal care...after birth is something completely different:D

And I am one of "the wimmin" species as ye like to call it!

Shame on me.

Fratton Fred

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The majority of people in England might not care but we both know the majority of England FANS would care very much and would love to see Argentina, Germany and Scotland get stuffed by whoever they were playing. Just like the majority of Irish fans want to see England get stuffed.

you obviously know something i don't. Beating Germany or Argentina would be important, but more for footballing reasons than anything else. they are our peers.

There may be a degree of schadenfreude in watching bitter scotsmen crying into their tennants, but seeing Scotland lose isn't exactly an uncommon event is it?

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

As for the media issue, I don't think the Irish media is as bad as the English media to be honest, though I'd have no love for either, but the English media is legendary when it comes to scraping the barrel.

The Englsih media ia a pain in the arse, but it is the "English" media. An Irishman who finds it offensive should really stick to RTE tbh.