FG Proposals on Public Pay

ei.sdraob

Dickerty wrote: »

So you are an experienced, dedicated and hard working civil servant, and you are on 100K, and suddenly you are down to maybe 90K? Is the idea to try and scare these people out to the private sector?

where they will get paid more and have better job security

zootroid

Dickerty wrote: »

Those earning between €30,000 and €40,000 would have their pay reduced by 5 per cent on earnings above €30,000, while those earning between €40,000 and €100,000 would have theirs reduced by 10 per cent. Anyone earning more than €100,000 would have a 20 per cent cut.

So you are an experienced, dedicated and hard working civil servant, and you are on 100K, and suddenly you are down to maybe 90K? Is the idea to try and scare these people out to the private sector?

No, if you are earning €100k, you will be down to €93.5k

And are the people in the private sector any less "experienced, dedicated and hard working"?

The simple fact is the country cannot afford to pay the public sector at the current levels anymore, and the pay bill must be reduced. I don't understand why some members of the public sector simply don't get this.

nesf

ardmacha wrote: »

Also are these real cuts and not jiggery pokery levy type cuts where a person working on €x gets cut and the pensioner on €x doesn't.

Real cuts as far as I can make out so they'd equate to a 2.5% cut on all pension income over 15K a year and so on.

thebman

Cuchulain wrote: »

Of course they are in a position of strength. They can hold the country to ransom under the treat of strike :rolleyes:

frman wrote: »

Also, how long do you think members can stay out on strike for before they miss their pay-packets. It wouldn't take long before pickets are crossed when bills are mounting up.


The threat of strike is not as powerful as they might think.

^This, after about a week, most would be freaking out about making the next mortgage payment. Its the problem with getting up to your eyeballs in debt.

Count Dooku

Dickerty wrote: »

Those earning between €30,000 and €40,000 would have their pay reduced by 5 per cent on earnings above €30,000, while those earning between €40,000 and €100,000 would have theirs reduced by 10 per cent. Anyone earning more than €100,000 would have a 20 per cent cut.

So you are an experienced, dedicated and hard working civil servant, and you are on 100K, and suddenly you are down to maybe 90K? Is the idea to try and scare these people out to the private sector?

It will good for him and country, nobody will lose
1) Taxpayers will save 100K
2) When he will move into private sector, he will start pay taxes himself
3) He will bring his experience into private sector, it will make private sector more competitive
4) public sector will not lose much of his expertise, because a lot of people in his department knew what he was doing and will be able to replace him as they did when he was on holidays
5) biggest problem in public sector is stagnation of workforce, due age profile. It means that people are waiting for new positions for years. It will solve stagnation problem as well, because somebody will replace him unofficially and when everything will be recovered, all those positions will be filled by young energetic people, which will know what to do
6) PS bashers brigade will get one more well informed member:D

zootroid

Analysis of FG's proposals from Jim Power:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/jim-power-fine-gaels-plan-leaves-gilmore-looking-laboured-1965248.html

It's hard to disagree with him.....